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Advancing the beats
by Karsten Wade 31 Jan '09

31 Jan '09

It was cool to see the naming scheme Sparks chose for the beats: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Boot_Beats In my mind, the beats were always potentially more than just release notes. The Fedora Weekly News actually uses the beats concept more successfully -- the natural flow from writer to the audience in a single publication makes sense. By contrast, the release notes have always suffered from content that might have been better in other locations ... that didn't exist. This undermined the organizing of the content. For Fedora 10, we devised a new scheme -- major chapters that pulled the beats in various nestings using the power of modular XML files converted 1:1 from the wiki pages. Now that we have a larger documentation base and greater need for updated content, I wonder if now is a good time for the beats to take on a larger purpose? Providing the stream of content that feeds in to all the myriad documentation. Does that pervert the usefulness of the beats to the release notes? Or rather provide a way to clean them up a bit? For example, there is often content in the release notes that could be in the Installation Guide[1]. We maintained a long piece originally by Tommy Reynolds about building custom kernel packages, which finally migrated to the wiki and remains with a reference.[2] And so on. There seems to be a use for filtered and unfiltered feeds of content that the Docs Project can use to populate parts of various documents, instead of just jamming it all in to the release notes. ;-) The mailing list 'fedora-relnotes-content'[3] that receives release notes reports has always provided information useful to other documents. Lest you think I'm crazy suggesting a process change this late in the F11 release cycle, I don't think it has to be that much of a difference. More of an awareness to share with beat writers -- gather content that might have meaning beyond just release notes, and Docs will parse it to the right content home. - Karsten [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Insta… [2] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/How_are_Things_for_De… [3] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-relnotes-content Receives relnotes(a)fedoraproject.org, release notes bugzilla reports/fedora_requires_release_notes flags, used to watch the Docs/Beats.* changes in the MoinMoin wiki, good place to send a feed of all changes to the beat pages. -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41

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FDSCo Meeting 2009-01-28 Summary
by Eric Christensen 30 Jan '09

30 Jan '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Attendees: - ----------- sparks stickster quaid jjmcd ke4qqq laubersm jsmith Summary: - --------- * Leadership refresh Quaid said he wanted to appoint Sparks to be Docs Lead for the rest of F11. An election will be held after F11. Also, during those elections we can decide how long a leader will serve, etc. The nomination passed. Also, Ryanlerch and jjmcd will handle F11 release notes with jjmcd taking it for F12. * CMS Plan We discussed the CMS options and voted to approve Zikula. This stemmed from a conversation that occurred immediately before the meeting where all the concerns were worked out. Simon, from Zikula, immediately began work. * Release Notes Discussion on what needed to be done on the Release Notes was discussed. An update will be given next week. * Docs Project Page Changes Noted that ianweller is working with G_work to get the wikibot turned loose on the wiki. * John Poelstra's Schedule ke4qqq was present on a conference call to discuss scheduling the release notes. releng will handle the alpha announcement and then Docs will take Beta and the GA release. * Task Table Quaid went through the table and updated projects with input from the group. Various tasks were updated. Meeting ended at 2000 UTC. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmDlZgACgkQfQTSQL0MFMEz3QCfcY9SlKTYvcpSXVbrmnUWQbfI 0mEAniEzEGroo0/npudWgGKMszYv0wny =Sc6v -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[FW: Re: Reminder: Do not use trademarks in Summary or Description]
by Paul W. Frields 30 Jan '09

30 Jan '09

This comes from a recent thread in fedora-devel-list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-January/msg02376.html I added appropriate guidance to the Style Guide here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/QuickReference Paul ----- Forwarded message from Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com> ----- On 2009-01-30 at 14:57:51 -0500, "Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:52:25PM -0500, Tom spot Callaway wrote: >> On 2009-01-30 at 14:46:36 -0500, "Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Would you say we should treat trademarked terms similarly in Fedora >>> documentation? If so, I'll note that in the Style Guide for future >>> reference. >> I'll ask RH Legal. The advice given was strictly in reference to package >> Summary and Descriptions. > > Fantastic, thanks Spot... we can move any follow up to > fedora-legal-list if you like. No need, it can't hurt. They advised that the same advice applies to Documentation. Never use "tm" or "(R)". If we are obliged by contract to mention other trademarks in a legend, add the legend as required by the contract. In addition, our documentation should contain the disclaimer: "All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners." ~spot ----- End forwarded message -----

