F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
Hi,
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
I think the NetworkManager issue is a confusion between control and monitoring. I've mentioned this before in another context, but there seems to be no reason why these two things should be considered the same. Just because NetworkManager isn't controlling a device doesn't mean that it shouldn't monitor the up/down state of the device and update the applications' idea of the network being up/down accordingly,
Steve.
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +0000, Steven Whitehouse wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
I think the NetworkManager issue is a confusion between control and monitoring. I've mentioned this before in another context, but there seems to be no reason why these two things should be considered the same. Just because NetworkManager isn't controlling a device doesn't mean that it shouldn't monitor the up/down state of the device and update the applications' idea of the network being up/down accordingly,
NetworkManager provides a consistent API for applications to use to interogate the networking situation of the machine. This includes a consistent configuration mechanism and information about the connections in-use, including a nice "human name". It includes a per-connection identifier that applications can (and do!) use to perform specific operations when connection state changes. Part of the problem is that if these aren't provided, you loose quite a lot of functionality and usefulness.
You can't match up current network config with specific configuration information stored on-disk because there's nothing keeping track of what's happening on the system.
It's a lot harder to, say, have Evolution only check your mail when your VPN is up.
There's no tracking of connection dependencies so that if say your mobile broadband device goes down and you've got a VPN up, the VPN stays up and just hangs. Or tie VPN and other connections together so that they come up and go down at the same time.
There's no consistent tracking of connection time and data usage which NM will soon be doing.
That's just the start. I'd assert that good, useful monitoring *requires* a lot of information that only the controller knows. The problem is that in the old system, there was no controller; ifup/ifdown are basically like terrorist cells upon pain of death have almost no knowledge of anything else on the system. Which is why NM attempts to tie a lot of that together in one central location, including configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment.
Dan
On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +0000, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment.
Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is "what if NM is broken," which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs.
--CJD
Dan
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:54:22PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote:
On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +0000, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment.
Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is "what if NM is broken," which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs.
I will send you a check for $5 if you configure your mailer to do line breaks properly. I am not joking.
josh
On 11/30/2009 03:26 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:54:22PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote:
On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +0000, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment.
Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is "what if NM is broken," which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs.
I will send you a check for $5 if you configure your mailer to do line breaks properly. I am not joking.
josh
*facepalm* T-bird strikes again.
Can I claim the money if I just switch mailers, because I'm due.
--CJD
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 03:28:55PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote:
On 11/30/2009 03:26 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:54:22PM -0500, Casey Dahlin wrote:
On 11/30/2009 01:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:05 +0000, Steven Whitehouse wrote: configuration, control, and monitoring. Yes, it's harder for experts to create a world-dominating robot with duct tape and bailing wire because most of the parts are already assembled, but for most people it provides a ready-to-use solution with great integration possibilities into your system environment.
Then stop shipping the duct tape and bailing wire. If things outside of NM aren't going to work right or are going to break other stuff, get rid of them. The only reason not to is "what if NM is broken," which is a moot point since offering a broken interface to use as a backup in case another interface is broken makes no sense. Stick with the one we're interested in supporting and deal with that set of bugs.
I will send you a check for $5 if you configure your mailer to do line breaks properly. I am not joking.
josh
*facepalm* T-bird strikes again.
Can I claim the money if I just switch mailers, because I'm due.
I'd count that. I'll watch for a week and if things seem better I'll send your check after you send me your address :).
josh
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@gmail.com wrote:
I'd count that. Â I'll watch for a week and if things seem better I'll send your check after you send me your address :).
Will you pay me $5 to not switch to t-bird?
-jef
On 30/11/09 09:55, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
Don't know about the reason, but on my work desktop (where we have LDAP auth and NFS home dirs), I can still use NetworkManager in F12:
* Make sure your LAN interfaces are marked "available to all users" in NetworkManager (I think this corresponds to "ONBOOT=yes" in /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-eth*)
* Add to /etc/sysconfig/network:
NETWORKWAIT=true
This should bring the network up before netfs.
