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(A)synchronous file operations & xdg-open
by Jerry James 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

This came up in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472402 but is worth a more general discussion amongst the developer community, I think. The xdg-open tool is generally a good thing for the users, but at least a couple of cases have arisen where it is not doing the right thing. The problem seems to be that there are two modes of operation that are wanted. (1) Launch a tool that can display a persistent URL. This can be asynchronous, since the object identified by the URL isn't going away. (2) Launch a tool that can display or edit a temporary file. This must be synchronous, since the entity that created the temporary file needs to read it after it is edited, and remove it in either case. xdg-open is being used for both cases. Some of the tools it invokes, such as gnome-open, operate in mode 1 and some (kfmclient?) in mode 2. When a mode 1 tool is used in a situation that demands a mode 2 tool, bad things happen (see also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435107). It appears to me that we either need to split xdg-open into two tools, representing the two modes of operation, or else give xdg-open a command-line switch to demand synchronous operation. We also need to figure out which tools it invokes that operate in mode 1 and find mode 2 equivalents for them. What do you think? -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/

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Raising the bar
by Matthias Clasen 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

Hey all, we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them. 'Fit and Finish' is meant to be complementary to the work of the Fedora QA team. They do a great job of ensuring the quality of all the new features that land in Fedora each cycle. But when features are developed and tested on their own, the overall experience of the system as a whole can sometimes end up a bit uneven and rough. 'Fit and Finish' will focus on improving the way our users experience Fedora. To achieve this, we will hold regular test days, each of which will focus on use cases in a certain area. A few ideas for test day topics can be found on the 'Fit and Finish' page already. If you have ideas for other areas that could benefit from this kind of attention, please let us know. Our first test day will focus on display configuration, and will be held on Tuesday, July 7, from 12:00 to 21:00 UTC (8am -> 5pm EDT), in the fedora-fit-and-finish irc channel on FreeNode. Please come and join us there ! Matthias Clasen for the Desktop team

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KSplice in Fedora?
by Neal Gompa 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

I was reading an article today in ComputerWorld about something called KSplice, which allows Linux users to install critical updates and patch in without rebooting the computer. I tried it and while it was a bit odd for installing (not auto-disabling the Ubuntu update system), it worked very well. I think something like this would be great for Fedora as well, possibly something for Fedora 12. Would it be possible to implement this or something similar for Fedora? Note: Article: http://blogs.computerworld.com/never_reboot_again_with_linux_and_ksplice

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Segfault connecting to a VPN through NetworkManager
by Mat Booth 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

Hi, I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1] What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp, none of the above? [1] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/vpn-bug.txt -- Mat Booth www.matbooth.co.uk

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Last call for F9 updates
by Josh Boyer 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

F9 will be EOL'd very very soon. This is probably the last call for updates to F9. I wouldn't bother with updates-testing, as the time required to properly get those pushed out and have feedback from them is longer than the EOL date. That does not mean to push untested stuff straight to stable. josh

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RFC: Kernel changes that may affect desktops
by Matthew Garrett 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

ACPI docking stations are mildly complicated creatures that require the OS to handle part of the undocking process. We're currently doing this entirely within the kernel, but this has the significant downside that there's no way to handle cleanly unmounting any block devices that are contained within the dock - they'll simply vanish. I've been working with David Zeuthen to flesh out proper desktop support for this, and we're now at the point where there's not a great deal of code to write to get this working cleanly. Unfortunately this requires a certain level of integration between the kernel and the desktop - something has to prompt the user about unmounting the device and then trigger the completion of the undock. The kernel still handles the actual ACPI execution, but policy now lives in the desktop. Once this code is ready I'd like to change the kernel defaults to allow this. The problem is that this will cause a reduction in functionality for desktops that don't have this integration. How should this kind of situation be handled? -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59(a)srcf.ucam.org

