On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.comwrote:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:42:48 +0200 Christoph Wickert wrote:

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What launches notification-daemon in F15? dbus? And why is it not started in F16 any longer?

The LXDE spin has no notifications and I'm wondering when/why this has changed.

FYI, now that you mentioned it I discovered in my F15 it does not auto-start either (XFCE)...

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Regards, Christoph

Regards, Martin

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I think there was an autostart file for it not so long ago, I remember seeing it on my F15 machine. But I can't seem to find it on both my f16 and f15 machines, which is strange. I don't remember what provided that file... I can't seem to find it in thee notification-daemon package git, so it's probably not there. Anyway, you should add notification-daemon.desktop to the autostart directory, but make sure that it only starts when needed (ie. when not using gnome-shell).

I think there was even a thread about it in this list, which said that every desktop should take care of loading the notification-daemon on it's own.

Am Montag, den 24.10.2011, 12:18 +0200 schrieb Martin Sourada:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:42:48 +0200 Christoph Wickert wrote:

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What launches notification-daemon in F15? dbus? And why is it not started in F16 any longer?

The LXDE spin has no notifications and I'm wondering when/why this has changed.

FYI, now that you mentioned it I discovered in my F15 it does not auto-start either (XFCE)...

Xfce has xfce4-notifd, which is started correctly, at least on the Xfce Spin.

Regards, Christoph

Am Montag, den 24.10.2011, 08:23 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 13:26 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:

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Am Montag, den 24.10.2011, 12:42 +0200 schrieb Elad:

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I think there was even a thread about it in this list, which said that every desktop should take care of loading the notification-daemon on it's own.

Nope, that was policykit agents, not notification daemons.

notification-daemon is in the same boat.

Hi Matthias,

thanks for the answer and pointing me to the commit.

Fwiw, it's been like this since before F15:

http://git.gnome.org/browse/notification-daemon/commit/?id=1ad20d22098bc7718...

I have to admit I missed it and a heads-up to the maintainers of the affected packages would have been nice.

While I do understand that GNOME no longer used dbus to start it, I still don't understand why the desktop file was moved to another package.

We now receive complainants that notification-daemon no longer works in Xfce or LXDE. To fix this, we need to install a copy of the desktop file and mark it OnlyShowIn=Xfce or OnlyShowIn=LXDE. The same applies to polkit-gnome. This means we end up with 8 desktop [1] files where we previously only had 3 and still don't cover all combinations.

I don't see any improvement over the previous situation, instead I see some regressions: * users are still not free to decide for themselves what notification daemon of polkit agent they want to run. In fact they are more unfree than before. * users of desktop display managers are no longer able to run polkit applications and receive notifications. We'd require another set of desktop files for each WM and this obviously doesn't scale. * I have to maintain 2 patched packages and so have many other maintainers.

The only 'improvement' is that it's no longer your problem. I don't understand why you had to apply this change when all it required was some coordination between 3 package maintainers to agree on a sane set of defaults. I made a working proposal for this [2].

Long story short: What do you suggest I should tell the people who complain. They have asked what component they should file bugs against. Are you ok with notification-daemon and polkit-gnome?

Regards, Christoph

[1] polkit-gnome and notification-daemon in gnome-session, both notification-daemons and polkit agents in xfce4-session and 2 files in lxsession [2] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/134578.html

Am Dienstag, den 15.11.2011, 12:46 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:

On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 18:11 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:

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Long story short: What do you suggest I should tell the people who complain. They have asked what component they should file bugs against. Are you ok with notification-daemon and polkit-gnome?

Depends on what outcome you expect.

Hi Matthias,

my hope is to fix the problems for our users, this means less complains and bug reports.

You can certainly file bugs against notification-daemon, but I don't see the autostart file coming back.

This means we would have to file bugs against *all* window and session managers because ATM we are leaving a lot of people without any support for policykit or notifications, which is a pretty massive regression compared to F14.

I don't think 'number of desktop files' is the thing we should be optimizing, and shared autostart files for desktop infrastructure are just a recipe for avoidable conflicts. All the OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn hackery is just treating the symptoms.

I understand your point and I agree it's just treating symptoms, but I think that a proper use of OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn could fix most of the problems - if we agree on a common set. Of course I am open to suggestions, but so far I haven't heard any.

Regards, Christoph

Am Mittwoch, den 16.11.2011, 22:09 +0100 schrieb Michael Schwendt:

I've reassigned https://bugzilla.redhat.com/754036 to glib2 (libgio).

Apparently, XFCE does not run notification-daemon and not xfce4-notifyd either,

It does run xfce4-notifyd, it just doesn't install it by default. Maybe this is something we should change.

and that crashes apps in libgio.

I think that no app should crash when it cannot display a notification.

Regards, Christoph