Unfortunately I've had to revert to the old network service because I need bridged networking for my virt guests; there was a plan to support this in NetworkManager in F-12 (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerBridging) but nothing seems to have happened with that, though I see there is a similar feature proposed for F-13 (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Shared_Network_Interface).
Paul.
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote:
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode.
Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ?
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ...
Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network.
When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ...
I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with "service network start" and the WiFi light is off. It looks like NM has done something like powered down my WiFi chip ? (Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG IBM Thinkpad R52)
Another thing, I would need NETWORKWAIT=yes as I have ypbind enabled. Maybe ypbind should be modified to not start when the network is down and also added to /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d ?
Cheers
Terry
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 19:52 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: > If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current > network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. > > Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? >
This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a bug against firefox. I know one can change toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, which I don't expect it to as I am connected.
Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ...
Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network.
When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ...
I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with "service network start" and the WiFi light is off. It looks like NM has done something like powered down my WiFi chip ? (Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG IBM Thinkpad R52)
Another thing, I would need NETWORKWAIT=yes as I have ypbind enabled. Maybe ypbind should be modified to not start when the network is down and also added to /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d ?
NM has two types of connection: system and user (see http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration ). NM treats ifcfg files as system connections and thus they are available at boot time and before login. I had assumed that since your connection was working correctly with the 'network' service that it was also a system connection. What is the result of 'ls /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*' and what are the contents of /var/log/messages when the device is not correctly connected on bootup?
Before logging in, can you also drop to a VT, log in, and run 'nm-tool' for me?
THanks, Dan
On 12/01/2009 07:50 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 19:52 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: >> If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current >> network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. >> >> Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? >> > > This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a > bug against firefox. I know one can change > toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our > users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect > me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and > once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, > which I don't expect it to as I am connected. > Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ...
Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network.
When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ...
I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with "service network start" and the WiFi light is off. It looks like NM has done something like powered down my WiFi chip ? (Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG IBM Thinkpad R52)
Another thing, I would need NETWORKWAIT=yes as I have ypbind enabled. Maybe ypbind should be modified to not start when the network is down and also added to /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d ?
NM has two types of connection: system and user (see http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration ). NM treats ifcfg files as system connections and thus they are available at boot time and before login. I had assumed that since your connection was working correctly with the 'network' service that it was also a system connection. What is the result of 'ls /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*' and what are the contents of /var/log/messages when the device is not correctly connected on bootup?
Before logging in, can you also drop to a VT, log in, and run 'nm-tool' for me?
THanks, Dan
Hi Dan,
As far as I am aware my connections are "system" connections. I have configured the Network interfaces using the system-config-network tool. When I use the "network" service the eth1 wireless network comes up fine at boot. When I use NetworkManager the eth1 wireless network does not come up at boot. There is the error: "Waiting for network... [FAILED]" If the NetworkManger service is running (eth1 has not come up) and I run "service network start" the eth1 interface still does not come up. If I stop the NetworkManger service and again run "service network start" then the eth1 interface comes up ...
The configuration files are: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files are there: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Vodaphone
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 is: # Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection DEVICE=eth1 HWADDR=00:16:6F:8A:E1:95 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto RATE=auto ESSID=beamwifi CHANNEL=
Section of /var/log/messages attached. Output of nm-tool attached.
nm-tool also outputs the error on stderr: ** (process:1492): WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings was not provided by any .service files
Cheers
Terry
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:24 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 12/01/2009 07:50 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 19:52 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: > On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: >> 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: >>> If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current >>> network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. >>> >>> Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? >>> >> >> This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a >> bug against firefox. I know one can change >> toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our >> users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect >> me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and >> once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, >> which I don't expect it to as I am connected. >> > Ok, filed as: 542078
NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then you may not want to use NetworkManager.
In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we should follow up on that bug instead.
