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Stagnant TQSG entries
by Paul W. Frields 12 Jun '07

12 Jun '07

Four (4) of the 14 translations of the Translation Quick Start Guide are outdated and I believe they should be removed. Old and likely misleading information is damaging to new contributors' morale and process understanding. However, this has obvious implications for links. A future publishing platform should provide some safeguards here, since an out-of-date translation could be redirected along with a helpful banner message telling the contributor why he's reading the canonical version and not the translation he originally wanted. I'm going to add this to tomorrow's agenda; if for some reason I can't make it to the meeting please feel free to discuss, although I hope to be there this time. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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mailing list admins
by Karsten Wade 11 Jun '07

11 Jun '07

I find myself in solo control of our two FDP mailing lists (this one and f-docs-commits). My practice is to always make sure that I have another mail list admin listed. I'm wondering, could we just make the rule, "All FDSCo members are named admins and have the shared password for all FDP lists"? The downside is the continuous "post by non-member" notices one receives, and if they get annoying, a simple filter makes them go away. I also try to go in once every few weeks and clear out the pending admin tasks, which are always about a mass delete of held-for-approval spam. Thoughts? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Self-Introduction: Free Hat
by Three Hat 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

Hello to all, My name is Ohad Feiner (aka Free Hat) and I should like to begin doing some translations of the documents in to Hebrw. I live in Tel-Aviv, Israel and am starting my Computer Science degree in TAU in a few months. Right now I am working as a customer support rep for an online game. My wish is to have the release notes and official documentation available in hebrew - thus making it easier for others to use this great distro (been using fedora [and linux in general] for almost a year now, had FC5 and recently upgraded to F7). This is for starters of course - perhaps someday more will come. I speak Hebrew and English pefectly (spent 2 years as a kid in the US) and I have had some non-professional experience translating from english to hebrew (mainly for the hebrew wikipedia). I had also writtem several english and hebrew e-zines a few years back as a BBS-kid (yeah, those days :). My computer skills are above-average (not in the linux world), but im not a wizkid - and cannot code too well (at the moment - though i have a good grasp of some concepts within that area). I am, however, relatively good with editing and design. I am not all that experience in Fedora or Linux yet, but I have a relatively good technical vocabulary, and hopefully this would do for translations :) Hereś my GPG thingy (I actually never used it bfeore and have just created one): [ziggy@kwest4 ~]$ gpg --fingerprint three_hat(a)yahoo.com pub 1024D/78867C2F 2007-06-09 Key fingerprint = 0EA3 018A ED01 B3C3 AFCF 0CAC 63FA E8C5 7886 7C2F uid Ohad Feiner (Free Hat) <three_hat(a)yahoo.com> sub 2048g/B589C9A0 2007-06-09 Well, i guess this is it. Cheers everyone! Ohad (aka Free Hat) --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

