Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
Thanks a lot !
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On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:16 -0800, Park Lee wrote:
Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
if you are about to buy a notebook... the key issue in my experience is the video chipset. In my experience the intel video based laptops work well, while nvidia/ati are more cumbersome (even with the binary drivers), however the gaming performance will be lower than with nvidia/ati.
Other than that.... make sure you buy a laptop with speedstep or similar, the battery life and heat production matter a lot.
oh and google before buying for the model and linux, quite often others wrote about their experiences (and once you get yours, write your own page :-)
Thanks a lot.
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Arjan van de Ven wrote:
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:16 -0800, Park Lee wrote:
Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
if you are about to buy a notebook... the key issue in my experience is the video chipset. In my experience the intel video based laptops work well, while nvidia/ati are more cumbersome (even with the binary drivers), however the gaming performance will be lower than with nvidia/ati.
I would avoid Intel graphics. Nvidia works out of the box even with the opensource driver... and except for brand new releases of FC, their binary driver work well.
Intel graphics are painful. They are integrated with the BIOSes, and needed special hacks just to get some video memory earlier... and stick suck badly wrt. to getting proper display modes too
I thought Intel was great, and Nvidia bad. Experience has taught me otherwise.
I would avoid Intel graphics. Nvidia works out of the box even with the opensource driver... and except for brand new releases of FC, their binary driver work well.
Intel graphics are painful. They are integrated with the BIOSes, and needed special hacks just to get some video memory earlier... and stick suck badly wrt. to getting proper display modes too
I thought Intel was great, and Nvidia bad. Experience has taught me otherwise.
I guess it all comes down to bios; I've seen a lot of cases where nvidia didn't work; even with the binary driver (nvidia focusses on the desktop chips not so much on the laptop ones).
So.. whatever you buy google first to see if others could make the laptop work.....
Moreover, making suspend/resume work on laptop with ACPI is currently like playing roulette at Vegas. Sometimes you win, most often the house wins handily. However, you don't ever lose data, so its worth a try.
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:49:47 +0100, Arjan van de Ven arjanv@redhat.com wrote:
I would avoid Intel graphics. Nvidia works out of the box even with the opensource driver... and except for brand new releases of FC, their binary driver work well.
Intel graphics are painful. They are integrated with the BIOSes, and needed special hacks just to get some video memory earlier... and stick suck badly wrt. to getting proper display modes too
I thought Intel was great, and Nvidia bad. Experience has taught me otherwise.
I guess it all comes down to bios; I've seen a lot of cases where nvidia didn't work; even with the binary driver (nvidia focusses on the desktop chips not so much on the laptop ones).
So.. whatever you buy google first to see if others could make the laptop work.....
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didn't IBM say it support Linux on all their machines ?
arg.. i was about to say something else but i forgot it...
søn, 31.10.2004 kl. 22.04 skrev Amitabha Roy:
Moreover, making suspend/resume work on laptop with ACPI is currently like playing roulette at Vegas. Sometimes you win, most often the house wins handily. However, you don't ever lose data, so its worth a try.
unless it "comes back" but with disk(controller) halfway hosed etc. not that i ever saw that...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:49:47 +0100, Arjan van de Ven arjanv@redhat.com wrote:
I would avoid Intel graphics. Nvidia works out of the box even with the opensource driver... and except for brand new releases of FC, their binary driver work well.
Intel graphics are painful. They are integrated with the BIOSes, and needed special hacks just to get some video memory earlier... and stick suck badly wrt. to getting proper display modes too
I thought Intel was great, and Nvidia bad. Experience has taught me otherwise.
I guess it all comes down to bios; I've seen a lot of cases where nvidia didn't work; even with the binary driver (nvidia focusses on the desktop chips not so much on the laptop ones).
So.. whatever you buy google first to see if others could make the laptop work.....
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On 10/31/2004 01:31:45 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
didn't IBM say it support Linux on all their machines ?
I've had nothing but good experiences with thinkpads and linux. Modem doesn't always work - even when following IBM's instructions - but modems are archaic.
What I really liked about thinkpads (at least the older models, all I've used) is that they had three buttons for the mouse, great for X11.
I don't know if modern thinkpads are 3 button or not, never used one.
On Monday 01 November 2004 06:51, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I've had nothing but good experiences with thinkpads and linux.
Heat dissipation (fan doesn't spin when it should) and APM/ACPI sleep don't work are the worst things about T30 and related laptops.
I don't know if modern thinkpads are 3 button or not, never used one.
Most have three buttons now. If you have the combo-NAV thingy, you have to disable touchpad in the BIOS to get the middle mouse button to work.
Now if IBM would write and/or test all of their drivers under Linux, that would be a great day... Hope is on the way though: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/10/19/15 http://www.thinkwiki.org/ThinkWiki http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
Would be great, though, if we could somehow coax Kudzu into detecting a laptop and then config the beast to run instead of relying on random HOWTOs everywhere. Guess it would require a mini "Fedora 4 Laptop" project to get going and pipe the output into the fedora-config team.