Dan
I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ...
Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network.
When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ...
I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with "service network start" and the WiFi light is off. It looks like NM has done something like powered down my WiFi chip ? (Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG IBM Thinkpad R52)
Another thing, I would need NETWORKWAIT=yes as I have ypbind enabled. Maybe ypbind should be modified to not start when the network is down and also added to /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d ?
NM has two types of connection: system and user (see http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration ). NM treats ifcfg files as system connections and thus they are available at boot time and before login. I had assumed that since your connection was working correctly with the 'network' service that it was also a system connection. What is the result of 'ls /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*' and what are the contents of /var/log/messages when the device is not correctly connected on bootup?
Before logging in, can you also drop to a VT, log in, and run 'nm-tool' for me?
THanks, Dan
Hi Dan,
As far as I am aware my connections are "system" connections. I have configured the Network interfaces using the system-config-network tool. When I use the "network" service the eth1 wireless network comes up fine at boot. When I use NetworkManager the eth1 wireless network does not come up at boot. There is the error: "Waiting for network... [FAILED]" If the NetworkManger service is running (eth1 has not come up) and I run "service network start" the eth1 interface still does not come up. If I stop the NetworkManger service and again run "service network start" then the eth1 interface comes up ...
The configuration files are: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files are there: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Vodaphone
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 is: # Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection DEVICE=eth1 HWADDR=00:16:6F:8A:E1:95 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto
^^^^ This is the problem. "Auto" is not a valid mode.
Dec 1 09:59:05 think NetworkManager: ifcfg-rh: error: Invalid mode 'auto' (not 'Ad-Hoc' or 'Managed')
you'll probably be seeing something on the console when running "ifup eth1" like this:
Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
Since all ifup-wireless does is send $MODE to iwconfig, and "auto" is not a valid mode.
Dan
RATE=auto ESSID=beamwifi CHANNEL=
Section of /var/log/messages attached. Output of nm-tool attached.
nm-tool also outputs the error on stderr: ** (process:1492): WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings was not provided by any .service files
Cheers
Terry
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On 12/02/2009 09:32 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:24 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 12/01/2009 07:50 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 19:52 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: >> On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: >>> 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: >>>> If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current >>>> network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. >>>> >>>> Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? >>>> >>> >>> This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest open up a >>> bug against firefox. I know one can change >>> toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA for our >>> users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not connect >>> me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial does and >>> once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, >>> which I don't expect it to as I am connected. >>> >> Ok, filed as: 542078 > > NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet connection. > If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet connection, then > you may not want to use NetworkManager. > > In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real bug here > is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, and we > should follow up on that bug instead. > > Dan > I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection that also serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network server which provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally use the service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for this. Fedora, by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices though. I use the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager service is started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there a reason for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have done on the desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can roam. In F11 and before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When the laptop boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then use the NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or G3 network is available.
It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides applications with info on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The NetworkManager service seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are starting to use it for this purpose. So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ...
Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network.
When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ...
I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with "service network start" and the WiFi light is off. It looks like NM has done something like powered down my WiFi chip ? (Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG IBM Thinkpad R52)
Another thing, I would need NETWORKWAIT=yes as I have ypbind enabled. Maybe ypbind should be modified to not start when the network is down and also added to /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d ?
NM has two types of connection: system and user (see http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration ). NM treats ifcfg files as system connections and thus they are available at boot time and before login. I had assumed that since your connection was working correctly with the 'network' service that it was also a system connection. What is the result of 'ls /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*' and what are the contents of /var/log/messages when the device is not correctly connected on bootup?
Before logging in, can you also drop to a VT, log in, and run 'nm-tool' for me?