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Introduction Teb (Zikula / Documentation project)
by Teb (Zikula NL) 30 Jan '09

30 Jan '09

Hi all, I have just subscribed to both the fedora-infrastructure-list and the fedora-docs-list to keep you (and myself) updated about the documentation project. My name is Arjen Tebbenhof, 32 years old and currently employed at AMB-IT / ChampionChip in the Netherlands as a (web) software engineer. In this function, I maintain a backend-portal for our clients, and I am responsible for planning and implementation in this specific field (using PHP and an Oracle DBMS). Before this, I owned a company specialized in delivering CMS solutions, but that never really got lucrative enough to make a living :) I have a Bachelors Degree in Econometrics and Operations Research, at the Erasmus University Rotterdam, The Netherlands. I am the current maintainer of the packaging environment for the Zikula Application Framework for the last year or so. Besides that, I am the team leader of the Dutch Zikula Community for the last five years, and maintain all dutch translations for the project. I never really contributed any code to the project, but behaved more as a sidekick between developers and the users, mainly providing support. I have basic knowledge of *nix systems, but have better specialties in PHP OOP, Databases, CVS/SVN repositories and packaging. For the Documentation Project, I will assist Simon and the rest of the newly involved list members with the new Fedora Docs portal. And therefore have applied to the sysadmin and sysadmin-test groups. Arjen (aka Teb)

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Email address [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Giemsa, Nicholas PTE 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

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Introducing Myself
by Simon Birtwistle 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

All, Having just requested access to the sysadmin and sysadmin-test groups on FAS and on the advice of David Nalley I thought I should introduce myself. I have been working with the docs team over the last week on the possibility of running the Zikula Application Framework as the CMS behind docs.fedoraproject.org. I am a member of the board of the Zikula Software Foundation and the Zikula Steering Committee, and I have been acting as the lead in discussions about how to best address the needs of the docs project on their website, and the needs of the Fedora project at large. My name is Simon Birtwistle, and I'm currently located in Cambridge in the UK. I am in the final year of studying for a degree in Computer Science at Cambridge University, and providing all goes well I'll be graduating in June. I've used Fedora on and off for years and years, though despite thinking about it I never got around to contributing. Most of my time is taken up with the Zikula project, where my work with the Steering Committee involves project management and day to day organisation, but I'm hoping that I can combine my work there with useful work on the Fedora websites where it's helpful. Skills wise, I am mainly a web developer, as you'd expect, with a good knowledge of PHP and MySQL. I also have experience with Java as well as C# .NET and some other less well known languages from my degree course. I have also used Docbook in the past for Zikula project documentation, so I at least have a vague idea where the docs project are coming from. I'm hoping that I, and Zikula as a project, will be able to provide a big boost to the docs project's publishing workflow. Simon

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fresh leader
by Karsten Wade 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

Thanks all for your thoughtful responses about leadership for this project. From that discussion I saw a reasonable consensus that was both good and fair. We just approved that consensus in the Docs meeting. For the remainder of Fedora 11 release, I'm asking Eric Christensen (Sparks) to step up as leader for the Fedora Documentation Project. In essence, I am appointing him as a replacement, with the full approval of all the people who usually show up to meetings and discuss/approve stuff. After Fedora 11 releases, we'll have a general election in this project. We can decide between now and then exactly what we are doing -- electing one person, a council, for how long are the terms, etc. Anyone who doesn't care about this stuff can just ignore those threads. (Seriously.) Rotating leadership more frequently is a good idea for this project. We can give more of you a chance to get the experience and shape Docs with your enthusiasm. IMO, we've never had a stronger and more passionate group of contributors in Docs. This is a perfect time for new leadership to emerge and take over. So many are capable and interested in making this project better and more successful. As I said before, I'm not going anywhere; I'm just doing what is long overdue so I can be more productive as a Docs contributor and this project can improve through the art of change. :) - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-01-28 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 28 Jan '09

