devel February 2005

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upgrading RH 9 system->Fedora with iso files and apt only
by Didier Casse 17 Jan '22

17 Jan '22

I have the yarrow's iso files on my HD in a RH9 system. Let's say I want to upgrade selected packages using an "apt-get install" pointing to my iso-mounted files, how do I do it? i.e I mount the iso into some /mnt/yarrow1, /mnt/yarrow 2 etc.. Then what is the complete procedure to make my apt look into my own HD to upgrade packages. Can anybody redirect me to the correct resource or some literature hanging on the web? Thanks. Assume also that I do not wish to burn CDs! I do not want to use apt-cdrom. Thanks. With kind regards, Didier. --- PhD student Singapore Synchrotron Light Source (SSLS) 5 Research Link, Singapore 117603 Email: slsbdfc at nus dot edu dot sg \or\ didierbe at sps dot nus dot edu dot sg Website: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg

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autoconf breakage on x86_64.
by Sam Varshavchik 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

I don't know the right way to fix this, but something is definitely broken; and something needs to be fixed, one way or the other. The question is what exactly needs to be fixed. Consider something like this: LIBS="-lresolv $LIBS" AC_TRY_LINK_FUNC(res_query, AC_MSG_RESULT(yes), AC_MSG_RESULT(no)) Here's what happens on x86_64: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall -I.. -I./.. conftest.c -lresolv >&5 /tmp/ccW7EeDX.o(.text+0x7): In function `main': /home/mrsam/src/courier/authlib/configure:5160: undefined reference to `res_query' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure:5147: $? = 1 configure: failed program was: [ blah blah blah ] | /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ | char res_query (); | int | main () | { | res_query (); | ; | return 0; | } The same exact test on FC1 x86 will work. The reason appears to be that you have to #include <resolv.conf> on x86_64 in order to succesfully pull res_query() out of libresolv.so. You don't need to do this on x86, and the test program generated by AC_TRY_LINK_FUNC does not include any headers, but uses a manual prototype. So, what now?

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DMRaid in Fedora devel
by Mark Wormgoor 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

Hi, Attached are three patches that I made to get Fedora-devel to install on a bios sata raid-0 system (Sil 3112 on Abit AN7). It uses Heinz Mauelshagen's dmraid for detecting the disks. The first patch is against Anaconda. It removes the raid disks from the isys disklist and replaces them with the mapper device. The patch requires the full (not enable-mini) dmraid binary in the stage 2 image. I tested the patched Anaconda in install, upgrade and rescue mode (text and gui) and had no problems on my system. The second patch is against mkinitrd. It adds /sbin/dmraid.static to the initrd if necessary and updates the initscript. The /sbin/dmraid.static binary is not yet a part of the current dmraid rpm, so you need to provide your own. The third patch is against rc.sysinit so that dmraid.static is run at boot. Again, you need the full dmraid binary under /sbin/dmraid.static (not enable-mini) because the rc.sysinit script uses the testmode first before enabling the mapper devices. I now have a Fedora-devel system booting from my two raid-0 disks. Unfortunately, there is no bootloader for /dev/mapper devices. There is a patch against lilo to make it work on devmapper devices here (http://www.saout.de/misc/) and Eric Agsjö has a patch to make it work with raid-1 devices here (https://www.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2004-October/msg00007.html) I am still using lilo under FC1 (using the medley.o module) and that works for me. I hope someone finds these patches useful; it would be very nice if FC4 would install on and boot from these bios ide raid devices without too much hacking. Kind regards, Mark Wormgoor -- *************************************************************** * |\ /| | /| / Mark Wormgoor * * | \ / | | / | / mailto:mark@wormgoor.com * * | \/ |ark |/ |/ormgoor http://www.wormgoor.com/mark/ * ***************************************************************

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Emacs cvs snapshot packages available
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 10 Apr '05

10 Apr '05

I finally got round to packaging a snapshot of current development Emacs from CVS. Noone knows when the next actual release of Emacs will be, but there are many new features and changes: improved utf-8 and gtk2 support in particular. See http://people.redhat.com/petersen/emacs/ for more details. Enjoy and please report any problems directly to me (ie not to bugzilla or the emacs-devel list:), Jens