THanks, Dan
Hi Dan,
As far as I am aware my connections are "system" connections. I have configured the Network interfaces using the system-config-network tool. When I use the "network" service the eth1 wireless network comes up fine at boot. When I use NetworkManager the eth1 wireless network does not come up at boot. There is the error: "Waiting for network... [FAILED]" If the NetworkManger service is running (eth1 has not come up) and I run "service network start" the eth1 interface still does not come up. If I stop the NetworkManger service and again run "service network start" then the eth1 interface comes up ...
The configuration files are: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files are there: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Vodaphone
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 is: # Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection DEVICE=eth1 HWADDR=00:16:6F:8A:E1:95 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto
^^^^ This is the problem. "Auto" is not a valid mode.
Dec 1 09:59:05 think NetworkManager: ifcfg-rh: error: Invalid mode 'auto' (not 'Ad-Hoc' or 'Managed')
you'll probably be seeing something on the console when running "ifup eth1" like this:
Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
Since all ifup-wireless does is send $MODE to iwconfig, and "auto" is not a valid mode.
The "MODE" was set up by system-config-network, it is from its list of possible options for Mode and I think was the default. If I run ifup the error you mention is not reported and the interface comes up fine. However, I do get the error: domainname: you must be root to change the domain name
Which I assume is due to another F12 bug. Could this cause NM to abort the connection ?
Dan
RATE=auto ESSID=beamwifi CHANNEL=
Section of /var/log/messages attached. Output of nm-tool attached.
nm-tool also outputs the error on stderr: ** (process:1492): WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings was not provided by any .service files
Cheers
Terry
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On 12/02/2009 09:48 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 12/02/2009 09:32 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:24 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 12/01/2009 07:50 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 19:52 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/30/2009 06:12 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 09:55 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: > On 11/29/2009 11:30 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 09:10 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: >>> On 11/28/2009 08:35 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: >>>> 2009/11/28 Terry Barnaby wrote: >>>>> If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing >>>>> the current >>>>> network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. >>>>> >>>>> Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is odd behaviour and needs to be fixed. I would suggest >>>> open up a >>>> bug against firefox. I know one can change >>>> toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference, but it is a PITA >>>> for our >>>> users. One of use cases is: Sometime network manager does not >>>> connect >>>> me via my CDMA usb modem (in case signal is weak), but wvdial >>>> does and >>>> once I switch from NM to wvdial, my firefox gets to offline mode, >>>> which I don't expect it to as I am connected. >>>> >>> Ok, filed as: 542078 >> >> NetworkManager is intended to control the default internet >> connection. >> If NetworkManager cannot control the default internet >> connection, then >> you may not want to use NetworkManager. >> >> In your case, you're using a mobile broadband device. The real >> bug here >> is that for whatever reason, NM/MM aren't connecting your modem, >> and we >> should follow up on that bug instead. >> >> Dan >> > I am not using a mobile broadband device. The network connection > my systems
My mistake. I guess it was Rakesh Pandit who was using a CDMA 3G connection.
> use is not just the Internet it is a local network LAN connection > that also > serves the internet. Most of my systems use a local network > server which > provides NIS, /home and /data using NFS and VPN etc. I normally > use the > service "network" to bring up wired or wireless networking for > this. Fedora, > by default, uses NetworkManager to manage all network devices > though. I use > the service "network" as, for some reason, the NetworkManager > service is > started after the netfs and other services are started. Is there > a reason > for this ??
No particular reason, in fact that looks like a bug. NM no longer depends on HAL, but that dependency is still in the initscript, which looks like it pushes NM later than netfs.
But in reality, you're looking for a dependency based initsystem which we don't quite yet have. There are already scripts that kick netfs to mount stuff when NM brings the network up (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/05-netfs), so you get asynchronous bootup *and* your mounts. The rest of the system, if it requires something from the mounted directories, needs to be smart enough to know that.
If you need to, you can set NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network, which causes the NetworkManager initscript to block until a network connection is brought up, or 30 seconds have passed.
