hi all This one is an odd question to ask, since I'm not a windows user. Mellisa tells me that on her windows box she can see our belkin n300 wireless router in the network section of file explorer. I've tried to get this working in gnome, since it would be nice to simply click on an icon and have the browser open to my gateway's setup page instead of having to remember an IP address. Normally I'd just bite the bullet and remember the IP address, since it's no big deal. However, I'm going to be getting a new router soon and sometimes the IP address varies from 192.168.2.1, 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.0.1, and others. Does anyone know if this is possible? Nautilus seems to be fairly hardcoded in it's network view. There's always a windows network option, even if no samba servers are active, and there's a "tigger" option, which refers to my computer, but I get a connection refused error when clicking on that, but no router. I'm a novice at networking and only understand the basics. Does anyone know how I might get this working in fedora? By the way, fedora 23 rc6 is fantastic, great job everyone! I'll be sure to inline quote if I get responses this time. Thanks Kendell clark
Hi,
I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your router is not a file.
You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though, because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping gateway".
I hope this helps.
On 10/28/2015 04:52 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
Hi,
I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your router is not a file.
You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though, because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping gateway".
I hope this helps.
"It sure does. Wish I'd known about this, thanks a lot. As a curiosity, is this what windows does? Or does the router specifically identify itself in some proprietary way windows can see? Thanks Kendell clark"
-- -Elad.
The Windows network view uses multiple protocols for device discovery, including NETBIOS, UPnP and Zeroconf. Most modern routers advertise themselves using Zeroconf - at one point Epiphany (GNOME Web) would display Zeroconf advertised devices under a 'Local Sites' bookmark folder, but it seems that is no longer the case (correct me if I'm wrong). Nautilus (GNOME Files) is purely a file manager, it does not do any Zeroconf discovery for network devices.
Stefan Nuxoll stefan@nuxoll.eu.org
Subject: Re: detecting network routers in gnome? To: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org From: coffeekingms@gmail.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:02:04 -0500
On 10/28/2015 04:52 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
Hi,
I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your router is not a file.
You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though, because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping gateway".
I hope this helps.
"It sure does. Wish I'd known about this, thanks a lot. As a curiosity, is this what windows does? Or does the router specifically identify itself in some proprietary way windows can see? Thanks Kendell clark"
-- -Elad.
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On 10/28/2015 05:06 PM, Stefan Nuxoll wrote:
The Windows network view uses multiple protocols for device discovery, including NETBIOS, UPnP and Zeroconf. Most modern routers advertise themselves using Zeroconf - at one point Epiphany (GNOME Web) would display Zeroconf advertised devices under a 'Local Sites' bookmark folder, but it seems that is no longer the case (correct me if I'm wrong). Nautilus (GNOME Files) is purely a file manager, it does not do any Zeroconf discovery for network devices.
"I think this isn't entirely accurate. I believe it uses avahi or zeroconf, if you like that better to show network accessible devices, which is how it displays a "windows network" option. I don't know this to be completely true it could use some other way of showing these devices but I "think" that's how it does it. In nautilus > 3.18 these devices have been moved into an "other devices" view which makes it look cleaner and less cluttered. If this is the case that routers advertise themselves via zeroconf I may have to investigate the avahi config files to see if a particular option needs enabling. As an aside, the gateway alias does seem to work. However, I get 100 percent packet loss when trying to use it. The particular output I get is: kendell@tigger speechd-el$ sudo ping [Kgateway
[sudo] password for kendell:
PING gateway.home (198.105.254.17) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- gateway.home ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 6007ms
I've setup a separate home domain via firewalld, which might be why this doesn't work. Another interesting side effect of this is that I can no longer use vinegger, gnome's remote desktop client, to connect to windows or linux machines over the network. When I attempt to search for them in the "home" domain, I get an error. The exact error is "cannot browse for "protocol" on domain home. Nxdomain." I'm wondering if I might have messed something up attempting to mess with things in firewalld. This stuff is a little over my head. I really should invest in a good networking book Thanks Kendell clark"
Stefan Nuxoll <stefan@nuxoll.eu.org mailto:stefan@nuxoll.eu.org>
Subject: Re: detecting network routers in gnome? To: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org From: coffeekingms@gmail.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:02:04 -0500
On 10/28/2015 04:52 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
Hi,
I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your router is not a file.
You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though, because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping
gateway".
I hope this helps.
"It sure does. Wish I'd known about this, thanks a lot. As a curiosity, is this what windows does? Or does the router specifically identify itself in some proprietary way windows can see? Thanks Kendell clark"
-- -Elad.
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----- Original Message -----
The Windows network view uses multiple protocols for device discovery, including NETBIOS, UPnP and Zeroconf. Most modern routers advertise themselves using Zeroconf - at one point Epiphany (GNOME Web) would display Zeroconf advertised devices under a 'Local Sites' bookmark folder, but it seems that is no longer the case (correct me if I'm wrong).
It still does, under the "Nearby sites" menu.
Nautilus (GNOME Files) is purely a file manager, it does not do any Zeroconf discovery for network devices.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM, kendell clark coffeekingms@gmail.com wrote:
As a curiosity, is this what windows does? desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
No, windows actually fetches more details about your router to display its name and such. The functionality I described is a simple alias used in name resolution, just like "localhost" is.
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