Greetings.
I'm the current Fedora maintainer of the twinkle package.
Sadly, it's in poor shape:
- Segfaults on start in recent fedora versions (depending on config). - Has not had an upstream release in 4+ years. - Has not had any response from upstream maintainer in at least that long. - Uses Qt3 and a complex stack of c++ libraries. - 8 open bugs: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/twinkle/bugs/all
Debian removed it last year, Arch moved it to a user repo instead of the main repo last year.
So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and basically become the new upstream.
kevin
On 03/09/2013 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and basically become the new upstream.
Does Fedora currently have a functional soft-phone?
On 10 Mar 2013 16:53, "Ian Pilcher" arequipeno@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/09/2013 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and basically become the new upstream.
Does Fedora currently have a functional soft-phone?
Ekiga. Its fairly full featured and while a bit quiet for a few years its picking up steam again. I'm the fedora maintainer and upstream are pretty responsive to bug reports.
Peter
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On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:53:00AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 03/09/2013 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and basically become the new upstream.
Does Fedora currently have a functional soft-phone?
Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked -- in the usual sense that one would expect a phone to work, ie. not hanging or crashing or dropping calls or having massive opaque configurations.
I'm now using a Polycom IP phone and it's great. Just works. Best £0 I ever spent (Red Hat bought it for me).
Rich.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjones@redhat.com wrote:
Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked -- in the usual sense that one would expect a phone to work, ie. not hanging or crashing or dropping calls or having massive opaque configurations.
I've successfully used Twinkle for the last three or four years, despite its bitrot and lack of updates from upstream. I *once* had Ekiga working, but it gave me so many problems a few years ago that I had given up on it. Sounds like it's time to get it working again, or try to get some of the next generation open-source softphones compiling for Fedora and then packaged.
I'm now using a Polycom IP phone and it's great. Just works. Best £0 I ever spent (Red Hat bought it for me).
I have a whole zoo of hardware IP phones (and am willing to donate phones to a good home!) too, but I spend enough time on the road that a softphone is nice to have as well.
-- Jared Smith
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjones@redhat.com wrote:
Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked
[...]
I've successfully used Twinkle for the last three or four years,
Using SIP since 2005 as mostly the only phone and Twinkle was always the only one that worked, despite I tried many. I never wanted to use Twinkle due to its ugly GUI but Twinkle just always worked.
I *once* had Ekiga working, but it gave me so many problems a few years ago that I had given up on it.
Exactly. I even bugreported multiple SIP incompatibilities and got them fixed in opal but it still was not enough for practical use. Maybe it has changed.
Jan
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratochvil@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjones@redhat.com wrote:
Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked
[...]
I've successfully used Twinkle for the last three or four years,
Using SIP since 2005 as mostly the only phone and Twinkle was always the only one that worked, despite I tried many. I never wanted to use Twinkle due to its ugly GUI but Twinkle just always worked.
I *once* had Ekiga working, but it gave me so many problems a few years ago that I had given up on it.
Exactly. I even bugreported multiple SIP incompatibilities and got them fixed in opal but it still was not enough for practical use. Maybe it has changed.
Ekiga v4 seems to have improved a number of the problems and as the Fedora maintainer I've been working closely with upstream since it's release to close out any remaining issues, 4.0.1 appears to be a reasonable bugfix release but if you do have issues please report a bug and we'll work with upstream to get them fixed. Upstream seems to have been reinvigorated of late.
Peter
On 2013-03-12, 01:03 GMT, Jared K. Smith wrote:
I've successfully used Twinkle for the last three or four years, despite its bitrot and lack of updates from upstream. I *once* had Ekiga working, but it gave me so many problems a few years ago that I had given up on it. Sounds like it's time to get it working again, or try to get some of the next generation open-source softphones compiling for Fedora and then packaged.
Yes, I heard a lot of good things about Twinkle, but its UI was always too ugly for me to sustain. I was trying Ekiga as well (even worked with jkratoch on some bugs), but I had always better experience with linphone.
Of course, now I am also on HW Polycom and it Just Works™.
Matěj
Jared K. Smith wrote:
try to get some of the next generation open-source softphones compiling for Fedora and then packaged.
The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-(
Kevin Kofler
On 2013-03-12, 22:28 GMT, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-(
And telepathy-rakia (I positively hate Empathy as UI, but the telepathy is a great framework as proven on platforms with better UI than we have in Gnome, e.g., N900)
Matěj
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
Jared K. Smith wrote:
try to get some of the next generation open-source softphones compiling for Fedora and then packaged.
The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-(
ekiga doesn't use gstreamer at the moment although it is being worked on for the next release.
Peter
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Matej Cepl mcepl@redhat.com wrote:
On 2013-03-12, 22:28 GMT, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-(
And telepathy-rakia (I positively hate Empathy as UI, but the telepathy is a great framework as proven on platforms with better UI than we have in Gnome, e.g., N900)
I've never managed to make that work, when ever I configure it all I get is a crash.