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:28:10 +0800, Jeff Pitman symbiont@berlios.de wrote:
On Monday 01 November 2004 06:51, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I've had nothing but good experiences with thinkpads and linux.
Heat dissipation (fan doesn't spin when it should) and APM/ACPI sleep don't work are the worst things about T30 and related laptops.
I'd have to second the first opinion. All my hardware, works very well. ACPI is known to be broken on it, but APM works very well. Suspend-to-RAM and Suspend-to-Disk (hibernate) work for me. I just had to make sure I had a hibernate partition for hibernate to work. I've had a fake uptime of almost 1-month at one time because of hibernate. cpuspeed doesn't work too well as I've been seeing recently. It keeps at the lower speed, and I have to manually poke it to make it go up to 1.8ghz. Of note is that even with the fan on, a full 100% of setiathome gets the laptop up to 76 degrees. Hot! Thank goodness it hasn't melted.
I don't know if modern thinkpads are 3 button or not, never used one.
Most have three buttons now. If you have the combo-NAV thingy, you have to disable touchpad in the BIOS to get the middle mouse button to work.
I would like to note that my middle button on my T30 works as long as I do not plug in my USB mouse. If I plug it in while booting, the whole pointing-stick and it's respective button combination don't work. If I boot without the USB mouse, they all work, including middle button. This was stock install of FC2, up to this point with the latest updates, without any changes to xorg.conf.
Would be great, though, if we could somehow coax Kudzu into detecting a laptop and then config the beast to run instead of relying on random HOWTOs everywhere. Guess it would require a mini "Fedora 4 Laptop" project to get going and pipe the output into the fedora-config team.
Kudzu for laptop-detection would be nice. But then nothing beats the first-hand experience of someone else who has actually tried out the Fedora Core and Laptop combination. We all know automating hardware detection doesn't always work out correctly.
-jeff
dex
On Monday 01 November 2004 17:02, Dexter Ang wrote:
We all know automating hardware detection doesn't always work out correctly.
I'm sure a lot of us are thankful that most Monitor frequencies are fully automated. The modelines of X were just an awful experience.
Hardware detection can be done, just requires a lot of time and good infrastructure.
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Dexter Ang wrote:
cpuspeed doesn't work too well as I've been seeing recently. It keeps at the lower speed, and I have to manually poke it to make it go up to 1.8ghz.
With FC3 cpuspeed defaults changed from '-i 20' to '-i 2' - so the ramp-up from the lowest freq should be faster. (I use '-i 1').
But ideally cpuspeed should also support the option '--ignore-intermediate-freq'.
Satish
man, 01.11.2004 kl. 06.28 skrev Jeff Pitman:
On Monday 01 November 2004 06:51, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I've had nothing but good experiences with thinkpads and linux.
Heat dissipation (fan doesn't spin when it should) and APM/ACPI sleep don't work are the worst things about T30 and related laptops.
I don't know if modern thinkpads are 3 button or not, never used one.
Most have three buttons now. If you have the combo-NAV thingy, you have to disable touchpad in the BIOS to get the middle mouse button to work.
Now if IBM would write and/or test all of their drivers under Linux, that would be a great day... Hope is on the way though: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/10/19/15 http://www.thinkwiki.org/ThinkWiki http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
Would be great, though, if we could somehow coax Kudzu into detecting a laptop and then config the beast to run instead of relying on random HOWTOs everywhere. Guess it would require a mini "Fedora 4 Laptop" project to get going and pipe the output into the fedora-config team.
there is something called "laptop detect" floating around. I saw it in an ubuntu install once...
-- -jeff
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 13:04, Amitabha Roy wrote:
Moreover, making suspend/resume work on laptop with ACPI is currently like playing roulette at Vegas. Sometimes you win, most often the house wins handily. However, you don't ever lose data, so its worth a try.
Heh. At least you'd hope that this would be true. I had a different experience under FC2 in any case, with massive filesystem corruption, but there may have been operator error involved. On that notebook I haven't dared play with it again though... /Per
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
I would avoid Intel graphics. Nvidia works out of the box even with the opensource driver... and except for brand new releases of FC, their binary driver work well.
Intel graphics are painful. They are integrated with the BIOSes, and needed special hacks just to get some video memory earlier... and stick suck badly wrt. to getting proper display modes too
I thought Intel was great, and Nvidia bad. Experience has taught me otherwise.
I guess it all comes down to bios; I've seen a lot of cases where nvidia didn't work; even with the binary driver (nvidia focusses on the desktop chips not so much on the laptop ones).
So.. whatever you buy google first to see if others could make the laptop work.....
I have not had any problems with the nVIDIA laptop chipset.
What I have had problem with is the weird sizes of laptop displays.
The current laptop I have uses a 1900x1200 display. It is a widescreen aspect ratio. Some of the less endowed screens have weirder aspect ratios. (One of the reasons I got the higher screen density was because it is the same as a common Apple monitor.)
If you do a bit of searching, you can find all sorts of X configs for laptop displays. (That is how I got this one working.)
Now if I could just get my Atheros PCMCIA wireless card working on the AMD64 kernel...
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