Hi Aurélien,
A few people on the WG asked me to contact you to opt-in the desktop@ list for migration to Mailman3/Hyperkitty. Would you like this filed as a ticket somewhere for your records, or do you handle it ad-hoc?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Aurélien,
A few people on the WG asked me to contact you to opt-in the desktop@ list for migration to Mailman3/Hyperkitty. Would you like this filed as a ticket somewhere for your records, or do you handle it ad-hoc?
I thought hyperkitty deployment was deferred because there was some functionality that certain lists used that wasn't implemented in MM3?
josh
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On 10/28/2015 11:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Aurélien,
A few people on the WG asked me to contact you to opt-in the desktop@ list for migration to Mailman3/Hyperkitty. Would you like this filed as a ticket somewhere for your records, or do you handle it ad-hoc?
I thought hyperkitty deployment was deferred because there was some functionality that certain lists used that wasn't implemented in MM3?
Wide migration has been deferred, but if individual lists that aren't using the "topics" feature want to move, I can't imagine that would be a problem.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:07:35AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
A few people on the WG asked me to contact you to opt-in the desktop@ list for migration to Mailman3/Hyperkitty. Would you like this filed as a ticket somewhere for your records, or do you handle it ad-hoc?
Might this be an opportunity to also migrate the Workstation WG to a separate "workstation" list? I think keeping the existing list made sense when there was the possibility the that Workstation edition might actually include several different desktop technologies, and might even have had a different name or branding. But now, it seems mostly confusing (both because people end up in the wrong place, and because it muddles the message).
If everyone else thinks it's working fine and that that'd be unnecessary confusion, no problem. But it seems like this'd be a decent time to do it if there's to be a change. (For what it's worth, we renamed the former advisory-board list twice with no negative consequences that I can see.)
On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 17:08 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
If everyone else thinks it's working fine and that that'd be unnecessary confusion, no problem. But it seems like this'd be a decent time to do it if there's to be a change.
No objection. I think it's also time to merge #fedora-desktop (GIMPNet) and #fedora-workstation (freenode) on IRC.
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On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 17:08 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
If everyone else thinks it's working fine and that that'd be unnecessary confusion, no problem. But it seems like this'd be a decent time to do it if there's to be a change.
No objection. I think it's also time to merge #fedora-desktop (GIMPNet) and #fedora-workstation (freenode) on IRC.
Given the reason why those 2 exist, I don't think we'll be merging them.
We already had that discussion when creating the #fedora-workstation channel on freenode.
On Thu, 2015-10-29 at 06:38 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Given the reason why those 2 exist, I don't think we'll be merging them.
We already had that discussion when creating the #fedora-workstation channel on freenode.
What is the reason why those two exist?
They're to me they're almost identical channels, and I have way too many tabs open in Empathy, so I've started hanging out in #fedora -workstation only. Well, #fedora-desktop tends to have more GNOME development discussion, but everything that happens there could really happen in #gnome-hackers or #fedora-workstation instead....
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On Thu, 2015-10-29 at 06:38 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Given the reason why those 2 exist, I don't think we'll be merging them.
We already had that discussion when creating the #fedora-workstation channel on freenode.
What is the reason why those two exist?
They're to me they're almost identical channels, and I have way too many tabs open in Empathy, so I've started hanging out in #fedora -workstation only. Well, #fedora-desktop tends to have more GNOME development discussion, but everything that happens there could really happen in #gnome-hackers or #fedora-workstation instead....
I'll quote from David Zeuthen's 7 year old mail: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-September/msg00018.h...
" I think the question of why #fedora-desktop is on gimpnet has come up before so I'll try to repeat what I think the reason was: it's more important to stay close to the upstream channels; it does happen, rather frequently in fact, that people from other GNOME distros pop into #fedora-desktop to ask questions or that people working on Fedora desktop summon people to #fedora-desktop. We'd lose part of that synergy if we were on freenode. "
It was also discussed in this thread: https://lists.stg.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.stg.fedorapr...