Peter
On 13 Mar 2013 08:02, "Matej Cepl" mcepl@redhat.com wrote:
On 2013-03-12, 23:11 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote:
I've never managed to make that work, when ever I configure it all I get is a crash.
Using sip.redhat.com (that's eZuce OpenUC) I have just made a call to my cellphone. I have telepathy-rakia-0.7.4-3.
It might have improved in f18, I got sick of trying and no response from the maintainer to abrt reports
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On 2013-03-12, 22:28 GMT, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-(
And telepathy-rakia (I positively hate Empathy as UI, but the telepathy is a great framework as proven on platforms with better UI than we have in Gnome, e.g., N900)
Yep, very happy user of N9 & telepathy-rakia. And with Telepathy, the integration is amazing. Not sure how current call UIs in out Telepathy clients looks like...
Jaroslav
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
It might have improved in f18, I got sick of trying and no response from the maintainer to abrt reports
I too have had problems getting any sort of response from the maintainer, but I'm always one to give second chances.
On a whim, I decided to try out telepathy-rakia again this morning. Created a new SIP account on my Asterisk box, created a SIP account in Empathy, got that both calling to Asterisk and registering to Asterisk. So far so good...
But then I tried to make some calls. A call to a simple extension in Asterisk that plays a sound prompt and then hangs up gave me no audio. (I tested the extension with both Twinkle and a hard phone, and neither had any problems.) I then made a call from Twinkle to Empathy. I got the notification that the call was ringing, I answered it, and audio passed in both directions for several seconds. When I hung up the call in Twinkly, Empathy didn't tear down its call -- it acted as if the call were still active for another ten seconds or so, and then crashed.
ABRT reported that the issue is already known at https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/44919/, which links to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910079.
I've tried several other things this morning, but it doesn't seem nearly stable enough to be my "daily driver" softphone. Time to go try out Ekiga again, it seems.
-- Jared Smith
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Jared K. Smith jsmith@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I've tried several other things this morning, but it doesn't seem nearly stable enough to be my "daily driver" softphone. Time to go try out Ekiga again, it seems.
I know it's usually bad form to reply to yourself on a mailing list -- but I thought some people on this thread would like to know that trying to disabled a SIP account (using telepathy-rakia) also causes it to crash. See https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/57932/ for more info.
-- Jared Smith
2013/3/12 Richard W.M. Jones rjones@redhat.com:
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:53:00AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 03/09/2013 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and basically become the new upstream.
Does Fedora currently have a functional soft-phone?
Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone?
Short answer is no. Fedora never has a fully functional SIP softphone.
I personally hope we'll see Jitsi included in Fedora someday. Also one can try Empathy but last time I tried it has awful registration/authorization issues with Avahi, TCP, and IPv6 in different combinations.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:36:57AM +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjones@redhat.com wrote:
Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked
[...]
I've successfully used Twinkle for the last three or four years,
Using SIP since 2005 as mostly the only phone and Twinkle was always the only one that worked, despite I tried many. I never wanted to use Twinkle due to its ugly GUI but Twinkle just always worked.
I have switched from twinkle to linphone about one year ago, the reason were the crash on twinkle. linphone just works in my experience. Of course I have used ekiga in the past but it wasn't too happy with Cicso hardware. If we loose twinkle we will still have those two,
Daniel
Hi,
neither Ekiga nor Linphone can make a call with http://voocall.cz SIP provider. It works with Twinkle. (All F-18.)
Ekiga Bug with pcaps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705783 Linphone Bug with pcaps: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=995791 SIP provider posted entry [Czech lang.]: https://www.voocall.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1011
twinkle-fc18.src.rpm rebuilds fine in F-19 so it will hopefully work in F-19 and I won't have to buy+use a phone to make SIP calls.
Jan
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:41:58 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratochvil@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote:
I *once* had Ekiga working, but it gave me so many problems a few years ago that I had given up on it.
Exactly. I even bugreported multiple SIP incompatibilities and got them fixed in opal but it still was not enough for practical use. Maybe it has changed.
Ekiga v4 seems to have improved a number of the problems and as the Fedora maintainer I've been working closely with upstream since it's release to close out any remaining issues, 4.0.1 appears to be a reasonable bugfix release but if you do have issues please report a bug and we'll work with upstream to get them fixed. Upstream seems to have been reinvigorated of late.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:58:24 +0100, Daniel Veillard wrote:
I have switched from twinkle to linphone about one year ago, the reason were the crash on twinkle. linphone just works in my experience. Of course I have used ekiga in the past but it wasn't too happy with Cicso hardware. If we loose twinkle we will still have those two,
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:25:37 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
neither Ekiga nor Linphone can make a call with http://voocall.cz SIP provider. It works with Twinkle. (All F-18.)
Ekiga Bug with pcaps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705783 Linphone Bug with pcaps: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=995791 SIP provider posted entry [Czech lang.]: https://www.voocall.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1011
It has been resolved by Eugen Dedu for Ekiga upstream. Using @sip.voocall.cz everywhere (instead of @voocall.cz) works.
Jan
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