> I can obviously turn of the NetworkManager service, which I have > done on the > desktop systems. However, I also have a few Laptops that can > roam. In F11 and > before I have used the network and NetworkManager services. When > the laptop > boots away from home, the "network" service fails and I can then > use the > NetworkManager service to connect to whatever wireless network or > G3 network is > available. > > It does seem sensible to me that the "system" provides > applications with info > on if the network is up (not just the Internet). The > NetworkManager service > seems the place to do this and it looks like the applications are > starting > to use it for this purpose. > So maybe a generic NM "isNetworkUp()" API call is called for ?
See the other mail; the problem with a generic isUp() is that it simply says hey, is there a connection? It doesn't provide enough information about the networking state of the system for anything to make an intelligent decision about anything. It's a "hey I'm connected to something" but there's no information about *what* you're connected to; whether it's a secure home network, whether it's a slow 3G network, whether it's billed by the minute or the hour or unlimited, etc.
Dan
Hi, Thanks for the info. I would have thought that a generic isUp() is good enough for the likes of Firefox and Pidgen though to decide if to start offline. Being connected to a Network is probably all you need, you may be accessing an Intranet as all my systems Firefox home pages do ...
Anyway, following your email (And notes in Bugzilla) I thought I'd try and use NM properly for my config. However I have a problem, which may be a bug. I have turned off the Network services and turned on NetworkManger. I have two main network interfaces eth0 (wired) and eth1 (Wifi), both are set to be managed by NM and to start at boot. I have also added NETWORKWAIT=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network.
When I boot with this the network (eth1 (eth0 is disconnected)) does not come up at boot. There is a message stating a failure on the line where it is waiting for the network to come up. When I log in as a local user the network then comes up ...
I also note that, before the user is logged in, I cannot start the network with "service network start" and the WiFi light is off. It looks like NM has done something like powered down my WiFi chip ? (Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG IBM Thinkpad R52)
Another thing, I would need NETWORKWAIT=yes as I have ypbind enabled. Maybe ypbind should be modified to not start when the network is down and also added to /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d ?
NM has two types of connection: system and user (see http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration ). NM treats ifcfg files as system connections and thus they are available at boot time and before login. I had assumed that since your connection was working correctly with the 'network' service that it was also a system connection. What is the result of 'ls /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*' and what are the contents of /var/log/messages when the device is not correctly connected on bootup?
Before logging in, can you also drop to a VT, log in, and run 'nm-tool' for me?
THanks, Dan
Hi Dan,
As far as I am aware my connections are "system" connections. I have configured the Network interfaces using the system-config-network tool. When I use the "network" service the eth1 wireless network comes up fine at boot. When I use NetworkManager the eth1 wireless network does not come up at boot. There is the error: "Waiting for network... [FAILED]" If the NetworkManger service is running (eth1 has not come up) and I run "service network start" the eth1 interface still does not come up. If I stop the NetworkManger service and again run "service network start" then the eth1 interface comes up ...
The configuration files are: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files are there: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-Vodaphone
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 is: # Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection DEVICE=eth1 HWADDR=00:16:6F:8A:E1:95 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto
^^^^ This is the problem. "Auto" is not a valid mode.
Dec 1 09:59:05 think NetworkManager: ifcfg-rh: error: Invalid mode 'auto' (not 'Ad-Hoc' or 'Managed')
you'll probably be seeing something on the console when running "ifup eth1" like this:
Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
Since all ifup-wireless does is send $MODE to iwconfig, and "auto" is not a valid mode.
The "MODE" was set up by system-config-network, it is from its list of possible options for Mode and I think was the default. If I run ifup the error you mention is not reported and the interface comes up fine. However, I do get the error: domainname: you must be root to change the domain name
Which I assume is due to another F12 bug. Could this cause NM to abort the connection ?
I note that "domainname" is called from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh. At point of invocation $UID and $EUID are 0 ....
