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"Please split doc into foo-doc subpackage" -> why?
by Bill Nottingham 31 Mar '09

31 Mar '09

I just recieved one of these bugs (#492446), and I'm not sure why we'd do this for any package. If we split the docs like this: - it would be inconsistent per-package -- so an admin wouldn't know whether a package had docs or not in the main package without manually trying to install a foo-doc subpackage -- they would no longer be there by default if they're needed Hence, why do this, when rpm already has a --nodocs flag and macro that can be used for space savings on live images? Bill

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Agenda for the 2009-03-31 Packaging Committee meeting
by Jason L Tibbitts III 31 Mar '09

31 Mar '09

The Packaging Committee will meet Tuesday, 2009-03-31 at 17:00UTC in the #fedora-meeting channel on chat.freenode.net. FPC works from the agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/GuidelinesTodo; here are some things which should be brought up for discussion at the next meeting: Common Package Names - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_package_names_packaging_guideline_draft FPC has discussed this at multiple previous meetings and continues to refine the draft. Publican Packages - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Publican_Documentation_Packages Users who wish to bring proposals before the committee are encouraged to read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Committee#Guideline_Change_Procedu… Anyone is welcome to create drafts under https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts and to update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/DraftsTodo; such updates will automatically appear on our agenda. - J<

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Want to package gnome-do-plugins
by Huzaifa Sidhpurwala 31 Mar '09

31 Mar '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, It seems that upstream has separated the gnome-do-plugins from the parent package and since then nobody has packaged it, I want to go ahead and package it, but just want to confirm if any one else is already on it. Thanks. - -- Regards, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) GnuPG Fingerprint: 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ0enkzHDc8tpb2uURAu/mAJ0S4eGojglQhbzQoYj2FbToU3MyhQCeL8U/ 97lXz5QQhimFfR6j0aQY8YY= =zukP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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System Config Tools Cleanup Project - tools to eliminate/replace
by Jaroslav Reznik 31 Mar '09

31 Mar '09

Hi all (interested in system config tools;-). We are working on System Configurations Tools Cleanup Project we need Fedora community opinion on this subject. Some s-c-* tools are now very outdated, some are replaced with better solution, some are only used in Anaconda etc. This is a short list of application that could be eliminated/replaced/enhanced in short/long term from Fedora. I've prepared it simple and clean to support further discussion, maybe some other tool is missing... * system-config-netboot - very outdated - replacements k12linux, cobbler * system-config-boot - at least it needs facelift and it's not very usable at all * system-config-display - xrandr should be used for resolution/dualhead configuration, Gnome & KDE have own xrandr based display configuration tool - generates xorg.conf - it's not needed anymore (only if someone needs more expert configuration) * system-config-network - replacement NetworkManager - missing IPv6? routing? * system-config-date - Gnome/KDE/XFCE have own datetime configuration tool/module, it's confusing than which one users should use - used in firstboot or anaconda??? * system-config-keyboard - used only in Anaconda, let it be standalone? - very simple tool, Gnome/KDE have better one * system-config-httpd - old GTK 1 application, should be ported to GTK 2 & PolicyKit * switchdesk and system-switch-tools? - it's possible to switch desktop in GDM/KDM - one tool for switching all alternatives? --- Expect more spam from us regarding cleanup project - we already have s-c-* tools reviews, so we will fill bugs soon (with some guidelines on list), nearly all s-c-* tools need to be ported to PolicyKit and so on ;-) Happy system config tools hacking System Config Cleanup Team -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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proposition for media players and proriatry codecs
by Adel ESSAFI 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

Hi list I would like to ask if it is possible to add a module for rhythembox (and other media player) so that when they need some codecs (like mms or mp3), they ask the user to install it directly. I know that rpmfusion make that easy, but, I think that with such feature, fedora will be easier for starters! Regards Adel -- http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/ -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique 1001 Tunis Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166

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Fedora 11 early branch now available.
by Jesse Keating 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

For those of you that wish to separate Fedora 11 stabalization work from future development, we are now ready to process branch requests for F-11. If you branch your package early, builds from your new F-11 branch will continue to go to the Fedora 11 targets. dist-f11 for now, and eventually dist-f11-updates-candidate. Builds from devel/ will be sent to dist-f12 and will be held for the Fedora 12 rawhide once we get Fedora 11 out the door. To request a branch, please continue to use the cvsadmin request method: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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2009-03-26 - Fedora Test Day - Nouveau graphics driver
by James Laska 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

