Hey,
one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. That will give us enough breathing room to include not only OpenOffice, but also some example content on the spin. We've wanted to do that for a long time, but the cd size restriction have prohibited that.
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
- Be informative and/or pleasant
- Allow users to try the included apps
- Showcase content that has been produced with open source apps
- Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors
Examples that might fit some of these categories are:
- Suitably licensed music or movie trailers (big buck bunny has been mentioned already)
- Spreadsheets or documents that contain interesting facts about Fedora or open source
- the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
The purpose of this mail is to solicit proposals for content that might fit into these categories. Please send your proposals to fedora-desktop-list or just reply.
Thanks!
Matthias
Hi,
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
<snip>
- Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors
<snip>
- the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
To be truely useful for ambassadords, we'd need a localized version :)
Which means we'll have to regenerate the ISO anyway with our own kickstart.
Anyway, that's a great idea, but what about computers that can't boot on USB? We see a lot of them (most of them?) in release parties, will an alternate image be composed that will fit on a CD (even if it's not marketed any more as THE desktop spin) ?
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
Hi,
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
<snip> > - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors <snip> > - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
To be truely useful for ambassadords, we'd need a localized version :)
Which means we'll have to regenerate the ISO anyway with our own kickstart.
Anyway, that's a great idea, but what about computers that can't boot on USB? We see a lot of them (most of them?) in release parties, will an alternate image be composed that will fit on a CD (even if it's not marketed any more as THE desktop spin) ?
For Sugar on a Stick, we've been using a hacked up image which could be burned to a CD and included not much more than the isolinux contents. When booting from the CD while having your USB key plugged in, it was still able to boot. But still: really hack-ish and probably not really recommendable (just sayin').
Oh, and Matthias, it's really a cool plan to move into this direction!
We've been following such a distribution model obviously for the (Fedora-based) Sugar on a Stick, too. Would be interesting to see and probably work together on issues that arise, if any. ;)
--Sebastian
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) (bochecha@fedoraproject.org) said:
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
<snip> > - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors <snip> > - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
To be truely useful for ambassadords, we'd need a localized version :)
Which means we'll have to regenerate the ISO anyway with our own kickstart.
The Live image already has support for multiple locales, and should support passing them on the commandline. Anyone up for making a graphical language menu in syslinux?
Bill
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 20:37, Bill Nottingham notting@redhat.com wrote:
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) (bochecha@fedoraproject.org) said:
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
<snip> > - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors <snip> > - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
To be truely useful for ambassadords, we'd need a localized version :)
Which means we'll have to regenerate the ISO anyway with our own kickstart.
The Live image already has support for multiple locales, and should support passing them on the commandline. Anyone up for making a graphical language menu in syslinux?
But the one page relnotes are PDF right ? Not sure gettext handles PDF files, which means either the spin ships the relnotes in all locales or we make localized spins, each one with the local PDF.
Or did I miss something ?
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
ma, 2009-11-23 kello 20:21 +0100, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) kirjoitti:
To be truely useful for ambassadords, we'd need a localized version :)
Which means we'll have to regenerate the ISO anyway with our own kickstart.
I'm actually hoping that if or when the desktop spin starts targeting USB sticks, the current language support groups (whatever they'll be if the YumLangPackPlugin feature is implemented) could be added to the spin in their entirety. For example the Finnish spell checking/hyphenation/grammar checking libraries and tools are currently missing from the desktop live-CD - I understand the space constraints.
Because it's brainstorm time and I'm procrastinating on FUDCon accounting... ;)
* FWN podcast, http://www.braincache.de/wp/2009/11/15/fwn-fedora-weekly-news-201. * the http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list might have more suggestions / be able to come up with something audio-related * SVG versions of the one-page release notes are at http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12/ and might make a nice "hey, try Inkscape" prompter. * GIMP-transformed images of Fedora contributors alongside their originals and some "how we did this" notes - see the "Do It With Fedora!" section in the middle of http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png for inspiration * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics in spreadsheet format adding up total downloads * a screencast on how to use http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora to go from "I'm interested!" to "I have a FAS account and am posting an intro on a mailing list?" or "I'm on IRC!" or something of the sort.
--Mel
PS: These are also the kinds of things the Marketing team can make on request - just ask at https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket. ;)
On 11/25/2009 06:39 AM, Mel Chua wrote:
- FWN podcast,
http://www.braincache.de/wp/2009/11/15/fwn-fedora-weekly-news-201.
have more suggestions / be able to come up with something audio-related
- SVG versions of the one-page release notes are at
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12/ and might make a nice "hey, try Inkscape" prompter.
Then, with all this newly available space, I hope we will include Inkscape (and GIMP for that matter, to open the .XCFs below) on the spin, so people can make something with the files right away.
- GIMP-transformed images of Fedora contributors alongside their
originals and some "how we did this" notes - see the "Do It With Fedora!" section in the middle of http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png for inspiration
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 22:39 -0600, Mel Chua wrote:
Because it's brainstorm time and I'm procrastinating on FUDCon accounting... ;)
- FWN podcast,
http://www.braincache.de/wp/2009/11/15/fwn-fedora-weekly-news-201.
have more suggestions / be able to come up with something audio-related
- SVG versions of the one-page release notes are at
http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12/ and might make a nice "hey, try Inkscape" prompter.
- GIMP-transformed images of Fedora contributors alongside their
originals and some "how we did this" notes - see the "Do It With Fedora!" section in the middle of http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png for inspiration
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics in spreadsheet format adding
up total downloads
- a screencast on how to use http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora to go
from "I'm interested!" to "I have a FAS account and am posting an intro on a mailing list?" or "I'm on IRC!" or something of the sort.
Those are nice suggestions, thanks a lot.
2009/11/23 Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com:
Hey,
one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. That will give us enough breathing room to include not only OpenOffice, but also some example content on the spin. We've wanted to do that for a long time, but the cd size restriction have prohibited that.
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
Be informative and/or pleasant
Allow users to try the included apps
Showcase content that has been produced with open source apps
Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors
Examples that might fit some of these categories are:
- Suitably licensed music or movie trailers (big buck bunny has been
mentioned already)
- Spreadsheets or documents that contain interesting facts about Fedora
or open source
- the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
The purpose of this mail is to solicit proposals for content that might fit into these categories. Please send your proposals to fedora-desktop-list or just reply.
Thanks!
Matthias
Will all this magical content be in one easily-removable package? ;-)
Will all this magical content be in one easily-removable package? ;-)
maybe we need something like fedora-logos and generic-logos ie. fedora-samples and generic-samples (for easy trademark re-branding) they both may provide system-samples or desktop-samples (other spins could have kde-desktop-samples and desktop-common-samples)
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:15 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Hey,
one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick.
Why 1GB? It seemed to me, when discussing this earlier on this list, that everyone agreed that 2GB made much more sense.
Thanks, David
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