Hi,
I am involved in a student group on FIT of Czech Technical University in Prague - in that group, we focus on 3D printing (RepRap).
3D printing needs a set of software on a control PC, such as some kind of 3D modeller (we're currently using OpenSCAD), a slicer (to convert a 3D model to set of instructions for the printer, we're currently using skeinforge and/or Slic3r) and printer interface software (currently Printrun).
Installing this basic set of tools on a Linux machine is painful, they aren't usually available in repositories, compiling them includes compiling a bunch of dependencies and we usually end up using binary executables from a tar or git cloning plenty of python scripts. Desktop files and menu entries -> you don't get what you don't create yourself.
I am currently working on adding this software to Fedora: https://github.com/hroncok/SPECS/
But that is not where I want to stop. I'd like to create a Fedora RepRap spin and make Fedora the best choice for 3D print guys.
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
Miro Hrončok
Jabber: miro@hroncok.cz Telefon: +420777974800
On 10/29/2012 01:59 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
I'm interested! I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense, but packaging these apps up and making sure they work well definitely does!
I'm wondering what sort of printers people have at the moment, since I believe that it would be very helpful for us to package known configurations for the slicer(s).
I don't currently have a 3d printer, but I hope to be remedying that soon!
~tom
== Fedora Project
Hi,
I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense
Well, it makes for me. Lot's of memebers of our group at university asks me: What Linux distro should I grap for 3D printing? If we have a 3D printing spin, I could point them directly to that.
I'm wondering what sort of printers people have at the moment, since I believe that it would be very helpful for us to package known configurations for the slicer(s).
I am not sure, if this is going to work, from my point of view, the slicing profiles are very machine and material specific. You can get a very huge number of profiles.
Thanks for your offer to help. Miro Hrončok
Jabber: miro@hroncok.cz Telefon: +420777974800
2012/10/29 Tom Callaway tcallawa@redhat.com:
On 10/29/2012 01:59 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
I'm interested! I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense, but packaging these apps up and making sure they work well definitely does!
I'm wondering what sort of printers people have at the moment, since I believe that it would be very helpful for us to package known configurations for the slicer(s).
I don't currently have a 3d printer, but I hope to be remedying that soon!
~tom
== Fedora Project
Hi,
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:15:06 +0100 Miro Hrončok miro@hroncok.cz wrote:
I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense
Well, it makes for me. Lot's of memebers of our group at university asks me: What Linux distro should I grap for 3D printing? If we have a 3D printing spin, I could point them directly to that.
You don't need that. You can just tell them to use Fedora and install the printrun package (example). If there was a spin for every activity out there, Fedora would have literally, and i mean it, thousands of spins.
You just need to watch out for those binary executables and such, because Fedora Guidelines are quite strict about inclusion of binary, patented or non-free software.
I'm wondering what sort of printers people have at the moment, since I believe that it would be very helpful for us to package known configurations for the slicer(s).
I am not sure, if this is going to work, from my point of view, the slicing profiles are very machine and material specific. You can get a very huge number of profiles.
Once you get involved, we can work out a way of distributing the profiles, be it RPM packages or not.
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From: "Tomas Radej" tradej@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 7:31:37 PM Subject: Re: 3D printing in Fedora
Hi,
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:15:06 +0100 Miro Hrončok miro@hroncok.cz wrote:
I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense
Well, it makes for me. Lot's of memebers of our group at university asks me: What Linux distro should I grap for 3D printing? If we have a 3D printing spin, I could point them directly to that.
You don't need that. You can just tell them to use Fedora and install the printrun package (example). If there was a spin for every activity out there, Fedora would have literally, and i mean it, thousands of spins.
I think the time to discuss if a spin is needed or not hasn't come yet. Now, the primary goal should be to get all the tool in Fedora. When that's done, they should probably go for a package group to give users an easy way to install those tools. And then if the initiative gets a traction and attracts a lot of people I don't see a reason why they can't have a spin.
You just need to watch out for those binary executables and such, because Fedora Guidelines are quite strict about inclusion of binary, patented or non-free software.