28 Jan '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 14:00 < Sparks> <meeting id="Docs team"> 14:00 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting 14:00 * stickster here 14:00 * quaid is 50% here as [[User:Kwade|Karsten 'quaid' Wade]] 14:00 * jjmcd here 14:00 * Sparks here 14:00 * ke4qqq is here 14:01 < Sparks> Meeting agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wedne… 14:01 -!- zk-Simon [n=public(a)nat-studcudn-172-24-62-0.fitz.cam.ac.uk] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:01 * laubersm here 14:02 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Status on leadership (re)fresh 14:02 < Sparks> Okay, I'm going to turn this over to quaid before he has to leave 14:02 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes@fedora/DemonJester] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:02 < quaid> yeah, I'm in a meeting call right now 14:02 < quaid> and have 1/2 attention 14:02 -!- jsmith-lunch [n=nnnjsmit@asterisk/training-and-documentation-guru/jsmith] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:02 < quaid> so will be fast as I can 14:02 < quaid> first, thanks Sparks for taking the meeting today. 14:02 -!- jsmith-lunch is now known as jsmith 14:03 -!- kulll_ [n=kulll(a)203.82.91.34] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:03 < quaid> second, it's clear on the list to me that we can reach consensus on leadership stuff with a scheme I have in mind. 14:03 < quaid> 1. I'd like to appoint Sparks to be Docs Lead for the (rest of) F11; his willingness and coordinating/organizing are clear all ready, and he is interested and able. 14:04 < quaid> 2. We can then have an election just after F11, including deciding how long we want a leader to server (one or two releases) 14:04 < quaid> 3. There are a *ton* of you who are already leaders here and could clearly or likely lead this project; that is rather unusual, and awe inspiring to me. 14:05 < quaid> in fact, more current contributors are capable of leading this team for a release than not, which is cool. 14:05 < quaid> 4. Then I can be a good Lt., help the transition, and help with making future leadership easier, as well as future contributing (hand-in-hand problem) 14:05 < quaid> so, even if I haven't talked with you about being in the smaller group of those who actively lead ... 14:06 < quaid> I will :) 14:06 < jsmith> +1 on the nomination 14:06 < quaid> and I'll encourage each of you to continue in that mode - -- show while doing 14:06 < Sparks> +1 on term limits :) 14:06 < quaid> :D 14:06 < stickster> +1 on the nomination 14:06 * laubersm tags Sparks 14:06 < jjmcd> +1 14:06 < ke4qqq> +1 for sparks 14:07 -!- John5342 [n=john5342@fedora/John5342] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:07 * stickster will be around to be a Lt. Lt. too 14:07 < quaid> I'd also especially like to ask you all to really step up in helping make Sparks successful 14:07 < stickster> +2. 14:07 < quaid> (not that you aren't ...) 14:07 < quaid> which means e.g. more 6s fun from jjmcd and jsmith :) 14:07 -!- baard1973 [n=baard197(a)143.121.192.249] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:07 < Sparks> :) 14:07 < jjmcd> :-) 14:07 < quaid> in case it's not obvious, it's the mix of skills, personality, and hard work ethics that makes the team work best. 14:08 < quaid> and this is truly the strongest group of docs contributors that Fedora has yet seen, IMNSHO. 14:08 < quaid> one remaining item is the F11 release notes; I'm concerned about overloading Sparks 14:08 < quaid> and would suggest we consider taking ryanlerch up on his offer; 14:08 * jsmith puts away his (non-existant) campaign posters and buckles down for a great release (and release-notes!) for F11 14:08 < quaid> he just got off a big relnotes release and is ready to go and available, afaict 14:09 < Sparks> +1 to ryanlerch 14:09 < quaid> that would help e.g. jjmcd get more comfortable with how the relnotes run, so he can do it for F12 14:09 < ke4qqq> +1 14:09 < jsmith> +1 to ryanlerch as well 14:09 < jsmith> +1 to jjmcd being his shadow 14:09 < jjmcd> Sounds good to me 14:09 < laubersm> +1 14:10 < quaid> nice! 14:10 * quaid loves the smell of consensus in the morning ... 14:10 < quaid> it's the smell of community! 14:10 < jsmith> quaid: (You're on a roll... no disagreement from anyone!) 