Here is my proposal:
Given that x86_64 platform will remain at 5CDs unless we do something drastic, and that FC5 is targeted to have the ability to install from other repos during anaconda install, we allow FC4 to ship with a 5CD count for both (all) archs. Then we target FC5 to move some packages to Extras, and some packages to an online RH controlled repo much like the RHEL extras. Its still RH maintained, but not shipped on the CD iso sets. This would allow us to drop down to 2CDs or so in size for the shippable media, but still allow installing to the full package set.
A side goal would be to ease the process to create installs sets from a given package list. This would allow people that have done one install using various repos to create a CD set from those packages and redistribute.
Yes I know this brings up the problem that the CDs themselves do not represent the entire Fedora Core product, something that RH has been against for a long time (notice the lack of Magazine versions of Red Hat Linux and FC), but given the emergence of Fedora Extras, I think this has become less of an issue.
Thoughts?
* Jesse Keating jkeating@j2solutions.net [2005-02-21 17:06]:
Given that x86_64 platform will remain at 5CDs unless we do something drastic, and that FC5 is targeted to have the ability to install from other repos during anaconda install, we allow FC4 to ship with a 5CD count for both (all) archs. Then we target FC5 to move some packages to Extras, and some packages to an online RH controlled repo much like the RHEL extras. Its still RH maintained, but not shipped on the CD iso sets. This would allow us to drop down to 2CDs or so in size for the shippable media, but still allow installing to the full package set.
I really like this idea.
Andrew
On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 14:04 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
Given that x86_64 platform will remain at 5CDs unless we do something drastic, and that FC5 is targeted to have the ability to install from other repos during anaconda install, we allow FC4 to ship with a 5CD count for both (all) archs.
PPC is also going to be 5 CDs either way, unless we do something drastic like dropping the PPC64 support.
I agree that we should do this for FC5 when anaconda can handle multiple repositories.
Jesse Keating wrote:
Here is my proposal:
Given that x86_64 platform will remain at 5CDs unless we do something drastic, and that FC5 is targeted to have the ability to install from other repos during anaconda install, we allow FC4 to ship with a 5CD count for both (all) archs. Then we target FC5 to move some packages to Extras, and some packages to an online RH controlled repo much like the RHEL extras. Its still RH maintained, but not shipped on the CD iso sets. This would allow us to drop down to 2CDs or so in size for the shippable media, but still allow installing to the full package set.
+1
Given the constraint of not being able to remove packages that were in FC3 and I think this is the best approach for now. It's going to either be the main packages like OO.o, Gnome, KDE, etc. or many smaller one since we need to shave 300mb. At the very least at least package the 5th CD so that it's optional in most scenarios.
On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 19:00, Demond James wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
Given the constraint of not being able to remove packages that were in FC3 and I think this is the best approach for now. It's going to either be the main packages like OO.o, Gnome, KDE, etc. or many smaller one since we need to shave 300mb.
Reducing packages is one thing, but is there anything going against pushing the ISO sizes up towards the 700MB barrier? I just checked, and I can't even find anywhere to buy those old 650MB blank CD's, but there may be other problems of course...?
If you take this into account there's roughly 200 megs of "free space" on the first 3 FC3 ISO's (roughly 500MB in total as CD4 is only half full).
Just a thought... -- Tarjei
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 12:03 +0100, Tarjei Knapstad wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 19:00, Demond James wrote:
Jesse Keating wrote:
Given the constraint of not being able to remove packages that were in FC3 and I think this is the best approach for now. It's going to either be the main packages like OO.o, Gnome, KDE, etc. or many smaller one since we need to shave 300mb.
Reducing packages is one thing, but is there anything going against pushing the ISO sizes up towards the 700MB barrier? I just checked, and I can't even find anywhere to buy those old 650MB blank CD's, but there may be other problems of course...?
the point is not availability of media. It's cd drives being able to read the extra stuff reliable. Even if 1% can't read them, that will result in a HUGE bug inflow for the anaconda guys and a lot of negative sentiment.
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