Miro attended our packaging workshop where we went through this, so I think he's aware of that. As I followed his effort to package the tools, I could see that he had difficulties to package some tools because of legal issues. One tool required 23 packages of Perl CPANs and some of them come with no license. That's one of the main challenges this 3D print effort will have to face.
I'm wondering what sort of printers people have at the moment, since I believe that it would be very helpful for us to package known configurations for the slicer(s).
I am not sure, if this is going to work, from my point of view, the slicing profiles are very machine and material specific. You can get a very huge number of profiles.
Once you get involved, we can work out a way of distributing the profiles, be it RPM packages or not.
Miro didn't mention that, but he has already proposed two packages for review and is waiting for a sponsor/reviewer. Someone willing to sponsor showed up today, but he has already created spec files for 28 packages, so there is a lot to review. It's where he'd definitely appreciate help now :)
Jiri
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 05:02:17PM -0400, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
I think the time to discuss if a spin is needed or not hasn't come yet. Now, the primary goal should be to get all the tool in Fedora. When that's done, they should probably go for a package group to give users an easy way to install those tools. And then if the initiative gets a traction and attracts a lot of people I don't see a reason why they can't have a spin.
I think it's not really a matter of "can't have". It's a matter of "maybe not the best use of energy". Take a look at the numbers for the top spins this release, over on the right column of this page:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
I don't think this is because KDE or XFCE aren't popular among Fedora users. People just don't get the via spins. And that's even more true for non-desktop spins.
How accurate are these numbers? I know I've downloaded the XFCE spin at least 8 times from different computers on different networks and that counter hasn't even gone up by 1. The torrent reports just under 600 for the "downloaded" count as well.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 05:02:17PM -0400, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
I think the time to discuss if a spin is needed or not hasn't come yet. Now, the primary goal should be to get all the tool in Fedora. When
that's
done, they should probably go for a package group to give users an easy way to install those tools. And then if the initiative gets a traction
and
attracts a lot of people I don't see a reason why they can't have a spin.
I think it's not really a matter of "can't have". It's a matter of "maybe not the best use of energy". Take a look at the numbers for the top spins this release, over on the right column of this page:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
I don't think this is because KDE or XFCE aren't popular among Fedora users. People just don't get the via spins. And that's even more true for non-desktop spins.
-- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ < mattdm@fedoraproject.org> -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org To: "Jiri Eischmann" eischmann@redhat.com, "Development discussions related to Fedora" devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:13:20 PM Subject: Re: 3D printing in Fedora
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 05:02:17PM -0400, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
I think the time to discuss if a spin is needed or not hasn't come yet. Now, the primary goal should be to get all the tool in Fedora. When that's done, they should probably go for a package group to give users an easy way to install those tools. And then if the initiative gets a traction and attracts a lot of people I don't see a reason why they can't have a spin.
I think it's not really a matter of "can't have". It's a matter of "maybe not the best use of energy". Take a look at the numbers for the top spins this release, over on the right column of this page:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
I don't think this is because KDE or XFCE aren't popular among Fedora users. People just don't get the via spins. And that's even more true for non-desktop spins.
Are those numbers correct? They seem ridiculously small even for something people don't use. Isn't it a daily count? Anyway, the desktop spins make sense at least for our multidesktop live DVDs which are very appreciated by users in my experience.
Jiri
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Tom Callaway tcallawa@redhat.com wrote:
On 10/29/2012 01:59 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
I'm interested! I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense, but packaging these apps up and making sure they work well definitely does!
There are two other approaches that may work besides a spin.
1. An empty payload meta package that pulls in the all the requirements 2. A "3D Printing" group.
Richard
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 13:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Tom Callaway tcallawa@redhat.com wrote:
On 10/29/2012 01:59 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
I'm interested! I'm not sure that a separate 3d printing spin makes a lot of sense, but packaging these apps up and making sure they work well definitely does!
There are two other approaches that may work besides a spin.
- An empty payload meta package that pulls in the all the requirements
- A "3D Printing" group.
By policy, 2) is preferred to 1) in Fedora. Fedora is supposed to have groups, not metapackages.
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Miro Hrončok wrote:
I am involved in a student group on FIT of Czech Technical University in Prague - in that group, we focus on 3D printing (RepRap).
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
I'll gladly help with packaging the tools. We have a makerbot and an ultimaker here, which also uses openscap and tools.