14:10 < stickster> I think the Relnotes definitely need a separate Someone. +1. 14:10 < quaid> are there any lagging leadership issues? 14:10 < jjmcd> I notice ryanlerch isn't here to defend himself 14:10 < quaid> I'll do a formal email to the list after the meeting, etc. 14:10 < quaid> jjmcd: heh 14:10 < ke4qqq> someone bring up the controversial stuff before we slip out of consensus :) 14:10 < quaid> jjmcd: I sent him email asking him to come by #fedora-docs this afternoon to discuss 14:10 < quaid> after I sort-of blew him off on list trying to keep the balance. 14:11 < Sparks> Anymore discussion? 14:11 < quaid> ok, I'm done then; and would love to see everyone figure out the CMS discussion _without_ having to explain my own thinking again; that's getting boring to y'all 14:12 * jjmcd is beginning to develop an opinion on that, that's dangerous 14:12 * zk-Simon is here in case of questions 14:12 < Sparks> Okay, well, thanks for the support and as my first order of business... 14:12 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - CMS Plan 14:12 < Sparks> I'll change the topic. 14:12 < stickster> heh 14:12 < stickster> +1! The crowd goes wild! 14:12 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi(a)c-76-19-171-76.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:13 < Sparks> So today has been an interesting day for CMS discussions. 14:13 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi(a)c-76-19-171-76.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:13 < Sparks> Was anyone not around #f-docs for the conversation? 14:13 * jjmcd caught much of it, think I came in the middle, but I figured out hwere it eas headed 14:14 < stickster> It was full of vim and vinegar 14:14 * laubersm thinks "which one?" and runs 14:14 < stickster> Especially since I know jsmith likes vim. 14:14 < jjmcd> ewwwww 14:14 < Sparks> jsmith: I'd like to get your input about the CMS solution discussion, please. 14:14 < stickster> No one is full of Emacs and vinegar, after all. 14:14 < jsmith> stickster: Amen! 14:14 < quaid> stickster: only a pickle 14:14 < stickster> quaid: Oho! You win, good sirrah. 14:15 < jsmith> Sparks: I'm on the phone right this second, but I'm now in general agreement with the proposals at hand. 14:15 -!- DemonJes1er [n=DemonJes(a)mod001-notes1.modpac.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:15 < Sparks> Okay, does anyone have any concerns about standing up a CMS solution? 14:15 < ke4qqq> so at the risk of pushing ahead - I think we should go with Zikula - they are the only planA solution 14:16 < ke4qqq> and they seem to meet the requirements technically 14:16 < Sparks> ke4qqq: I know Word Press was interviewed. I haven't felt much energy from them, though. 14:16 < jjmcd> We got something that seems to meet the reqts and someone willing to chop off the chicken's head, so where's the problem 14:16 < ke4qqq> and I think if we decide to press ahead that I am the constraint 14:16 < ke4qqq> jjmcd: exactly! 14:16 < stickster> Has anyone asked the responsible parties for Legal, PackagingGuidelines, etc. about their thoughts? Not sure that's a requirement. 14:16 < zk-Simon> If anyone has reservations, I would like to hear them. Either to put them straight or alternatively to make sure I put specific focus on their concerns as we move forward 14:16 < Sparks> stickster: Good point. 14:17 < quaid> their requirement was to not have to work *harder* 14:17 < quaid> and spot said he trusted us to not mess them up, iirc 14:17 < Sparks> How about this, let's vote on Zikula pending no major problems from the other areas. 14:17 < quaid> zikula++ 14:17 < stickster> Which I think we can guarantee. Zikula has editing capabilities on par with MW> 14:17 < ke4qqq> yep 14:18 < ke4qqq> +1 for zikula 14:18 < laubersm> +1 for taking the next step 14:18 < Sparks> +1 for Zikula 14:18 < jjmcd> + 14:19 < stickster> +1 14:19 < zk-Simon> Ok, well that seems positive 14:19 < Sparks> That sounds like a pass to me. 14:19 < zk-Simon> Next step? What do you want from me? 14:20 < Sparks> I'll write it up this afternoon and make sure we have the support from others. 14:20 < ke4qqq> next step is packaging iirc, and I think that is still on my plate 14:20 -!- itamarjp [n=itamar(a)189-015-176-126.