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Well I know this is probably noise, but I got tired of 20 second lockups on my laptop while RHEL-3 version of evolution would do various lookups of folders and such. I decided to try something different and got the thunderbird from fedora.us and recompiled it (just in case). After getting my email back on the server, and building all my filters back.. I havent really looked back at evolution. Thunderbird does not have all the gizmos but it doesnt seem to freeze the entire system with I/O. Having it look more like firefox also gives a cleaner desktop look. So if there is ever a debate about which graphical mail client.. I like thunderbird (and I really really like Enigmail).
On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 11:12 -0600, Stephen J Smoogen wrote:
Well I know this is probably noise, but I got tired of 20 second lockups on my laptop while RHEL-3 version of evolution would do various lookups of folders and such. I decided to try something different and got the thunderbird from fedora.us and recompiled it (just in case). After getting my email back on the server, and building all my filters back.. I havent really looked back at evolution. Thunderbird does not have all the gizmos but it doesnt seem to freeze the entire system with I/O. Having it look more like firefox also gives a cleaner desktop look. So if there is ever a debate about which graphical mail client.. I like thunderbird (and I really really like Enigmail).
There are three things that lack in Thunderbird for me (and I have used it in the past extensively).
1. Identities: if you want to add identities, there is no GUI to do that, you have to manually modify the prefs.js list in some very un- obvious ways. For someone who has to post things as admin@ and help@, this is important. 2. VFolders: you get hooked on that stuff. Using filters to stick stuff in actual folders isn't the same thing, especially if you periodically have to use other clients. Just having saved searches would help. 3. Have a way to issue a command to load remote images. Currently you can only turn it on or off.
There is one other thing which is a little bizarre for me. My little router that I use has that stupid NAT timeout, so I compensate for it by setting my TCP keepalive time to 5 minutes. However, even with that setting my imap connections in thunderbird keep timing out: it's almost like it overrides the low-level tcp settings. I had to actually set the imap connection keepalive to 5 minutes in prefs.js in order to be able to still use it. It's bizarre.
I like Thunderbird, but there are things in Evolution that are just better suited for some people.
Cheers,
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Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
| 1. Identities: if you want to add identities, there is no GUI to do | that, you have to manually modify the prefs.js list in some very un- | obvious ways. For someone who has to post things as admin@ and help@, | this is important.
In thunderbird 0.7, go to tool>account settings, then click on your account name and there is a brand new "Manage identities" button :) - -- Ramón Rey Vicente <ramon dot rey at hispalinux dot es> jabber ID <rreylinux at jabber dot org> GPGid 9F28E377 - 0BC2 8014 2445 51E8 DE87 C888 C385 A9D3 9F28 E377 =================================================================== "Copyright doesn't cover ideas; it's your expression of those ideas." (Richard M. Stallman) ===================================================================
Hi,
Can I suggest a way to make these "app A vs. app B" threads a lot less long -
There's really no point taking apps with thousands of features and trying to compare them by everyone posting mail saying "these are the three features I love!" "this is the bug that makes it unusable!"
If you have a 1 million lines of code app and another 1 million lines of code app, you want to decide which one to use based on the million lines, not on the basis of a bug or feature that may be addressed by changing 3 lines, or 3000.
If you do that you end up changing the default app every week as the bugs and features come and go, among other things.
And it makes these threads really long. ;-)
Havoc
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Havoc Pennington wrote:
Hi,
Can I suggest a way to make these "app A vs. app B" threads a lot less long -
There's really no point taking apps with thousands of features and trying to compare them by everyone posting mail saying "these are the three features I love!" "this is the bug that makes it unusable!"
If you have a 1 million lines of code app and another 1 million lines of code app, you want to decide which one to use based on the million lines, not on the basis of a bug or feature that may be addressed by changing 3 lines, or 3000.
That makes sense. I will let better coders than I figure out that one for me :).
While i agree with your statement i guess the question is left as to how DO we decide which apps should be selected? i think it is wasteful to install competing applications by default but instead i think we should reward theprojects with the best vision for the future and existing feature set. Is there another way i am missing to select one? Alternatively i could draft up a random number generator and we could ask everyone to pick a number between 1 and 1 million :). -- Michael Favia Insites Incorporated <www.insitesinc.com>
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 14:53, Michael Favia wrote:
While i agree with your statement i guess the question is left as to how DO we decide which apps should be selected? i think it is wasteful to install competing applications by default but instead i think we should reward theprojects with the best vision for the future and existing feature set. Is there another way i am missing to select one? Alternatively i could draft up a random number generator and we could ask everyone to pick a number between 1 and 1 million :).
I posted some thoughts on this a while back, http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/desktop/defaults.html
Somewhat desktop-centric.
Havoc
Havoc Pennington wrote:
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 14:53, Michael Favia wrote:
While i agree with your statement i guess the question is left as to how DO we decide which apps should be selected? i think it is wasteful to install competing applications by default but instead i think we should reward theprojects with the best vision for the future and existing feature set. Is there another way i am missing to select one? Alternatively i could draft up a random number generator and we could ask everyone to pick a number between 1 and 1 million :).
I posted some thoughts on this a while back, http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/desktop/defaults.html
Somewhat desktop-centric.
Havoc
I haven't personally used Evolution for any considerable time since the first time that I used it with Ximian. What features it has were more like an improvement of Outlook Express (also I tested this out when it was beta)
Thunderbird has the multithreading feature that I like. It has a more appealing feature list and seems to be a great mail program.
Mozilla is nice for me because it has mail, html editor and browser that are developed as sort of a suite of programs. With firefox and Thunderbird being seperated and no html editor for GNOME (that I know of), mozilla seems like the ideal default.
Jim
I haven't personally used Evolution for any considerable time since the first time that I used it with Ximian. What features it has were more like an improvement of Outlook Express (also I tested this out when it was beta)
Thunderbird has the multithreading feature that I like.
Evolution have too...
Bjorn Andersen wrote:
I haven't personally used Evolution for any considerable time since the first time that I used it with Ximian. What features it has were more like an improvement of Outlook Express (also I tested this out when it was beta)
Thunderbird has the multithreading feature that I like.
Evolution have too...
I'll have to look at this ability then. I hate several email accounts thrown into one inbox, when using many different email accounts. This is a major drawback for having an interest in using evolution. Not to mention trying to respond using the same outgoing address that the incoming mail was recieved through.
Jim
Gosh...
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 10:31, Havoc Pennington wrote:
Hi,
Meanwhile, Havoc is in Portland, where he gave two informative and detailed talks today about the state of the desktop, here at the Open Source conference. And he still has time to post on this list..... loved the info about freedesktop.org . Great job!
Thanks, Mike
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