https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178787
The removal of the separate Workstation DVD and netinst had some fallout with Boxes. It looks like this bug lay dormant after February, which is too bad because there was still time to fix things for F22 at that point. But we should see what to do about this situation for F23.
My recollection is the WG opted for getting rid of the separate Workstation installation DVD and netinst in favor of the Live image only. But this causes issuses with Boxes/libosinfo express install of Fedora.
One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing?
On 05/12/2015 05:59 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing?
I can think of two options, but unsure how easy they are to implement.
Option one would be to teach Boxes how to do an express install from regular Workstation live media. If Anaconda's live installer manages to install from the live media, it can't be impossible.
Option two would be to teach Boxes how to do a full network install, where it would download the initrd and kernel from network, prepare a kickstart file and do a network based install from the install tree.
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On 05/12/2015 05:59 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing?
I can think of two options, but unsure how easy they are to implement.
Option one would be to teach Boxes how to do an express install from regular Workstation live media. If Anaconda's live installer manages to install from the live media, it can't be impossible.
Option two would be to teach Boxes how to do a full network install, where it would download the initrd and kernel from network, prepare a kickstart file and do a network based install from the install tree.
Option #1 please.
Option #2 means that, to install F23 on my machine, and then run it inside the VM, I'd need to download 2 images. Which might be fair enough if we didn't control both Boxes and the Fedora media creation.
On Fri, 2015-05-15 at 06:57 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
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On 05/12/2015 05:59 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing?
I can think of two options, but unsure how easy they are to implement.
Option one would be to teach Boxes how to do an express install from regular Workstation live media. If Anaconda's live installer manages to install from the live media, it can't be impossible.
Option two would be to teach Boxes how to do a full network install, where it would download the initrd and kernel from network, prepare a kickstart file and do a network based install from the install tree.
Option #1 please.
Option #2 means that, to install F23 on my machine, and then run it inside the VM, I'd need to download 2 images. Which might be fair enough if we didn't control both Boxes and the Fedora media creation.
Option #1 was what we were hoping an planning for when this issue came up for f21. It requires the live installer to stop ignoring kickstart files. Thus, we are at the mercy of the anaconda team for this, and from what I can see, nothing has happened in this regard on their side.
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:59:38AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing?
For this use case, how about producing a ready-to-run image, basically like the cloud image, but meant to run Workstation in a local VM?
Then, initial setup can cover creating a user account, setting the language, etc.
On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 22:54 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:59:38AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing?
For this use case, how about producing a ready-to-run image, basically like the cloud image, but meant to run Workstation in a local VM?
Yes please.
For the sake of adoption I think we should create ready to run images for VirtualBox/VMWare/Parallels and of course Boxes. VBox and VMWare both support .OVF/.OVA images already and I know Boxes has support that in the works. From my POV this is something we should do.
Downloading the Live image to then perform an installation can be quite annoying specially if you have to do it repeatedly.
Then, initial setup can cover creating a user account, setting the language, etc.
-- Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 01:12:00PM +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
For this use case, how about producing a ready-to-run image, basically like the cloud image, but meant to run Workstation in a local VM?
Yes please.
Let's call this "Option 3", then. :)
For the sake of adoption I think we should create ready to run images for VirtualBox/VMWare/Parallels and of course Boxes. VBox and VMWare both support .OVF/.OVA images already and I know Boxes has support that in the works. From my POV this is something we should do.
Cool. This, then, should get filed as a Change for Fedora 23 and discussion with Rel Eng and QA started regarding these new deliverables.
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 01:12:00PM +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
For this use case, how about producing a ready-to-run image, basically like the cloud image, but meant to run Workstation in a local VM?
Yes please.
Let's call this "Option 3", then. :)
Sure but if "we" are unable to do the hard work for option#1 or 2, I'm very sceptical of getting this to work on all levels by F23 (or even F24). I'm assuming here that we'd go for the OVF option Alberto pointed to. Boxes already supports import of raw disk images so we can do that right now even but that's not the path I'll recommend going after.
Having said that, I think we should work on making option#3 work but as an additional task to making it easy to try and install Fedora in Boxes. We still want an installer media (or a live media that support kickstart).
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 01:01:22PM +0100, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 01:12:00PM +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
For this use case, how about producing a ready-to-run image, basically like the cloud image, but meant to run Workstation in a local VM?
Yes please.
Let's call this "Option 3", then. :)
Sure but if "we" are unable to do the hard work for option#1 or 2, I'm very sceptical of getting this to work on all levels by F23 (or even F24). I'm assuming here that we'd go for the OVF option Alberto pointed to. Boxes already supports import of raw disk images so we can do that right now even but that's not the path I'll recommend going after.
Having said that, I think we should work on making option#3 work but as an additional task to making it easy to try and install Fedora in Boxes. We still want an installer media (or a live media that support kickstart).
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-web.git/log/?h=f22
I've made those changes, so for the F22 release you'll see the netinst links on the Workstation download page.
Here's an image grab from a test, so you can see how it will appear: https://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/f22ws-w-netinst-20150518.png
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
https://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/f22ws-w-netinst-20150518.png
Nice. This will be the workstation-graphics version, right?
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:50:28PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
https://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/f22ws-w-netinst-20150518.png
Nice. This will be the workstation-graphics version, right?
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Is this something about website design? If so, better to ask the #fedora-websites crew. I've not been very involved with the sites this time around. I checked with robyduck on IRC to make sure I could safely introduce this change without disturbing anything else.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 05:38:50PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
https://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/f22ws-w-netinst-20150518.png
Nice. This will be the workstation-graphics version, right?
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Is this something about website design? If so, better to ask the #fedora-websites crew. I've not been very involved with the sites this time around. I checked with robyduck on IRC to make sure I could safely introduce this change without disturbing anything else.
No, I mean, in F21, we didn't have a netinst with theming other than the server colors and images.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 05:42:49PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 05:38:50PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
https://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/f22ws-w-netinst-20150518.png
Nice. This will be the workstation-graphics version, right?
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Is this something about website design? If so, better to ask the #fedora-websites crew. I've not been very involved with the sites this time around. I checked with robyduck on IRC to make sure I could safely introduce this change without disturbing anything else.
No, I mean, in F21, we didn't have a netinst with theming other than the server colors and images.
I just verified that when I booted the F22 WS netinst ISO, I get the Workstation graphics in Anaconda.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 02:58:00PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
No, I mean, in F21, we didn't have a netinst with theming other than the server colors and images.
I just verified that when I booted the F22 WS netinst ISO, I get the Workstation graphics in Anaconda.
Perfect
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