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:20 < Sparks> zk-Simon: If you don't mind being on hand today and tomorrow for any questions from other groups. 14:20 * ke4qqq is fail for not already having it done 14:20 < zk-Simon> It just so happens we have a RPM build for Zikula as of a couple of days ago 14:20 < Sparks> Yes, packaging is high priority 14:20 < ke4qqq> zk-Simon: Link? 14:20 < jjmcd> Ohhh, that was my only concern, would be nice to see it packaged 14:20 -!- SmootherFrOgZ [n=Xavier@fedora/SmootherFrOgZ] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:21 < ke4qqq> yeah for us to use it, it must live in fedora 14:21 < quaid> we should be able to start playing on the publictest instance even without the package 14:21 < zk-Simon> Sparks: No link, I'd ahve to upload it somewhere (in my email inbox I think) 14:21 -!- mizmo [n=duffy(a)c-66-31-44-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:21 < Sparks> zk-Simon: Get with ke4qqq on that. 14:21 -!- itamarjp [n=itamar(a)189-015-176-126.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:21 < quaid> so for zk-Simon that means applying for sysadmin and sysadmin-test with anyone from zikula.org who is helping 14:21 < ke4qqq> zk-Simon: SRPM and spec file please - feel free to send it to the list or me privately 14:21 < quaid> zk-Simon: those are FAS groups 14:22 < quaid> mmcgrath can tell us if he wants to make a new sysadmin-cms ... 14:22 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Can you help zk-Simon with getting FAS accounts squared away? 14:22 < zk-Simon> ok. Have to hold my hand a little here since I don't know your processess 14:22 < ke4qqq> Sparks: yep - we'll take care of it after the meeting 14:22 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Thank you 14:22 < ke4qqq> np 14:23 < Sparks> Anything else on the CMS? 14:23 < zk-Simon> I'll be around for as long as necessary tomorrow, but I'm out for a couple of hours at least from the end of the meeting 14:23 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm(a)user-24-214-179-165.knology.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:24 * stickster is happy to see such verve and vigor in the Docs meeting again :-) 14:24 < ke4qqq> zk-Simon: ok - I am around quite a bit, just ping me when you have some time 14:24 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Status on Release Notes document 14:25 < Sparks> I know we are going to have to do some switching around on this... 14:25 < Sparks> I know we need beat writers for various subjects. 14:26 < Sparks> Does anyone have any questions on this? I should be better prepared next week. 14:26 < ke4qqq> do we have a list of what beats have no writers? 14:26 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Yes... 14:26 * Sparks goes hunting for the link 14:26 < Sparks> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats 14:27 < Sparks> All 48 of them (plus or minus) 14:27 < Sparks> The page still needs some cleaning up. 14:27 < Sparks> I sent out an email to everyone that was listed from F10. If they were continueing on then they removed the "*" from beside their name. 14:27 < ke4qqq> so - can we delegate that out 'beat writer hunting' now? 14:28 < Sparks> But there are a lot of open spots that could use some love 14:28 < Sparks> ke4qqq: sure 14:28 < stickster> Makes sense to move on to finding new writers. 14:28 < Sparks> stickster: :1 14:28 < Sparks> +1 14:28 < Sparks> Yeah, we are WAY behind on this. 14:29 < stickster> It's not that bad, I don't think 14:29 < stickster> But it wouldn't hurt to start contacting people responsible for packages that are central to the beat 14:29 < Sparks> We have had quite a few people sign up for slots in the past week which is really good. 14:29 < stickster> i.e. fedora-kernel-list, or the virt list, or... 14:29 < stickster> Typically those developers do start devoting more time post-Beta 14:29 < Sparks> stickster: Absolutely. 14:30 < stickster> But it's incumbent upon us to... keep them from forgetting ;-) 14:30 < jjmcd> Some of the major devtools came up as new beats. Not sure that e.g. Emacs needs its own beat, but most of those I expect to do 14:30 < stickster> jjmcd: They're coming up as new beats because they're transcluded pages 14:31 < jjmcd> ahhh yeah, you mentioned how you like that 14:31 * stickster loathes transcludes in the relnotes beats... headaches! 