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Re: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "DocsProject/PublishQueue" by KarstenWade
by "Piotr \"Raven\" Drąg" 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 fedorawiki-noreply(a)fedoraproject.org pisze: > fixed the confusion with versions and positions; renamed the fc6 tarball of the HTML to match naming conventions; please check and confirm I got it right; it may take up to 1 hour after this to go liv > F7 is now ok, but there is still F7 guide (from docs/install-guide/devel/) at FC6 location: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/fc6/pl/ There should be FC6 guide (from docs/install-guide/FC6/). Sorry for my English. ;) - -- Piotr "Raven" Drąg http://raven.pmail.pl/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGbAYvjBBsaE0M6qkRAkHmAKCt1YyOb0ZolaP2SYZuZqFR/tmcWQCglgFr 0erp26IoB0j0jl164Kj0ELM= =jd+Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Introducing myself - Angel Ascanio - New member
by Angel Ascanio (Hotmail) 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Good afternoon. According to the information published in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction, I want to introduce myself to become a member/collaborator of the Fedora Project as a TRANSLATOR in the Spanish language; so please find a recap about myself: Then tell us what you would want to know about yourself. Subject * Self-Introduction: Your Name Here Name: ANGEL Last name: ASCANIO email: angelascanio(a)hotmail.com Body * Full legal name (as you use it is fine) ANGEL ASCANIO * Age: 37 * Gender: Male * Birth : February 1970 * City, Country: VALENCIA, VENEZUELA. TIMEZONE: -4 GMT * Profession or Student status: BACHELOR DEGREE. SYSTEMS ENGINEER GRADUATED IN 1992 - MBA Studies in current progress. Postgraduate in IT Management -CCNA: 5 Levels approved -MCSE/MCP: Specialist in Windows 2003 servers/Active Directory Management -Routing, WAN / LAN Specialist. * Company, School, or other affiliation: Currently I work at FEDEX (Federal Express, www.fedex.com) as a Senior Telecom Specialist, managing the WAN network, routers programming, servers management (inclulding RedHat servers), and applications development. I have intermediate-to-high expertise level in Application Development in PHP+MySQL, Linux, and Apache. I also manage Network services like DNS, DHCP, Samba, and others * Your goals in the Fedora Project o What do you want to write about? I want to collaborate as a doc translator in the FedoraProject, since my English is Fluently, with a TOEIC value of 85.0 o Anything else you'd like to do? I can collaborate openly in research, testings, docs translating, manual/white paper/job aids creation/edition, and websites management. * Historical qualifications o What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? I've worked in Hundreds of Systems Development for over 20 years. Most recently, I've written Open Source applications, like a Thesaurus of Public Domain for the Home-Building Institute, part of the National Government. This is my first time working in a project such Fedora. o What level and type of computer skills do you have? I have 21 years of experience in computer science as a Systems Engineer (Bachelor Degree). I started as a Developer, working in many languages from GWBasic and Pascal, until PHP and Visual Basic. I'm a project leader, and a research engineer. I speak both English and Spanish languages fluently. o What other skills do you have that might be applicable? User interface design, other so-called soft skills (people skills), programming, etc. I have Programming Skills in PHP and Visual Basic, MySQL DB Management and design, Websites Setup and maintenance, etc. o What makes you an excellent match for the project? I've been a Linux Enthusiast since its beginning, and I feel I have the skills necessary to collaborate in such project, which benefits the whole humankind. * GPG KEYID and fingerprint pub 1024D/0882DD6E 2003-10-21 Key fingerprint = 87CA E229 8D04 0E55 7EFD CB6B 1771 96FC 0882 DD6E uid Angel Ascanio (Venezuela) <angelascanio(a)hotmail.com> sub 2048g/FE4BA82E 2003-10-21 Regards, _________________________________________________________________ Las mejores tiendas, los precios mas bajos, entregas en todo el mundo, YupiMSN Compras: http://latam.msn.com/compras/

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RPM task
by Jose Manimala 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hello, i am really interested in the rpm guide. i'd like to help maintain it. i've been using rpm and have almost used all of the feautres it has, i know everyone has. but since its up there on the list and someone is needed to maintain it i am here. So just let me know. i might need some guidance to get started!! Thanks -- Jose M Manimala S6 Computer science and engineering Rajagiri School Of Engineering And Technology Ph: +919846367850 http://www.jmm-blog.co.nr GPGkeyID: 98FF52D2

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Fedora 7 FAQ
by Rahul Sundaram 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

Hi See https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-June/msg00055.html. I would appreciate if someone here could list the FAQ in docs.fp.o. If you have access please link the FAQ from the frontpage of fp.o too. Other changes can probably wait till someone within the websites team bothers to look into it. Rahul

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what is v. how to
by Karsten Wade 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

Just a general note, because it happens to all of us, and it is always worth mentioning. When writing technical docs, it is easy to slip into a descriptive mode, where we: * List what is on the screen and what happens when you click it * List all the commands available and what some combinations do (examples) What we forget is that much of that is available by reading the help docs or the man/info pages. All that content is actually "what is" information. Docs written to that spec are like maps, guiding you to a location, but not telling what you can do once you get there. How-to/what-you-can-do documents are different. They focus on one or more specific tasks the user wants to accomplish: * Setting up a home firewall to supplement or replace an appliance * Hardening a system beyond the defaults * Programming a Python application that interacts with a Web service * Creating a custom live spin of Fedora Honestly, those documents assume the existence of the other content -- the help/man/info pages. We want to keep our content focused on what hasn't been written. Focus on specific examples, tasks the reader wants to accomplish. Make them specific enough *and* generic enough, so they can be applied to different situations. When working, read all the associated documents that come e.g. with the RPM package (/usr/share/doc/foo). If those are lacking, make notes about what needs to be added. Keep adding to those notes as you write your how-to-do-it, noting what needs to be added to the default content to make it (more) complete. This summer, there is a student project[1] that is working to provide a Wiki-based front end to editing man and info pages. A goal is to produce patches that can be submitted upstream, probably through bugzilla. This is going to give you somewhere to input all those good ideas you've been saving. Then we can reference the default package docs from within our supplemental docs, relying upon them to be complete and useful. - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/VillePekkaVainio More is coming from Ville-Pekka on this. -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Self-Introduction: Ville-Pekka Vainio (and something about my summer project)
by Ville-Pekka Vainio 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