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Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170
by David 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is - it shows the range of what is available - it allows a specific choice Design suggestion for the Fedora download page (http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora): FEDORA LIVE CD Do you require a specific desktop ? [ * ] I don't care [ ] Fedora Live with GNOME [ ] Fedora Live with KDE [ ] Fedora Live with LXDE [ ] Fedora Live with XFCE etc The "I don't care" just links to whichever desktop is currently the "default". Implementation of this logic doesn't require radio buttons. Just 2 links: 1) "click here for default" 2) or "click here to choose (go to a selection menu)" Clicking link #1 gets you the default. Or clicking link #2 takes you to a menu of links, one for each available choice. Fedora policy specifies which desktop the user gets if they click the default. But the above user interface design is independent of whichever one is the default.

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Heads Up: e2fsprogs library split-out
by Eric Sandeen 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

There have been a few requests to split out the various libraries in e2fsprogs into subpackages: libcom_err(-devel) libss(-devel) libuuid(-devel) Note that libblkid(-devel) has already been split out as it is now part of util-linux-ng (thanks to kzak!) - an email was sent previously about that. The following packages have BuildRequires: on e2fsprogs-devel, so depending on what libs they required from the package, they may need to shift to one of these new subpackages when they go in (hopefully today or tomorrow). I'll send another follow-up mail when it's done. Thanks, -Eric aconway: qpidc aconway: rhm anaconda-maint: anaconda atkac: dump ausil: silo bpepple: evolution-brutus bpepple: libepc cmadams: ufiformat danms: libvirt-cim dcbw: NetworkManager deji: gparted deji: mpich2 deji: nautilus-actions denis: k3d drago01: fsarchiver dwmw2: yaboot ensc: util-vserver gavin: squeak-vm green: lash grenier: testdisk harald: readahead ianweller: lordsawar itamarjp: reiserfs-utils ivazquez: mod_dnssd ixs: e2tools jgranado: parted jnovy: mc jorton: apr jorton: apr-util josef: btrfs-progs jwboyer: jfsutils karlik: gmediaserver kasal: pmount kraxel: xenner kwizart: libewf kzak: util-linux-ng laxathom: gnubversion lvm-team: cryptsetup-luks mbarnes: samba4 mfasheh: ocfs2-tools mitr: usermode mjakubicek: ext3grep nalin: krb5 nhorman: coda nhorman: pam_kcoda oget: muse orphan: luks-tools ovasik: inn ovasik: quota ovasik: star pbrobinson: gupnp pbrobinson: gupnp-tools pbrobinson: rygel rcritten: ipa rishi: anjuta rjones: zerofree rstrode: gnome-utils ruben: gearmand salimma: Io-language sandeen: e2fsprogs sandeen: xfsdump sandeen: xfsprogs sindrepb: gtranslator spot: ntfsprogs ssp: libSM steved: nfs-utils steve: qtparted sundaram: gnote tbzatek: libarchive tgl: postgresql xris: dar

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Outage Notification - 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC
by Mike McGrath 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

There will be an outage starting at 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2009-07-01 01:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control Unaffected Services: Database DNS Fedora Hosted Fedora People Fedora Talk Mail Mirror System Torrent Translation Services Websites Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1496 Reason for Outage: Final migration step for new cvs server. It will hopefully be offline for only 30-45 minutes. The additional time is for some further tuning if needed and some verification steps. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
by Liang Suilong 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

梁穗隆 on 06/30/2009 10:51 AM wrote: >> So I really hope that solang will replace f-spot soon. And solang has >> more new features than f-spot. >I don't see a package review request or any koji builds. Are you sure >it's coming to Fedora? I really do not know when it comes to Fedora. I hope it soon. If you are interested in it, you can click into these websites and lean more about it. https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/solang/ http://www.stefanoforenza.com/solang-is-a-new-photo-manager/ At last, I am not solang's author. -- <url>http://liangsuilong.co.cc</url> Fight for freedom!!!!(3F） Ask not what your Linux distro can do for you! Ask what you can do for your Linux distro!

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