Greetings testers, Adam Williamson and Ben Skeggs have lined up an exciting Fedora Test Day topic. This Thursday, March 26 will focus on testing the new nouveau graphics driver. If the Intel graphics test day [1] was any indication, this will be a busy event. As outlined in the NouveauAsDefault feature page [2], the nouveau driver will be replacing the previous 'nv' driver for nVidia chipsets. There are several notable improvements including RANDR 1.2 support and accelerated XRENDER support. To determine if you have the required hardware, run the following command: # /sbin/lspci -d 10de: | grep -iq VGA && echo "Join Nouveau Fedora Test Day" So come join #fedora-qa this Thursday, March 26, 2009 to share your Nouveau graphics test results. A Fedora live image will be available to aid testing. Stay tuned for more details are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-24. Thanks, James [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/2009-03-12 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NouveauAsDefault _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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rpm will not package debugging files on f-9
by Jochen Schmitt 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

Hallo, because there is a plan to upgrade qt on F-9 to the release qt-4.5, I have try to build stellarium-0.10.2-2 on F-9. Unfortunately I have got the following error messages: make[1]: Entering directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/stellarium-0.10.2' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `preinstall'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/stellarium-0.10.2' Install the project... /usr/bin/cmake -P cmake_install.cmake -- Install configuration: "Release" -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/stellarium.ico -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/ssystem.ini -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/zone.tab -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/base_locations.txt -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/default_config.ini -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/constellations_boundaries.dat -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/fontmap.dat -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/iso639-1.utf8 -- Installing: /var/tmp/stellarium-0.10.2-2.fc9-root-mockbuild/usr/share/stellarium/data/countryCodes.dat The whole build log you may find at: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1266084&name=build.log Because this doesn't happens on F-10 and devel, I want if anyone has a hint to solve this issue. Best Regards: Jochen Schmitt

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Qt 4.5 coming to Fedora 9 and 10, license changing to LGPL
by Kevin Kofler 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

Hi, We are working on providing Qt 4.5.0 as updates for Fedora 9 and 10. The updates have already been built. They will be tagged into the buildroots for Fedora 9 and 10 shortly after this announcement is sent, in order for KDE 4 packages to get rebuilt against it, as some KDE modules are highly dependent on the Qt version used to build them and check the Qt version at build time. (Therefore, we timed the Qt upgrade to coincide with the KDE 4.2.2 update, which we will be packaging during the next few days.) From there, the Qt 4.5.0 updates will be pushed to updates-testing and eventually the stable updates together with KDE 4.2.2. If you maintain any Qt-4-based package, please: * check if your package needs patching or rebuilding to fully work with Qt 4.5. The update is normally backwards-compatible, so almost all packages are expected to work with no changes. However, due to bugs in some applications and bugs in Qt 4.4 which were being worked around, there are some rare cases where patches are needed. If you are aware of any such patches, please apply them to Rawhide immediately if not already done, then to Fedora 9 and 10 as soon as Qt 4.5 is in the buildroots. Once you have the patched or rebuilt version built, please talk to us on #fedora-kde or the fedora-kde mailing list to have your package included into the Qt 4.5 update group. * check if your package can benefit from getting rebuilt against Qt 4.5 for some other reason, e.g. new features which require Qt 4.5 at build time, or a new upstream version requiring Qt 4.5 to build. If so, please proceed as above. * make sure you DO NOT push out an update which was built against Qt 4.5 before Qt 4.5 itself (as the compatibility is only unidirectional, i.e. packages built against Qt 4.5 will most likely NOT work with Qt 4.4). If you need to build and push an urgent update to a Qt-4-using package (e.g. a security update), please talk to Rex Dieter (via e-mail or IRC) to get Qt 4.5 temporarily untagged from the buildroot so you can build it against Qt 4.4. We are pushing this update to the stable releases of Fedora for 4 reasons: * some packages benefit vastly from the improvements in Qt 4.5, in particular Arora hugely benefits from the major improvements in QtWebKit, * it fixes several bugs in the Qt 4.4 series, * it will be required for KDE 4.3 (and some other software) and * at least one package in a third-party repository is waiting for the license change (see below) for license compatibility reasons. As it is a backwards-compatible update, we do not expect major disruption. Compatibility issues with Qt 4.5 have already been identified and fixed during the weeks Qt 4.5 has been in Rawhide, so they should all be resolved by now. Please also note that, as already announced when the new version hit Rawhide, the license has changed from: GPLv2 with exceptions or GPLv3 with exceptions to: LGPLv2 with exceptions or GPLv3 with exceptions which is more permissive. For the Fedora KDE SIG, Kevin Kofler

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WEP Index Missing F11 Network Manager?
by Christopher Stone 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

Hi, I tried a live cd for the nouveau test day, and when I tried entering in my WEP key into Network Manager I was unable to specify the WEP index that I use and was unable to connect. Am I missing something here? Why is this option no longer available in NetworkManager's Wireless Security settings dialog?

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