Hi all, I have already been doing Finnish translations and hanging out in #fedora-docs for a while, but I haven't posted a self-introduction yet, so here it is. I'm a Computer Science major at the University of Helsinki. During the academic year I live in Helsinki but now during the summer I'll be staying at my parent's place in Kuopio, Eastern Finland. The time zone here is EEST, that's UTC + 3. I have just finished all the courses required for a B.Sc. degree, I will officially graduate in the fall and then begin my M.Sc. studies. I have used Fedora since FC2, Fedora was also the first distribution I've ever installed. I installed Fedora just because I really liked using the Linux installation at the CS Department, which was and still is Fedora based. I've been in the Translation Project for bit more than a year now, doing GUI translations. I joined originally because I wanted pirut in Finnish, but I think I've done some translations to nearly every module there is in translation CVS during this time. Translating documentation to Finnish is also the reason I joined the Docs project. I translated release-notes, about-fedora, readme and readme-burning-isos for Fedora 7 and contributed to the homepage translation. Besides Fedora, I've also done Finnish translations for CMS Made Simple <http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/> and KDE. I'm closely following the LinuxTV and VDR projects, since I'm running a personal video recorder box based on FC6 and those projects. Two of my remote control related patches have made it to kernel via the LinuxTV project :) I first started programming about 10 years ago and have been doing it more actively for the last five or six years. The languages I know best are Java, C and C++, Python and PHP. Here's my GPG fingerprint: pub 1024D/00E249C3 2007-03-16 [expires: 2008-03-15] Key fingerprint = 7BEE AC1C 3E2C B29F F9D1 2ED7 CB89 F00F 00E2 49C3 uid Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini(a)cs.helsinki.fi> sub 2048g/F68EB3FD 2007-03-16 [expires: 2008-03-15] Then something about my summer project. I was chosen to take part in an event called Summercode Finland 2007. The basic idea is similar to GSoC, but as the name suggests, this is for Finnish university students. The event is organized by COSS, The Finnish Centre for Open Source Solutions. My project is about extending MoinMoin to support publication and editing of man/info pages. The initial idea came from FedoraBounties and Karsten, who's also mentoring me during this project. Here are some links about the project: <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/VillePekkaVainio> - My project page at Fedora Wiki <http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SummercodeFinland2007> - My project page at Moin wiki, this will propably be more about technical details than the Fedora wiki page. <http://www.coss.fi/web/coss/developers/summercode> - Summercode Finland main page My IRC nick is vpv and I'm usually in #fedora-docs. Feel free to contact me, my intention is to work closely with both Fedora and Moin communities. -- Ville-Pekka Vainio vpivaini(a)cs.helsinki.fi

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FDSCo Meeting 2007-06-05 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

