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Extreme memory usage for gnome-panel related apps
by Mark 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

// begin note i posted this in the fedora-list first but wasn't getting reply's that are discussing what i say below. And for the memory (in the text below).. Using it all up doesn't mean that it's used good. See it like your a rich guy. you can spend it all at once or just go easy on it. i would like to go for the latter one. + send to the gnome desktop devel list // end note Hey, i was just looking through the system monitor to see how my memory usage was doing and that gave me a impressive (negative way) result. I've made a screenshot [1] of it and edited it a little. The color that i added in mean: - darkred : extreme memory usage for..?? nothing? - red : gnome-panel related things (applets mostly) - orange : first applet UNDER one MB. Now if you take a look at the image you see that my current gnome session is taking up: 4.9 MB (gnome-panel) 3.5 MB (mixer_applet2) 3.0 MB (wnck-applet) 2.3 MB (nm-applet) 1.2 MB (notification-area-applet) 1.1 MB (gnome-volume-manager) 0.7 MB (bluetooth-applet) Totals to: 17.7 MB That is only the gnome-panel stuff with it's applets. if you are gonna take into account the stuff that is needed to run the applets (like python) than it will likely use a lot more but since those a can be used with other applications as well i will leave that out of it. Now there are still 3 more left in the list i highlighted. 1. Nautilus Oke.. this one is bothering me. at the time that i shot the screenshot nautilus was not open (at least not the file browser) and than it's taking up that much memory! that's just overkill! 2. gnome-settings-daemon Why does this need to run? what's the purpose of it? If it's just running for other programs to grab gnome settings (wild guess) than it's using up way to much RAM anyway. otherwise it has to go. 3. puplet Someone said this was efficient in Fedora 8.. doesn't look like it. (8 MB). Now the notebook i'm typing this on has 1GB om memory and runs Fedora fine so if i look at it that way than the ram usage is fine. but keep in mind the people with less memory (256 or 512 MB's) they are gonna get a hard time with this fedora. My total memory usage at the time of this writing is: 432.00 MB (with GIMP on.. if that's closed than it's "just" 400 MB). What i'm trying to say here is that those gnome-panel applets are taking up way to much memory regardless of the memory you can afford or have in your computer. It should just be as fast and small as possible with all the needed functions. 3.5 MB for the mixer applet (which doesn't even support pulseaudio streams and is really basic!) is just overkill (btw it's taking up 4.6 MB now). Perhaps all those applets need to be checked on memory usage? or a completely new gnome-panel + applets that just take up a few MB in total (instead of 17.7). Gnome and Fedora are currently looking fine the way they are. so perhaps it's time to stop spending time on features for a while (2 releases? till Fedora 10?) and start spending all time/money/efforts on performance memory usage and usability. And again for the memory. Having much doesn't need that it needs to use much! slow pc's with less memory should be able to run fedora right? Simple example. imagine that a slow 500 MHz pc with 512MB memory wants to run Fedora + compizfusion + Gimp. Now at this moment he must drop compiz or gimp. if that panel stuff was just using normal amounts of memory he would have been able to use all 3 (just a example!!) So.. is something gonna change with this memory abuse? [1] http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6821/screenshotsystemmonitoryh4.png

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DJB's software components
by Tom Callaway 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

Recently, most (all?) of Dan Bernstein's software was relicensed into the public domain. Please hold off on packaging and submitting these packages for review into Fedora, pending legal advice as to whether he can actually do that or not, under US law. Thanks, ~spot

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Bootup speed for F8
by Dimi Paun 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

Hi folks, I've currently upgraded to F8, congrats! Just thought of sharing a data-point for startup speed (measured from GRUB, so excluding all the BIOS stuff): * to graphical init: 30s * to login prompt: 1m8s * after login, to responsive state: 14s That's 1m22s to start. On a good desktop: Intel Duo 2.13GHz, 2GB RAM. With the BIOS thrown in, it takes over 2minutes to be able to get into the box. That's rather slow, no? -- Dimi Paun <dimi(a)lattica.com> Lattica, Inc.

