*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
• Should each product have its own logo? or • Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or • Can you make our product its own website? (How should we represent these products on the website? Should we allow products to have their own separate websites?)
To start off the rebranding discussion, the Fedora Design Teamhas4 basic questions for each of the 3 product-focused working groups to answer:
(1) What problem does your product solve, in one sentence? (2) Who is the target audience for your product, in one sentence? (3) List at least 5 products that successfully target the same target audience you are after. (4) List at least 5 products that try to solve the same problem.
We are reaching out to each group individually to ask that you discuss these questions and come back to us with answers by Wednesday, December 4th2013.
cheers, ryanlerch
On Thu 14 Nov 2013 04:26:33 PM EST, Ryan Lerch wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
• Should each product have its own logo? or • Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or • Can you make our product its own website? (How should we represent these products on the website? Should we allow products to have their own separate websites?)
To start off the rebranding discussion, the Fedora Design Teamhas4 basic questions for each of the 3 product-focused working groups to answer:
(1) What problem does your product solve, in one sentence? (2) Who is the target audience for your product, in one sentence? (3) List at least 5 products that successfully target the same target audience you are after. (4) List at least 5 products that try to solve the same problem.
We are reaching out to each group individually to ask that you discuss these questions and come back to us with answers by Wednesday, December 4th2013.
cheers, ryanlerch
Hi all,
the fedora design team is looping back on this at the moment.
what is the best way for us as a team to answer these questions?
cheers, ryanlerch
Hey,
On 05/22/2014 09:55 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
the fedora design team is looping back on this at the moment.
what is the best way for us as a team to answer these questions?
In case it helps to look at somebody else's homework:
Cloud: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3
Server: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-05-20/fedora-meeting-...
~m
To hopefully kick off some discussion on this so we can reply to Ryan and Mairin here is some initial thoughts from me:
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From: "Ryan Lerch" rlerch@redhat.com To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:55:28 PM Subject: Re: Fedora.next Product Branding
On Thu 14 Nov 2013 04:26:33 PM EST, Ryan Lerch wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
• Should each product have its own logo? or • Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or • Can you make our product its own website? (How should we represent these products on the website? Should we allow products to have their own separate websites?)
To start off the rebranding discussion, the Fedora Design Teamhas4 basic questions for each of the 3 product-focused working groups to answer:
Here are my suggestions to what we can answer here:
(1) What problem does your product solve, in one sentence?
Make computers be a more productive tool for our target audience
(2) Who is the target audience for your product, in one sentence?
While all users are welcome are tailoring our experience towards being the leading operating system for developers and sysadmins.
(3) List at least 5 products that successfully target the same target audience you are after.
MacOS X, Windows, Ubuntu. (Don't really think there are anyone else)
(4) List at least 5 products that try to solve the same problem.
I don't know how to usefully answer this question, I noticed that Stephen Galagher answered a slightly different question (List at least 5 products that successfully target the same target, which is a bit easier to answer: O'Reilly books, Apple hardware, The Big Bang Theory. I was also thinking about Jolt Cola and Wired Magazine, but I am not sure how popular either still is.
We are reaching out to each group individually to ask that you discuss these questions and come back to us with answers by Wednesday, December 4th2013.
cheers, ryanlerch
Hi all,
the fedora design team is looping back on this at the moment.
what is the best way for us as a team to answer these questions?
cheers, ryanlerch -- desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ryan Lerch rlerch@redhat.com wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
• Should each product have its own logo? or
No.
• Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or
Sure whats the point of having a fedora product that is not on the fedora website ..
• Can you make our product its own website?
No, shouldn't be needed product do not really overlap.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ryan Lerch rlerch@redhat.com wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
- Should each product have its own logo? or
No.
Why don't you think so? (One word answers don't continue conversation.)
- Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or
Sure whats the point of having a fedora product that is not on the fedora website ..
I think the answer is more nuanced than that, and largely depends on what Products are actually approved. For now, I agree that having the existing 3 Products on the website makes sense.
- Can you make our product its own website?
No, shouldn't be needed product do not really overlap.
I disagree here. I think having a unique website (or landing page) might very well be worthwhile. Dismissing this seems premature.
josh
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ryan Lerch rlerch@redhat.com wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
- Should each product have its own logo? or
No.
Why don't you think so? (One word answers don't continue conversation.)
Because it could cause confusion among users and vendors, weaken the fedora brand as such and does not seem to solve any real issue anyway. Its better to ask the one that proposes a change to justify it instead of the one that says that it should not be changed.
- Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or
Sure whats the point of having a fedora product that is not on the fedora website ..
I think the answer is more nuanced than that, and largely depends on what Products are actually approved. For now, I agree that having the existing 3 Products on the website makes sense.
- Can you make our product its own website?
No, shouldn't be needed product do not really overlap.
I disagree here. I think having a unique website (or landing page) might very well be worthwhile. Dismissing this seems premature.
What content would the workstation specific website have that is worth the effort of having a separate website? A page that explains what workstation is after selecting or clicking on the workstation might make sense tough.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ryan Lerch rlerch@redhat.com wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
- Should each product have its own logo? or
No.
Why don't you think so? (One word answers don't continue conversation.)
Because it could cause confusion among users and vendors, weaken the fedora brand as such and does not seem to solve any real issue anyway. Its better to ask the one that proposes a change to justify it instead of the one that says that it should not be changed.
Maybe we are thinking of different ends of what "separate logo" means. I was thinking more along the lines of:
http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/05/22/fedora-next-brand-concept-1/
which isn't a _replacement_ for the Fedora logo, but seems complimentary to it.
- Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or
Sure whats the point of having a fedora product that is not on the fedora website ..
I think the answer is more nuanced than that, and largely depends on what Products are actually approved. For now, I agree that having the existing 3 Products on the website makes sense.
- Can you make our product its own website?
No, shouldn't be needed product do not really overlap.
I disagree here. I think having a unique website (or landing page) might very well be worthwhile. Dismissing this seems premature.
What content would the workstation specific website have that is worth the effort of having a separate website? A page that explains what workstation is after selecting or clicking on the workstation might make sense tough.
"Website" in the full definition of a separately hosted entity entirely is a lot of overhead, yeah. However, a unique URL might be useful as a landing page for people looking for a specific product. Again, I think there's a broad range of options here and dismissing it without exploring them seems premature.
josh
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ryan Lerch rlerch@redhat.com wrote:
*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on*
With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions:
- Should each product have its own logo? or
No.
Why don't you think so? (One word answers don't continue conversation.)
Because it could cause confusion among users and vendors, weaken the fedora brand as such and does not seem to solve any real issue anyway. Its better to ask the one that proposes a change to justify it instead of the one that says that it should not be changed.
Maybe we are thinking of different ends of what "separate logo" means. I was thinking more along the lines of:
http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2014/05/22/fedora-next-brand-concept-1/
which isn't a _replacement_ for the Fedora logo, but seems complimentary to it.
Oh indeed that wasn't clear from the initial mail. In that case having logos might make sense (i.e as long as the fedora logo and branding stays present).
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