I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Thanks!
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
It's missing screen, vim, and a bunch of other "core" utilities too. Fedora seems to be moving toward a @core that has essentially the fewest packages possible to boot.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
What would it take to get a group like @core, but immediately usable for most actual work (tar missing? really?)?
I think there are a significant number of Fedora users, like Adam, and myself, who would use this instead of @core, given the option.
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 16:44 -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
It's missing screen, vim, and a bunch of other "core" utilities too. Fedora seems to be moving toward a @core that has essentially the fewest packages possible to boot.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
What would it take to get a group like @core, but immediately usable for most actual work (tar missing? really?)?
That would be @standard.
I think there are a significant number of Fedora users, like Adam, and myself, who would use this instead of @core, given the option.
I don't know why you're reading that into my post. I use @core and I like it, and I'd prefer it to be as minimal as possible.
On Jul 30, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
I don't know why you're reading that into my post. I use @core and I like it, and I'd prefer it to be as minimal as possible.
The one quibble with @core I have is I'd like an option in the installer for Minimal to also get man pages installed. About as close to that I can get is the Infrastructure packageset.
Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 04:33:53PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jul 30, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
I don't know why you're reading that into my post. I use @core and I like it, and I'd prefer it to be as minimal as possible.
The one quibble with @core I have is I'd like an option in the installer for Minimal to also get man pages installed. About as close to that I can get is the Infrastructure packageset.
Which man pages? man-db is in @core, and many packages (like, say, util-linux) ship with their own.
I actually would like to see more granularity here; documenation takes up a really good chunk of the minimal install set, it'd be nice to more easily leave it behind in a way which also makes it easy to add when needed.
Once upon a time, Billy Crook billycrook@gmail.com said:
It's missing screen, vim, and a bunch of other "core" utilities too. Fedora seems to be moving toward a @core that has essentially the fewest packages possible to boot.
That's kind of the definition of core - the minimum required to boot and install additional packages. Core hasn't changed much in a while; if you want vim-enhanced (vim-minimal is in Core), screen, etc., then install more than just Core.
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now explicitly listed there.
Bill
On 08/07/2013 04:12 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now explicitly listed there.
The sos spec file still lists tar as a dependency. This is actually false now as we're using the python TarFile class instead.
Does this mean that sos is no longer in base/standard?
Regards, Bryn.
Bryn M. Reeves (bmr@redhat.com) said:
On 08/07/2013 04:12 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now explicitly listed there.
The sos spec file still lists tar as a dependency. This is actually false now as we're using the python TarFile class instead.
Does this mean that sos is no longer in base/standard?
It still is. Can check for yourself at: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/comps.git
It was just figured that 'tar' should be explicitly listed there.
Bill
On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 16:19 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
On 08/07/2013 04:12 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Adam Williamson (awilliam@redhat.com) said:
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote:
I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool.
Was this change intentional? Thoughts?
Why do you say 'change'? From a quick look in comps, tar has never been in the 'minimal' group (which was called @base up until a few releases ago and is now called @core).
Formerly, it was pulled in by 'sos' in base/standard - it's now explicitly listed there.
The sos spec file still lists tar as a dependency. This is actually false now as we're using the python TarFile class instead.
Does this mean that sos is no longer in base/standard?
The two are not interchangeable. And, er, base no longer exists.
There is @core, which is basically 'minimal'. Then there is @standard , which is 'a typical base system'. tar is directly in @standard, it is not in @core. sos is in @standard, not in @core.
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