14:31 < Sparks> yeah 14:31 < stickster> I think it would be sensible to provide a key for people to know where to file their notes on "Package XYZ" 14:31 < jjmcd> Some may make sense, tho. The Haskell group seems pretty active, actually, might be good to recruit someone there 14:31 < stickster> Then kill the transcludes 14:32 < quaid> +1 to death of transcludes 14:32 < Sparks> +1 14:32 < quaid> they aren't needed 14:32 < stickster> Every time we try to be clever, we generally out-clever ourselves :-D 14:32 < quaid> you said it! 14:33 < danielsmw> lol 14:33 < stickster> If Ian had been around he'd have slapped sense into us 14:33 < Sparks> Well, he can now 14:33 < ke4qqq> I think he actually prefers setting people on fire :) 14:33 < quaid> with a sharp fork to the eyes first 14:33 < Sparks> jjmcd: Do you want to start beating the drum on the... beats? 14:34 < jjmcd> Sure 'nuff 14:34 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass@fedora/cassmodiah] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:34 < Sparks> jjmcd: Okay, let me know if you need anything. Targetting the groups that aren't represented would be great. 14:34 < Sparks> jjmcd: And maybe something up on planet. 14:34 -!- petreu [n=peter@fedora/petreu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 14:34 * jjmcd gotta get hooked up there yet 14:35 < Sparks> jjmcd: I can put something up there in the mean time. :) 14:35 < jjmcd> cool 14:35 < Sparks> Anything else? 14:35 < ke4qqq> jjmcd: lets work on that after the meeting 14:36 < ke4qqq> I owe work for that to danielsmw as well 14:36 < jjmcd> roger that 14:37 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - DocsProject page changes 14:37 < Sparks> ianweller is working with G_work to get the wikibot turned loose on the Docs Pages. 14:37 < danielsmw> ke4qqq: I'll join in after this then 14:37 < stickster> sweet 14:38 < Sparks> Apparently there are some problems with the bot so G_work is working on that. 14:38 < Sparks> I'll let ianweller talk about it later. 14:38 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - John Poelstra's schedule 14:39 < Sparks> ke4qqq: What'd did you come up with from the conference call? 14:40 < ke4qqq> so releng is going to handle alpha announcement 14:40 < ke4qqq> and keep it 14:40 < ke4qqq> 'permanently' 14:40 < ke4qqq> we are taking Beta and GA release announcements 14:40 < quaid> sweet 14:41 < Sparks> ke4qqq: That works. 14:41 < Sparks> Did everyone get a chance to look at the schedule that John sent out? 14:41 < ke4qqq> essentially eof from me - I have more details from the call - but none that relate to docs project. 14:42 -!- petreu [n=peter@fedora/petreu] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:42 < stickster> ke4qqq: Probably worth sending something to the f-docs-list to memorialize 14:42 < Sparks> +1 14:42 < jjmcd> look at, yes; digest, no 14:42 < Sparks> jjmcd: Yeah 14:42 < stickster> I'll take the action item to get Poelstra to add the appropriate actions to the docs tasks list 14:42 < Sparks> stickster: Thank you 14:42 * jsmith stumbles back from a phone conference 14:43 < laubersm> what jjmcd said 14:43 < jsmith> (Silly $dayjob... gotta get Fedora or Red Hat to hire me) 14:43 < ke4qqq> lol 14:43 < Sparks> jsmith: Yeah, me too. 14:43 < jjmcd> That whole working for a living thing really sucks,doesn't it 14:43 < Sparks> Okay, lets take the week to digest what needs to be done and come back to it next week 14:44 < jsmith> jjmcd: I don't mind working... it's the politics that grate on my nerves 14:44 * jjmcd remembers that, but bing a full-time bum is a much sweeter gig 14:44 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Go over task table http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Task_t… 14:44 * quaid done with his meeting 14:44 < quaid> that table is a bit out of date, sorry :) 14:44 < laubersm> I was noticing that :) 14:45 < Sparks> It looks like we need to garden our table! 14:45 < quaid> heh 14:46 < quaid> I can edit and make changes while we discuss the updates, if you'd like 14:46 < quaid> (if you aren't already someone) 14:46 < jjmcd> seems like we have a bunch of projects that need to be transcluded in that list 14:46 < quaid> items missing from there? yes 14:48 * quaid edits the page now 14:48 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:49 < stickster> Yay table gardening :-) 14:49 < jjmcd> Looks like some things are dealt with, some need more detail. e.g. now that we have a CMS strategy we need to lay out the steps. 