HTML version of this is at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minute… 09:15 < quaid> <meeting> 09:16 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:16 < quaid> JonRob: you happen to be around? 09:16 < quaid> who else is working on the Live Spin Guide 09:16 < JonRob> quaid: yeah 09:16 < couf> we're having a cvs+xml tutorial on Thursday to start them up 09:17 < JonRob> i've started writing the text however 09:17 < JonRob> and it's about 2/3 the way through, at least covering revisor 09:17 < couf> JonRob: excellent 09:17 < JonRob> grabbed loads of stuff from revisor.fedoraunity and edited for docs style 09:17 < JonRob> (tried to edit :D) 09:18 < JonRob> quaid: and to answer your original question, I don't know 09:18 < JonRob> jmbuser was interested? 09:19 < jmbuser> One advantage of wiki collaboration 09:19 < jmbuser> jmbuser: is easy to determine state of a document 09:19 * jmbuser talks to himself again 09:19 < JonRob> i'm happy to throw what i've got so far onto the wiki 09:20 < JonRob> and then port to cvs 09:20 < jmbuser> JobRob: Let me know where it is in CVS and I can view it with yelp 09:20 < jmbuser> JonRob: (Freudian slip?) LOL 09:21 < JonRob> lol 09:21 < jmbuser> JonRob: CVS is fine 09:21 < JonRob> well it's not in cvs yet, cos i don't know how to get it in there :p 09:21 < couf> yeah, once you use it, you'll see that it works likewise as the wiki 09:21 < couf> it's just some more tagging 09:21 < jmbuser> JonRob: Then the wiki is fine for now 09:22 < JonRob> ok, it's on other comp so i'll throw it up later this evening 09:22 < JonRob> say about 1900utc +1 09:22 < quaid> IME, you'll get a faster kick-off if you go with the Wiki 09:22 < quaid> thenn convert 09:22 < jmbuser> JonRob: No problem 09:22 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:22 < quaid> there are many people who will not contribute outside of the wiki 09:23 < quaid> when we have Plone + Kupu, that will get traction, but in the meantime ... 09:23 < JonRob> quaid: yeah, we've been having a lot of discussion about best place to put it 09:23 < JonRob> on that subject 09:23 < JonRob> what's happening with plone? 09:23 < JonRob> and what's kupu? subject for another time? 09:24 * couf needs to run for some minutes 09:27 < quaid> sorry, jumped networks 09:28 < quaid> JonRob: Plone coming over the Summer, Kupu is an XHTML WYSIWYG editor built into Plone 09:28 < JonRob> cool 09:28 < JonRob> thnx 09:29 < quaid> ok, any else on this topic? 09:30 < jmbuser> I'm cool 09:30 < quaid> ok 09:30 * jmbuser loves irclog2html.py - thanks, quaid - see the agenda 09:30 < quaid> word! 09:31 < quaid> heh 09:31 < quaid> ok, on to the UG 09:31 < quaid> along with the Live Spin, this is our top focus 09:31 < quaid> status and thoughts? 09:32 -!- gomix [n=gomix(a)200.84.243.8] has left #fedora-docs [] 09:32 < jmbuser> quaid: I have downloaded the GNOME and KDE Live CDs 09:32 < jmbuser> quaid: I'm about to upgrade to F7 09:32 < quaid> jmbuser: how about the team organization, etc.? 09:33 < jmbuser> quaid: Sorry, I just finished up my day job rush - and am now ready to roll 09:33 < quaid> right, end of Q is done :) 09:33 < quaid> making sure the team is enabled is #1 09:33 < jmbuser> quaid: Therefore, not much team organizing 09:33 < jmbuser> quaid: true 09:33 < quaid> then stuff happens while you sleep 09:33 < quaid> so, there have been requests for a "to do" list 09:34 < quaid> that would be a great place to start, then announce it to the list 09:35 < jmbuser> quaid: So far , no volunteers from the KDE team (AFAIK) - (hint to ongoing meeting in fedora-meeting channel) :-) 09:35 < jmbuser> quaid: Agreed on the "to do" list 09:37 < jmbuser> Now that I have the F7 spins, I will list the "default" apps for each spins and ask for writers 09:38 < jmbuser> quaid: Agreed? 09:39 < JonRob> jmbuser: how detailed are we going to be? 09:39 < JonRob> i've removed a lot of screenshots from the backend of the guide 09:39 < JonRob> and updated some content 09:39 * couf returns 09:39 < JonRob> and created sections for new material to be added 09:39 < JonRob> but i don't know how detailed we're going? 09:40 < jmbuser> JonRob: That is a good contribution on the GNOME side of the house - much appreciated BTW 09:40 < JonRob> jmbuser: np 09:41 < jmbuser> JonRob: Setting up Evolution is an example of how detailed I think we should go. 09:41 < JonRob> but...are we going to add more info about how to use evolution aswell? 