Howdy, My thanks to all who gave me leads and such on this jolly trek I've been on. May asked me to post the answer when I got it, so here it is.

For these examples I removed the OpenOffice Spreadsheet, and put the terminal button first (before the web browser)

RedHat 9 and Enterprise 3 (Gnome 2.2) ------------------------- Edit the files /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/panel/default_profiles/medium/general/%gconf.xml /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/panel/default_profiles/medium/objects/terminal_launcher/%gconf.xml

In general/%gconf.xml I replaced the word spreadsheet_launcher with terminal_launcher

In terminal_launcher/%gconf.xml I changed the 'position' value from 300 to 25

Fedora Core 1 (Gnome 2.4) ------------- Edit the file /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/general/%gconf.xml and add the file/directory /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/objects/terminal_launcher/%gconf.xml

in general/%gconf.xml I replaced the word spreadsheet_launcher with terminal_launcher

For the file terminal_launcher/%gconf.xml well ... I haven't gotten that right yet. I just know that when I have it wrong I get a nice error when I startup gnome. Since at the moment, my main users are RedHat 9 and Enterprise 3 users, I'm going to say that it's good enough because I found the file :)

EXTRA ----- Good documentation http://www.gnome.org/learn/ http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.2/gconf-8.html#gconf-14 http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/gconf-8.html#gconf-14

Just note that at least for the Gnome 2.2, the examples they use are not what you find in RedHat 9. This led me on a wild goose chase (but at least I had a goose to chase) Also note that you can do all that I did using gconf, but after working with the syntax of it, I finolly gave up and did things by hand.

Hope this helps people Troy Dawson