14:49 < quaid> for the first item, we are waiting on page renaming, right? 14:49 < stickster> more or less, I suppose. 14:50 < quaid> how do we feel about our toolchain now? 14:50 < quaid> is that still an open task? 14:50 -!- fab__ [n=bellet(a)bellet.info] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:51 < jjmcd> I suspect it will evolve post-CMS, wonder whether we should stress over it before 14:51 < ke4qqq> I thought our focus was to move to publican? 14:51 < quaid> s 14:51 < ke4qqq> independent of any cms 14:51 < quaid> yes 14:51 < jjmcd> I assume so 14:51 < quaid> but fedora-doc-utils still has some purpose, etc. 14:52 < quaid> how about jsmith, stickster, and I discuss next chance on IRC to see where that is and what needs to be done? 14:52 < jjmcd> But what is the point of CMS if it doesn't help our processes? Not sure we know exactly HOW yet 14:52 < quaid> this toolchain stuff is primarily the work that happens just before the CMS pulls the content in. 14:52 < quaid> but it's possible there will be stuff to *add* to the toolchain as part of the CMS work. 14:53 < jjmcd> Yes, I gather that. I suspect, tho, some things will want to change 14:53 < jjmcd> Yeah, maybe add, maybe subtract 14:53 < quaid> ok, I marked it as ongoing 14:53 < quaid> and that the three principals for that task will talk and decide what up 14:54 < jsmith> Sounds like a plan 14:54 < quaid> publican migration ... next chance I might work on that during FAD at SCaLE 7x? 14:54 < quaid> there is a branch for migrating the IG 14:54 < stickster> I think the f-d-u is a pet project only at this point, so yeah, we'll discuss that offline 14:54 < quaid> jsmith: have you looked at that? 14:54 < stickster> ("offline" == "not here, probably online") 14:54 < jsmith> quaid: Got started at FudCON, then ran into problems, haven't picked it back up yet 14:55 < jsmith> quaid: May have some time next week, while I'm playing 'Booth Babe' at a conference in Miami 14:55 < stickster> jsmith: Apparently ryanlerch did a migration of our release notes that he claims was fairly painles 14:55 < stickster> *painless, even 14:55 < stickster> I asked him to locate and augment our guidance for doing that procedure on the wiki 14:55 < ke4qqq> stickster: did he document the process? 14:55 < jsmith> stickster: That's great to hear! 14:55 < stickster> ke4qqq: q.v. ^^ 14:56 < quaid> ok, next item 14:56 < quaid> team per document is completed. 14:56 < quaid> right? 14:56 < ke4qqq> well at least lead 14:57 < jjmcd> For some, like RL, recruiting the team will be an ongoing thing, and for all probably some need 14:57 < quaid> ok, lead writer id'd still working on team 14:57 < quaid> jjmcd: yep, I just put 'ongoing' as deadline :) 14:58 -!- zoglesby [n=zoglesby@fsf/member/zoglesby] has joined #fedora-meeting 14:58 < quaid> ok I'll put the CMS status under that task 14:58 -!- CheekyBoinc [n=CheekyBo@fedora/CheekyBoinc] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:59 < Sparks> 1 minute warning 14:59 < quaid> the future of fedora docs stuff is resolved; that was all about 'get a leader who isn't stale in the head' 14:59 < quaid> the rest is fine 14:59 < stickster> The biggest issue before the group has been cleared, that's a good meeting in my bookk. 14:59 * quaid thinks that is the task list done 14:59 < stickster> Sparks: We're here for you, and know you'll do a good job. 14:59 < quaid> stickster: heck, we touched upon everything to boot! 14:59 < Sparks> :) 14:59 < Sparks> stickster: thanks. 15:00 < Sparks> Anyone have anything else? 15:00 < quaid> let's call it :0 15:00 < Sparks> 5 15:00 < laubersm> Thanks Sparks!!!! 15:00 < Sparks> 4 15:00 < Sparks> 3 15:00 < Sparks> 2 15:00 < Sparks> 1 15:00 < Sparks> Thanks folks! 15:00 < jjmcd> And the crowd roars 15:00 < Sparks> </meeting> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmA4hYACgkQfQTSQL0MFMHIdwCguvlOi962BYRHUjqvJoxpGkjr PeQAnR4ObH87PyxAIqVSMxM5gbPlhU5v =3blW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New meeting time and day for Docs Meeting
by Eric Christensen 28 Jan '09