09:41 < jmbuser> jmbuser: For instance, Firefox in itself is an ocean one can swim in for days 09:42 < jmbuser> JonRob: Not being an Evolution user, I would gladly accept more detail from someone more knowledgeable on the subject. 09:42 < JonRob> ha...i've used it in the past, but not so much anymore 09:42 < JonRob> so we're happy to have stuff about how to use it? 09:42 < JonRob> it being $program 09:43 < couf> beware that we've got to go indepth for all subjects if we're doing this 09:43 < jmbuser> I believe it still is a default app in GNOME - is that right? 09:43 < JonRob> yeah 09:44 < JonRob> couf: good point, but should we not be aiming for something like that? 09:44 < JonRob> or is that above and beyond? 09:44 < jmbuser> This is where it is important to determine the target audience - the beginning user 09:45 < jmbuser> My wife is a former mainframe programmer and pretty savvy, but she complains that I don't give enough detail sometimes 09:45 < couf> jmbuser: right on the button 09:45 < jmbuser> That's where walking through the program's basic features is valuable. 09:46 < couf> I'm feeling this will take a long run, maybe target F8? 09:46 < JonRob> i've added material to the firefox along those lines 09:46 < jmbuser> Then, you can point the user to other places for further information 09:46 < JonRob> have people looked at those pages? is that about right for detail? 09:46 < JonRob> because that wasn't *huge* amounts of work 09:47 < JonRob> couf: +1 i think 09:47 < jmbuser> JonRob: I will review what you've written and give you my feedback 09:47 < JonRob> jmbuser: cool 09:47 < jmbuser> Regarding F8, we finished and announced FC6 DUG about halfway through the release cycle. 09:48 < JonRob> ? 09:48 < couf> jmbuser: true that, but F8 schedule is not so long (5 months) 09:48 < couf> it would be nice to take our time, to get it right 09:48 < couf> no pun intended there 09:49 < jmbuser> couf: That's true, so maybe the release cycle is too short this time 09:49 < JonRob> worried about volunteering too much 09:49 < JonRob> but i'll have time over the summer to contribute plenty 09:49 < jmbuser> At the same time, we don't F8 to work with yet, so we need to start with F7 ASAP. 09:50 < JonRob> yeah 09:50 < couf> true, although a lot of this stuff doesn't really have to change 09:50 < jmbuser> s /don't/don't have/ 09:50 * quaid is about to disappear 09:50 < quaid> I'll keep logging 09:50 < jmbuser> couf: Also true 09:50 < quaid> can someone close the meeting when you can 09:50 < quaid> sorry 09:50 < couf> quaid: sure, cya around 09:50 < quaid> I have an unusual convergence this AM, off to my eldest's physics in motion demonstration 09:50 < JonRob> cheers :D 09:51 < jmbuser> quaid: Enjoy 09:51 < jmbuser> If no objects, I can guide us through the rest of the agenda 09:51 < couf> so can we agree on getting this *done* for F8, but starting with the topics that won't change 09:51 < jmbuser> s /objects/objections/ 09:51 < jmbuser> couf: +1 09:52 < couf> jmbuser: be my guest :-) 09:52 < jmbuser> On to topic 3 then - Administration Guide 09:52 < jmbuser> Who would like to cover that subject? 09:53 < JonRob> somebody volunteered for that recently didn't they? 09:54 * jmbuser checks wiki 09:55 < jmbuser> The only solid contributor so far appears to be Dimitrios Typaldos - no lead writer listed 09:56 < couf> yeah, that's a guide we should get some interested guys on 09:56 < couf> put out a list of topics (or refine it) 09:56 < jmbuser> Any volunteer from the FDSCo to drive it? 09:56 < JonRob> i'm sorry but i have to run 09:57 < JonRob> i'll post what i've done on the spin stuff soon 09:57 < glezos> I didn't know Typaldos was contributing to the admin guide... 09:57 < JonRob> until then 09:57 < JonRob> bye! 09:57 -!- JonRob [n=jon(a)88-110-90-7.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["leaving"] 09:57 < jmbuser> JonRob: Thanks 09:58 < jmbuser> glezos: He put his name down for directory structure, but only quaid has touched it this year 09:58 < jmbuser> glezos: Do you know Typaldos by any chance? 09:59 < glezos> he has contributed a ton of translations in greek 09:59 < couf> I'm kinda tied up for the moment, in a month I could try to start driving it 10:00 < jmbuser> couf: Can you put yourself down as lead writer? 