Dan
RATE=auto ESSID=beamwifi CHANNEL=
Section of /var/log/messages attached. Output of nm-tool attached.
nm-tool also outputs the error on stderr: ** (process:1492): WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings was not provided by any .service files
Cheers
Terry
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The "MODE" was set up by system-config-network, it is from its list of possible options for Mode and I think was the default. If I run ifup the error you mention is not reported and the interface comes up fine. However, I do get the error: domainname: you must be root to change the domain name
Which I assume is due to another F12 bug. Could this cause NM to abort the connection ?
I note that "domainname" is called from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh. At point of invocation $UID and $EUID are 0 ....
I added a "sh" into /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh to have a look. Here getuid() and geteuid() return 0. whoami returns "root". But when I run "domainname kingnet" I get the error: "domainname: you must be root to change the domain name" Also "su" states "su: incorrect password" without even prompting for one. What is happening here ? The environment variables are set by dhcp and do not have the usual user environment variables .... Note that on this system, selinux is disabled.
On 12/03/2009 08:49 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
The "MODE" was set up by system-config-network, it is from its list of possible options for Mode and I think was the default. If I run ifup the error you mention is not reported and the interface comes up fine. However, I do get the error: domainname: you must be root to change the domain name
Which I assume is due to another F12 bug. Could this cause NM to abort the connection ?
I note that "domainname" is called from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh. At point of invocation $UID and $EUID are 0 ....
I added a "sh" into /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh to have a look. Here getuid() and geteuid() return 0. whoami returns "root". But when I run "domainname kingnet" I get the error: "domainname: you must be root to change the domain name" Also "su" states "su: incorrect password" without even prompting for one. What is happening here ? The environment variables are set by dhcp and do not have the usual user environment variables .... Note that on this system, selinux is disabled.
Looking at this I guess the CAP_SYS_ADMIN capability has been lost somewhere. Maybe the dhclient ?
On 12/03/2009 09:51 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 12/03/2009 08:49 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
The "MODE" was set up by system-config-network, it is from its list of possible options for Mode and I think was the default. If I run ifup the error you mention is not reported and the interface comes up fine. However, I do get the error: domainname: you must be root to change the domain name
Which I assume is due to another F12 bug. Could this cause NM to abort the connection ?
I note that "domainname" is called from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh. At point of invocation $UID and $EUID are 0 ....
I added a "sh" into /etc/dhcp/dhclient.d/nis.sh to have a look. Here getuid() and geteuid() return 0. whoami returns "root". But when I run "domainname kingnet" I get the error: "domainname: you must be root to change the domain name" Also "su" states "su: incorrect password" without even prompting for one. What is happening here ? The environment variables are set by dhcp and do not have the usual user environment variables .... Note that on this system, selinux is disabled.
Looking at this I guess the CAP_SYS_ADMIN capability has been lost somewhere. Maybe the dhclient ?
This all seems fixed in NetworkManager-0.7.997-1.fc12 Thanks to all who fixed this.
Cheers
Terry
Dan Williams (dcbw@redhat.com) said:
ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto
^^^^ This is the problem. "Auto" is not a valid mode.
It's a valid mode according to the iwconfig man page. I have no idea what cards actually support it.
Bill
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 16:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Williams (dcbw@redhat.com) said:
ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto
^^^^ This is the problem. "Auto" is not a valid mode.
It's a valid mode according to the iwconfig man page. I have no idea what cards actually support it.
Oh, probably none. I'll go fix ifcfg-rh to alias "Auto" to infrastructure mode.
Dan
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 10:55 -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 16:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Williams (dcbw@redhat.com) said:
ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto
^^^^ This is the problem. "Auto" is not a valid mode.
It's a valid mode according to the iwconfig man page. I have no idea what cards actually support it.
Oh, probably none. I'll go fix ifcfg-rh to alias "Auto" to infrastructure mode.
96a61a9909c9442aa5f1c14d89dbd3356d4715f1 (master) 090eeaff16c77f4db4454de39d6d4e76d5390443 (0.7.x)
Dan
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