28 Jan '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wish so many new faces that have come aboard to work with the Docs Project I think it is a good time to re-evaluate our meeting time. I created a matrix[1] that shows the available times and days when people can generally meet. I'd like to give more opportunities to our AU friends as well as to those in school. Please take a moment to edit the matrix to show when a good time for you would be. I encourage everyone that is interested in working with the Docs Project to do this so we can make the decision with as much information as possible. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix Thanks, Eric Christensen Fedora Docs Project Fedora Talk: 5102043 Phone: 919-424-0063 x 5102043 E-Mail/SIP Address: sparks(a)fedoraproject.org IRC: Sparks on freenode.net GPG Fingerprint: CA02 4ACA EB6C 1A76 F0D6 1127 7D04 D240 BD0C 14C1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmA0uMACgkQfQTSQL0MFMHAagCeIllVVGqD54VbmnNIlhAbHluG aWoAoKcrDzroqcaAm9a2jkDknI9XDfcz =mo2i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[FW: Re: what requires fedora-release-notes]
by Paul W. Frields 28 Jan '09

28 Jan '09

This just in from fedora-devel-list[1]: ----- Forwarded message from Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com> ----- From: Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com> To: fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:03:06 -0800 Subject: Re: what requires fedora-release-notes X-BeenThere: fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 19:02 +0100, Daniel Mach wrote: > > Jesse, is there any important data in this package which needs to be > shipped in Fedora at any cost? > I can imagine some legal or licensing information about Fedora. I don't believe so. ----- End forwarded message ----- [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-January/msg01967.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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