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PROJECT BLACKHAT
by patrick quinn 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

hello team fedora me and my team are curentuly working on a reactos (http://www.reactos.org) based os called blackhat which is open source and 100% free.blackhats party piece is its ability to run not only win32 but linux applications nativily.blackhat plays host to the latest open source and gnu software and environments .it will ultimately use the gnome interface as the default gui and have xgl alike abilites.i was wondering if you would be willing to put your name to this project amd give you very minor help and in exchange you will have permenant ad space at the top of are webpage and other fedora promotions troughout the os (eg in the welcome center).we will not ask anything of significance from you just giving blackhat some of that unmistakeable fedora charm.i personally am a huge fan of your os and hence the reason we have come to you.we would really aprecieate a reply be it negitive or positive seasons greetings team blackhat _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Windows Live services now! http://get.live.com

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Development Docs (Rhythmbox, in particular)
by Richi Plana 03 Dec '07

03 Dec '07

Hi, Now that we have a Developer spin, perhaps package maintainers can give some thought to packaging development docs as well. Rhythmbox, specifically, deletes all the gtk-doc files. Perhaps now we can package them in rhythmbox-devel-doc or something as well as sample plugin code? Things that developers would find useful. -- Richi Plana

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mounting removable media never seems to work
by Florin Andrei 02 Dec '07

02 Dec '07

Mounting USB sticks, DVDs, CDs, etc - this works flawlessly with other distributions I've tried (Ubuntu), but with Fedora it's something that seems to stop working randomly, whenever the packages update to jour changes something in the system. I've a F7 system, fully updated, and now when I insert a USB stick, I get the HAL error "permission denied: not in active session". This is annoying because it's something that's supposed to just work. It does work in Ubuntu. Heck, it works fine in XP. But not in Fedora. Moreover, it's not a new thing. Previous releases of Fedora used to display this same problem, which never seems to be solved completely. It's like "removable media? who cares whether it works properly or not?" Come one, people, wake up. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/

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Please, make lftp orphaned!!!
by Alain PORTAL 02 Dec '07

02 Dec '07

Hi, I ask for orphaning lftp because package maintainer doesn't maintain this package since a long time. I asked for an updated in june, the 1st, for the 3.5.11 version, released on 2007-04-11 :-( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=242112 http://lftp.yar.ru/events.html There is now a 3.5.14 release since 2 weeks. All these releases fix bugs. Regards, An angry lftp user -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr/

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kde-4.0(rc1) hitting rawhide Dec 1-7
by Rex Dieter 30 Nov '07

30 Nov '07

(I sent this to fedora-devel-announce earlier this morning, but didn't see any copy land in fedora-devel, so here ya go). Now that the KDE 4.0 RC1 is available (and development churn has slowed), the KDE SIG will be working towards incorporating as much of kde-4.0 (rc1) into rawhide the week of Dec 1-7. The gory outline of making all of this work are detailed on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 The challenge will be replacing the current kde3-based desktop with a kde4-based one, while at the same time still providing a kde3 development platform (ie, so one can still build/run kde3 applications). This announcement serves two primary purposes: 1. Serve notice to expect kde-related borkage the week of Dec 1-7. 2. Inform kde(3)-based package maintainers that spec-files that currently include constructs like: BuildRequires: kdelibs-devel BuildRequires: kdebase-devel will need to be updated to BuildRequires: kdelibs3-devel BuildRequires: kdebase3-devel instead. These kde*3 virtual Provides are in place now (in all F7+ branches, and without Epoch's too, btw), so there's no need to wait to make this change. Likewise, kde4-based applications can/should include constructs like BuildRequires: kdelibs4-devel (avoiding references to just kdelibs-devel which can be ambiguous). -- Rex

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Re: Versioning svn checkouts [Was: Re: alpha/beta software in Fedora 8?]
by Nicolas Mailhot 30 Nov '07

30 Nov '07

Le Jeu 29 novembre 2007 11:06, Petr Machata a écrit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> For git that would not be a number but for svn any shuffling >> upstream >> does in its VCS can result in revision number changes, so relying on >> them to identify sources is a big no-go. > > So you are telling that I could get two different source trees by > checking out some given revision X from svn at two different times? I'm saying that srpms have a long live, and that with svn if you request revision $number 5 years later if upstream has re-done its svn in the meanwhile what you'll get is not what you got 5 years before. -- Nicolas Mailhot

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Build Failures November 30 2007
by Mike McGrath 30 Nov '07

30 Nov '07

If you experienced build failures today with: Executing /usr/sbin/mock-helper yum --installroot /var/lib/mock/dist-f9-build-84928-10845/root install buildsys-build Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-headers >= 2.2.1 is needed by package glibc-headers Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-headers is needed by package glibc-headers Please re-submit the build. -Mike

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