Paul
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 18:59 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
I am currently working on adding this software to Fedora: https://github.com/hroncok/SPECS/
This is great! I would try to help on that. We have a Makerbot and soon a RepRap at the local Hackerspace we can use for testing, and an Ultimaker at the organization I work.
I would suggest we expand this effort to Fabrication in general, not just 3D printing, and see available Free Software not yet packaged for Fedora that can be useful for Fablabs (for instance: LinuxCNC).
Hi again.
I just want to inform you I've created the wiki page about 3D Printing in Fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/3D_Printing
Feel free to add anything there, review a package or help by testing.
Happy new year. Miro Hrončok
Jabber: miro@hroncok.cz Telefon: +420777974800
2012/10/29 Miro Hrončok miro@hroncok.cz:
Hi,
I am involved in a student group on FIT of Czech Technical University in Prague - in that group, we focus on 3D printing (RepRap).
3D printing needs a set of software on a control PC, such as some kind of 3D modeller (we're currently using OpenSCAD), a slicer (to convert a 3D model to set of instructions for the printer, we're currently using skeinforge and/or Slic3r) and printer interface software (currently Printrun).
Installing this basic set of tools on a Linux machine is painful, they aren't usually available in repositories, compiling them includes compiling a bunch of dependencies and we usually end up using binary executables from a tar or git cloning plenty of python scripts. Desktop files and menu entries -> you don't get what you don't create yourself.
I am currently working on adding this software to Fedora: https://github.com/hroncok/SPECS/
But that is not where I want to stop. I'd like to create a Fedora RepRap spin and make Fedora the best choice for 3D print guys.
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
Miro Hrončok
Jabber: miro@hroncok.cz Telefon: +420777974800
On Sun, 2012-12-30 at 10:43 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Hi again.
I just want to inform you I've created the wiki page about 3D Printing in Fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/3D_Printing
Feel free to add anything there, review a package or help by testing.
Happy new year. Miro Hrončok
Jabber: miro@hroncok.cz Telefon: +420777974800
2012/10/29 Miro Hrončok miro@hroncok.cz:
Hi,
I am involved in a student group on FIT of Czech Technical University in Prague - in that group, we focus on 3D printing (RepRap).
3D printing needs a set of software on a control PC, such as some kind of 3D modeller (we're currently using OpenSCAD), a slicer (to convert a 3D model to set of instructions for the printer, we're currently using skeinforge and/or Slic3r) and printer interface software (currently Printrun).
Installing this basic set of tools on a Linux machine is painful, they aren't usually available in repositories, compiling them includes compiling a bunch of dependencies and we usually end up using binary executables from a tar or git cloning plenty of python scripts. Desktop files and menu entries -> you don't get what you don't create yourself.
I am currently working on adding this software to Fedora: https://github.com/hroncok/SPECS/
But that is not where I want to stop. I'd like to create a Fedora RepRap spin and make Fedora the best choice for 3D print guys.
At this point, I would like to gather people interested in 3D printing and eventually create a 3D printing SIG. Would anyone be interested and help me?
Miro Hrončok
Jabber: miro@hroncok.cz Telefon: +420777974800
Thanks, Miro, I have used OpenSCAD to create two different projects. I hired Jay (jay@makerblock.com) to actually print the parts. They come out with a sort of satin finish (I think that is from the 0.3mm print resolution of the maker bot) The ABS is difficult to sand, and the PLA is nearly impossible to sand according to the gentleman who finalized the construction of our projects.
I used OpenSCAD to create the parts and the tolerance was so good that I got just a bit of friction when I put them together. We used screws in the final assembly, but the material welds easily as described by Jay using acetone.
I still want a Makerbot, but I haven't enough projects (or maker bucks) yet to get one.
Using FEL for design with OpenSCAD, Mplab for picwork (I still have not gotten success with the open source tools, and MPLAB is free as well) and my friend simulating the various components, we completed the whole project from idea to end prototypes in less than 9 months. And the fit and finish are wonderful. The product has not yet made it into production, but I am still hopeful.
By the way, Jay was extremely helpful. I would highly recommend him to anyone. I hope he is still doing this.
regards, Les H
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