Hi,
Might this be an opportunity to also migrate the Workstation WG to a separate "workstation" list? I think keeping the existing list made sense when there was the possibility the that Workstation edition might actually include several different desktop technologies, and might even have had a different name or branding. But now, it seems mostly confusing (both because people end up in the wrong place, and because it muddles the message).
Well, my concerns would be:
1) either, we wouldn't get old archives in hyperkitty if we renamed the list or 2) old links to archives would break 3) people's mail filters will break.
But maybe we can solve those problems somehow?
--Ray
On 10/29/2015 12:45 PM, Ray Strode wrote:
Hi,
Might this be an opportunity to also migrate the Workstation WG to a separate "workstation" list? I think keeping the existing list made sense when there was the possibility the that Workstation edition might actually include several different desktop technologies, and might even have had a different name or branding. But now, it seems mostly confusing (both because people end up in the wrong place, and because it muddles the message).
Well, my concerns would be:
- either, we wouldn't get old archives in hyperkitty if we renamed the list
or 2) old links to archives would break 3) people's mail filters will break.
But maybe we can solve those problems somehow?
I would suggest keeping it simple, throwing less variables / things to go wrong in the mix, and just migrate the list as-is and consider a list name change further down the road.
~m
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:45:35PM -0400, Ray Strode wrote:
Well, my concerns would be:
- either, we wouldn't get old archives in hyperkitty if we renamed the list
or 2) old links to archives would break 3) people's mail filters will break.
But maybe we can solve those problems somehow?
With the switch for the Board -> Council lists, Kevin left the old archives in place _and_ migrated them to the new list, solving 1 and 2. However, #3 would be unavoidable - although, with enough warning, not necessarily a problem. People might want to update their filters and subscriptions anyway. (And, for that matter, going to Mailman 3 will break many people's filters no matter what, since many of the header names and formats changed.)
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 01:47:00PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 10/29/2015 12:45 PM, Ray Strode wrote:
Hi,
Might this be an opportunity to also migrate the Workstation WG to a separate "workstation" list? I think keeping the existing list made sense when there was the possibility the that Workstation edition might actually include several different desktop technologies, and might even have had a different name or branding. But now, it seems mostly confusing (both because people end up in the wrong place, and because it muddles the message).
Well, my concerns would be:
- either, we wouldn't get old archives in hyperkitty if we renamed the list
or 2) old links to archives would break 3) people's mail filters will break.
But maybe we can solve those problems somehow?
I would suggest keeping it simple, throwing less variables / things to go wrong in the mix, and just migrate the list as-is and consider a list name change further down the road.
That's my feeling too. There have been plenty of folks in recent months coming in to the list to ask questions and participate in discussions. Without a plan in place to go through all the places where we reference this list already and fix those, I'm not in favor of moving at this time, but we can certainly reconsider down the road.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:36:56AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
That's my feeling too. There have been plenty of folks in recent months coming in to the list to ask questions and participate in discussions. Without a plan in place to go through all the places where we reference this list already and fix those, I'm not in favor of moving at this time, but we can certainly reconsider down the road.
It's my impression, though, that a lot of those questions are general desktop questions — and that people specifically wanting to ask about Fedora Workstation need to be given extra explanation that yes, this is the right place.
On 10/30/2015 02:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:36:56AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
That's my feeling too. There have been plenty of folks in recent months coming in to the list to ask questions and participate in discussions. Without a plan in place to go through all the places where we reference this list already and fix those, I'm not in favor of moving at this time, but we can certainly reconsider down the road.
It's my impression, though, that a lot of those questions are general desktop questions — and that people specifically wanting to ask about Fedora Workstation need to be given extra explanation that yes, this is the right place.
Couldn't you just set up a temporary email alias until the list name was changed?
~m
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