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Running with vm.overcommit_memory=2
by Ralf Ertzinger 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hi. After having firefox killed by the OOM-killer due to a totem running wild (and watching the killer churn the disks for 5 minutes to do so, what the heck is it doing?), I ventured to try a hard overcommit limit (which setting vm.overcommit_memory=2 does, to the best of my knowledge). The system in question has 640MB RAM, no swap. The result is that almost nothing works, even with plenty of memory free. It's even impossible to get a simple man page to display: [sun@nausicaa ~/src/gmemusage-0.2 :) 23]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 645152 366636 278516 0 16900 106340 -/+ buffers/cache: 243396 401756 Swap: 0 0 0 [sun@nausicaa ~/src/gmemusage-0.2 :) 24]$ man sysctl sh: fork: Cannot allocate memory sh: fork: Cannot allocate memory Error executing formatting or display command. System command (cd /usr/share/man && (echo ".ll 11.8i"; echo ".pl 1100i"; /usr/bin/gunzip -c '/usr/share/man/man8/sysctl.8.gz'; echo ".\\\""; echo ".pl \n(nlu+10") | /usr/bin/gtbl | nroff --legacy ISO-8859-1 -man -rLL=129n -rLT=129n 2>/dev/null | /usr/bin/less -iRs) exited with status 32768. No manual entry for sysctl The system has nearly 400MB of free memory. What does it take to display some lines of text these days? -- "It's one of those irregular verbs: I explore the possibilities of computing, you hack, he has been charged under section 2 of the computer misuse act..." -- Richard Watts

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Package pruning for FC4 and beyond
by Eric Warnke 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

I said it and now I'm doing it. I have started making a once over of the packages looking for dead/obsolete/unecessary core packages in core-testing. I have gone through .src.rpm's a*-e* and I have a breakdown of packages. These packages appear to be things that can either move to extras or be dropped. I am willing to pledge support for some of these packages if there is a call for their continued existance in extras, but not all. I have a feeling that some will drop completly out from lack of support. Lines with a '+' mean that they are a dependancy that is a logical remove as well. I have a small reason for each removal from core listed next to each. 'D:0' = nothing depends on these packages. Highly likley candidates ElectricFence - Development only ( many similar ) D:0 SDL* - kdeaddons is the only thing that depends on this + kdeaddons - small add on packages for stock kde apps *VFlib2 - only if we can break the ghostscript requireedby + MagicPoint - Duplicated functionality already in other packages Xaw3d - required by emacs + emacs ( pick emacs or xemacs and move the other to extras ) a2ps - used by Xfprint ( XFce - already moved to extras ) awesfx - OLD Soundblaster awe 32 util ( 2000 ) D:0 bogl* - kernel 2.2 fb graphics lib D:0 cdecl - C/C++ to English conversion D:0 dasher - obscure alternate input method D:0 ! 10MB dovecot - IMAP server ( duplication of effort ) epic - duplicate effort lynx - duplicate effort ( elinks ) Possible candidates Canna - Superceeded by IIMF - nothing depends ! 10MB Guppi apel - extras for emacs + ddskk - extra input methods for emacs + film - message encoding emacs + wl - imap/pop/nntp reader for emacs arptables_jf - specialized filtering of arp D:0 ccs - cluster config? cdlabelgen - does anyone use? D:0 cscope - c code browser - duplicate effort D:0 doxygen - Sorce code documentation generator D:0 autorun - functionality in most desktops already d:0 Cheers, Eric -- Eric Warnke Computer Programmer / Systems Analyst eric(a)snowmoon.com 518-727-1523 GPG Fingerprint: E7C5 615B 2115 C9D9 7E75 5088 930B 91E5 218B 6259 'There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong.' - H.L. Mencken