10:01 < jmbuser> couf: No pressure...:-) 10:01 < couf> heh, yeah, but it's a pending thing then, if someone else jumps in, I'm okay with that 10:01 * couf adds to takslist 10:01 < jmbuser> couf: That's fine - thanks 10:02 < jmbuser> Moving on to Topic 4? 10:02 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:04 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs 10:04 < couf> yeah, move on 10:04 < jmbuser> sorry - lousy ISP 10:05 * couf notes with 2, this isn't a real meeting 10:05 < jmbuser> Topic 4: Release Notes update / zero-day drop status 10:06 < jmbuser> Who would like to address this topic ( we will speed things up, I promise) 10:06 < jmbuser> Any takers? 10:06 < couf> jmbuser: btw while I'm editing the tasklist, you up for mentoring the Live CD? 10:06 < couf> heh, some groups are committing stuff and ready to publish the web-notes 10:06 < jmbuser> couf: Yes, count me in. 10:07 < couf> and IG asweel 10:07 < couf> s/asweel/aswell 10:07 < jmbuser> couf: Great 10:07 < jmbuser> couf: Do we have names? 10:08 < jmbuser> Shall we skip topic 4 then? 10:08 < couf> yeah, I'll try to do some publishing tonight 10:08 < jmbuser> Topic 4, going... 10:09 < couf> move on :-) 10:09 < jmbuser> going...gone! 10:09 < jmbuser> Topic 5? 10:09 < jmbuser> couf: You are editing it as we speak? 10:09 < couf> iirc, quaid was gonna check this 10:10 < jmbuser> couf: the master task list, I mean 10:10 < couf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks 10:10 < couf> yeah 10:10 < jmbuser> couf: Topic 5? or 4? 10:10 < couf> euh 5 10:11 < couf> we should skip this aswell 10:11 < jmbuser> couf: okay 10:11 * couf notes we're not at quorum anymore 10:12 < jmbuser> glezos: Topic 6! 10:12 < glezos> wha? 10:12 < glezos> :) 10:12 < jmbuser> couf: I think that's ok regarding quorum 10:12 < couf> hey, it's your idea glezos :-) 10:12 < glezos> tags? 10:12 < jmbuser> glezos: According to the IRC, you brought it up. 10:12 < couf> aye tags 10:13 < jmbuser> glezos: Yes 10:13 < glezos> well, before each release we'll tag the documents like this: 10:13 < glezos> cvs tag 'fedora-8' 10:13 < glezos> just to know which version we 10:13 < jmbuser> glezos: Your name is in green :-) 10:13 < glezos> which version we've shipped, and to have it checkout-able in the future. 10:14 < glezos> jmbuser: stickster said he wrote a 'make tag' rule, so it's quite easy 10:14 < couf> glezos: so we could maybe use a QUEUE and PUBLISH-tag 10:14 < glezos> couf: ? 10:14 < couf> for the publish-queue, so we only publish the stuff tagged PUBLISH, and QA happens to QUEUE 10:15 < jmbuser> couf: "yay for tagging :)" 10:15 < couf> something analogic with the LIVE tagging for the websites 10:15 < couf> jmbuser: I'm all up for tags and branches :-) 10:15 < jmbuser> couf: Sounds good - is it difficult to implement? 10:16 < couf> not really, it's basicly part of cvs 10:16 < glezos> couf: Do we need tagging to decide whether something is publishable? I guess an email on the list or a wiki page would suffice, right? 10:16 * jmbuser noticed that glezos already answered the question 10:16 < couf> glezos: it could automate the process 10:17 < couf> send an e-mail to foo to QA something, let him publish -> script that does live tagging to website 10:18 < jmbuser> More automation is good - since there's no quorum, we can bring it up on the list for agreement 10:18 < jmbuser> You've got my vote 10:18 < couf> yeah +1 to list-decission 10:19 < jmbuser> Should we conclude the meeting? or any more topics? 10:19 < glezos> sorry, I didn't get what needs decision 10:19 < couf> actually, as I understand it, glezos you're basiclly talking about tagging something, whilst it's branching 10:19 < couf> glezos: idea of using tags as publishing mechanism 10:19 < jmbuser> glezos: +1 10:20 < glezos> couf: tags would be useful if for example, we had a file saying: "*this* version of the document gets published *there*".. and fully automate it. 10:20 < glezos> Soneone has to write that script though. :) 10:21 < couf> heh, yeah, that's why it's an idea ;-) 10:21 < jmbuser> I think Stickster can handle it - but we have to check with him 10:22 < jmbuser> Okay - shall we adjourn the meeting? 10:22 < couf> you know what, I'll ponder my head around it, send it to the list and we'll see what happens 10:22 < jmbuser> couf: Sounds good 10:23 < couf> jmbuser: close it ;-) 10:23 < jmbuser> 5... 10:23 < jmbuser> 4... 10:23 < jmbuser> 3... 10:23 < jmbuser> 2... 10:23 < jmbuser> 1... 10:23 < jmbuser> </meeting>

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