Hi all,
It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification.
The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi.
There's a separate koji build target for the 3.9.91 builds and the magical invocation is 'fedpkg build --target f20-gnome'. We're also going to use the same spreadsheet system as previously, so if you want builds to be included in the megaupdate, 1) use the f20-gnome build target, and 2) list the builds in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtzJKpbiGX1zdGJzeU9waFJFZmgyQzB...
Thanks!
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote:
It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi.
Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance?
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote:
It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi.
Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance?
Depends on when the planning has been done but given that the gnome schedule is rather predicable yes.
On 09/02/2013 07:37 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance?
We might have been able to do slightly better, because GNOME schedules are published in advance and set pretty much in stone. In the end, it's hard to plan for this though because we tend to slip often with Fedora (there has already been a two-week adjustment to F20 schedule: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095#comment:12)
What really matters is to have the final releases of Fedora and GNOME roughly in sync (by the way, thanks for everyone involved for making the shorter F20 schedule work!). It's not much of a problem if there are small scheduling issues with Alpha / Beta releases, as long as the final Fedora release doesn't come too late after a GNOME release.
I think what's happening now is perfectly fine: GNOME release arrives a day or two after Fedora freeze, we package everything up quickly and if it's good, include it as a freeze exception. If it's problematic, leave it for after freeze.
There's some small annoyances involved, but slipping the whole Fedora just to wait for GNOME 3.9.91 wouldn't be a worse solution, in my opinion.
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On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 05:44:46PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote:
It's that time of the year again -- F20 is going into the Alpha freeze tomorrow and new builds will have to go through Bodhi for verification. The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi.
Could we have avoided this conflict by scheduling better in advance?
I usually try to align with GNOME when creating schedule but it's hard to get completely in sync. For F20, it was pretty much constrained by FESCo request to release in November and we are moving target sometimes. What's important is that final GNOME lands in time for final Fedora as Kalev pointed out. Even after freeze, we try to get latest GNOME bits into the compose, so it gets tested and QA is usually ok with that (doing smoke compose and getting it a bit spin).
Btw. important releases are always part of [1].
Jaroslav
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/20/Schedule#Upstream_Project_Schedul...
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On 09/02/2013 05:44 PM, Kalev Lember wrote:
The GNOME 3.9.91 release is coming as well, with a bit unfortunate timing wrt. Fedora freezes. In any case, we'll handle the GNOME 3.9.91 builds together and file them as a single megaupdate in Bodhi.
GNOME 3.9.91 builds are now done and made it in right before the Alpha freeze last night. Bodhi wasn't enabled yet so they made it directly to the base F20 repo, and are available in today's F20 compose.
CC-ing Tim Flink: unfortunately, latest TC3 images were spinned based on last night's compose and GNOME 3.9.91 is only in today's. Could you guys request a new TC please?
Thanks, Kalev
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