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Proposal: swap epic for irssi
by Colin Charles 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Hi, For FC-4, what would folk think about removing epic and replacing it with irssi in Core? irssi currently sits in Extras, and we could very likely just move epic to Extras after the swap. Thoughts? -- Colin Charles, byte(a)aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi

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Intel Pro Wireless cards
by Eric Warnke 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

After reviewing the archives of the various lists I have found no discussion on the topic of wireless driver inclusion in FC. I have checked with LICENSE and FAQ for the intel driver and firmware and was wondering if it could be included in core. Without those driver it makes most centrino based laptops useless without special handling. Specifically since I know people will ask, the problem must lie in the firmware since the driver is GPL. The firmware is under a commercial licence that allows redistribution as long as a small number of conditions are met. Distributed by rpm and installed the only condition that needs to be met is that the LICENCE file needs to be installed with the firmware. http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=1 "*Your rights to redistribute the Software shall be contingent upon your installation of this Agreement in its entirety in the same directory as the Software.*" So, is this a non-starter, or can this be accomodated by FC? I know this would be a bog help to the laptop users out there. At least if we can get the driver support in core so that each kernel release does not break laptop support I would be most grateful. Cheers, Eric

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reducing distribution CD count
by Gene C. 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

I have been following the various discussions of reducing the CD count and have the following comments: 1. I agree with those who want to expand the FC4 set to 5 CD images and then put the big reduction effort into the FC5 timeframe when anaconda can/should be able to handle multiple "respositories" (and, homefully, pup also). 2. Lets say something major which a lot of users will want is move out of the "core core" and into a secondary "repository" which will still be fully maintained by Red Hat employees. No flaming intended, but lets say this is kde and all kde associated applications. Now that would be a big chunk but it would also be something a lot of users would want. What is the current thinking about how this "secondary repository" will be available to the user? Furthermore, this must be done in such a manner that it is obvious that Red Hat is NOT slighting the packages involved. 3. Can someone point me to the mailing list where the discussions are being held about this future multiple repository? 4. I am a little concerned about the discussion of multiple repositories and getting the CD count does to below four. What I am reading into the "multiple repository" discussions so far is that there would be a small number of CD images but then the rest of the packages would be pulled in off the Internet. While this should work in most cases, there does exist a need to have stand-alone systems or small networks of systems which have no connectivity to the Internet. Currently, with everything on CD or DVD images, things work for these stand-alone systems. True, getting updates to these systems is a bit more work requiring downloading, burning to DVD or CD and then moving to the unconnected systems but it does work. If large pieces of the "core" is only available via the Internet, then this can cause a great deal of additional effort. 5. There was some mention of RHEL having "extra" packages which are not part of the RHEL on CDs. How does RHEL handle the extra packages for stand-alone systems? 6. Currently, I pick and choose a small number of extra packages from Fedora Extras and other rpm repositories. If large number of packages which a lot of individuals may want are moved into secondary repositories, how will things be handled? Will there be CD and/or DVD images available of these repositories? 7. Currently, I do everything installs of Fedora Core for many installations simply because it is easier than adding a lot of stuff manually ... even if this does include a lot of packages that I have no need to install ... it is just simpler to include them. However, doing "everything everything" installs which would include packages from a Core, Extended Core, Extras, and other repositories, does not sound like it would work. There must be a better way. My view of how installation should work is that the basic installation should be just that ... basic. Then, during firstboot (and available at later times too), you run something like pup (I hope this is the intent) to add additional packages and groupings of packages ... this does need to have the ability to select package installation/removal on an individual package basis. Large groupings of packages (e.g., KDE) should be available as CD or DVD images. Comments? -- Gene

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Why is sendmail bad?
by Kenneth Porter 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

There seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with sendmail in the call to replace it with Exim or Postfix, but I didn't see any specifics about why people object to it. Anyone care to give details? I'm using sendmail together with MIMEDefang to run SpamAssassin and ClamAV against messages during the SMTP transaction so that I can reject obvious spam and viruses before they're committed to a queue. MIMEDefang uses a user-edited Perl script to establish the exact rules for acceptance, making the system very flexible. How hard is that to set up in Postfix or Exim?

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