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Docs Meeting 2010-01-21 Summary
by John J. McDonough 20 Jan '10

20 Jan '10

================================================ #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21 ================================================ Meeting started by jjmcd at 00:01:45 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (jjmcd, 00:01:58) * F13 Release Schedule (jjmcd, 00:03:39) * LINK: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks.h… (jjmcd, 00:03:52) * ACTION: jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to agree to the schedule (jjmcd, 00:07:22) * Desktop Help Summit (jjmcd, 00:10:24) * LINK: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010 (jjmcd, 00:10:40) * Release Notes (jjmcd, 00:16:08) * Status on CMS (Zikula) (jjmcd, 00:18:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (jjmcd, 00:18:35) * Guide Status (jjmcd, 00:20:23) * New Guides (jjmcd, 00:21:47) * All other business (jjmcd, 00:23:21) * LINK: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq/ i'm updating that (radsy, 00:23:22) Meeting ended at 00:32:19 UTC. Action Items ------------ * jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to agree to the schedule Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jjmcd * jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to agree to the schedule * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jjmcd (72) * laubersm (10) * quaid (6) * radsy (5) * rudi (3) * zodbot (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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guide admins
by Karsten Wade 14 Jan '10

14 Jan '10

I'm on a fair number of guides in fedorahosted.org as an admin, which is great; I'm happy to be able to do any such back-up in my emeritus role. But I worry that requests are not being addressed, partially because when I go to admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts, I usually see open requests. Currently there are 11, for these groups: gittranslation-quick-start-guide. gitfedora-doc-utils. gitinstall-guide. gitreadme-burning-isos. Some suggestions: * Can active writers/leaders/admins for those groups address the open requests so people don't feel forgotten forever? * Can someone do an audit to make sure that all of our guides have active maintainers, who have admins privileges, and know to respond to the requests? * Can we coordinate to make sure requests aren't left too long? The open problem is that people request to join a group without ever knowing about or following a related joining process. When I was an active guide/group maintainer, I would cycle through, send email to people asking them to following the process at URL, then delete their request after it hung out for more than a month. cheers - Karsten -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture uri: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg: AD0E0C41

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Docs Meeting 2010-01-14 Summary
by Eric Christensen 13 Jan '10

13 Jan '10

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings =================================================================================================== Meeting started by sparks at 00:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-14/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary - --------------- * Roll Call (sparks, 00:00:28) * F13 Release Schedule (sparks, 00:05:55) * LINK: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks.h… (sparks, 00:06:04) * ACTION: jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13 schedule. (sparks, 00:11:26) * Desktop Help Summit (sparks, 00:14:32) * LINK: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010 (sparks, 00:14:40) * Release Notes (sparks, 00:33:32) * Status on CMS (Zikula) (sparks, 00:34:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (sparks, 00:34:35) * Guide Status (sparks, 00:37:15) * New Guides (sparks, 00:53:04) * Open discussion (sparks, 00:53:51) Meeting ended at 01:04:20 UTC. Action Items - ------------ * jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13 schedule. Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * jjmcd * jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13 schedule. * poelcat * jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13 schedule. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * sparks (73) * jjmcd (57) * nirik (15) * bcotton (14) * laubersm (12) * zodbot (6) * mchua (4) * shaunm (4) * poelcat (3) * ianweller (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot - -- - --Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLTm4jAAoJEDbiLlqcYamxSekQAK+AufTLxfTZQiqsySLXUKIY 6s8eJVCGyRizqBDg39+6HYmvakLQpD6Bg25cR1/6xzFGx1jFU4O+yJjYR9j36tct 9cpV6mRXNJA6R9rQbCXqVkopx6qaFiIJhlTw6RyIqrIWd8NhQJlUNcXcX23R1oUT iHVkMw53DJlNaqnMlwq1j5QjfI8vRnGr3iqjLa6bHSpDJaZbWgpXpQXX8Lm+AL5r l+BpQ8xVgcml+EjueTI4TsiCZE5uglpJqfUbnSlSm1VsvBKPoQSU9eS5w6TuPveQ ADerTSNgRsgvG0x5ITaColeV835O24mlYxeIrbTjGMtSPQ5zOE63fbqkKTVCoX3D uDQCyiU9dIvBtrXBb957aJFp0wYrtTdAObGXtexHiTld9k3TqdMivHQ2ps6pD8yR sA5StingBQKOxuRY1sFwcZA1nhNiBJZQC6LpT2oJSVkXabOMnjqpkKA3wlAv9Ioh ySJ0D1WiyosGpLqqKKiNjhVVMu8E2v1aRnSnoA1/3ncRjE0BpmgxkHmPAzIXZf0V y2STT3VVa546auyQcwVKK1IRBidhuyDcoapbRPuyWOyaoGWbEuW70FAbUpVkZViK mZyEz7JpxVUlBarc9J6ndXFlBJtGLqXaF+Bvs1bnq2MD07UwmdsKiuYpo30jA/3B g8f9ko+8zEdKumiVeNSl =8p78 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Docs Meeting 2010-01-14 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 13 Jan '10

13 Jan '10

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 00:00:23 <sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 00:00:23 2010 UTC. The chair is sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:00:28 <sparks> #topic Roll Call 00:00:29 * sparks 00:00:43 * jjmcd . 00:00:49 <sparks> #chair jjmcd 00:00:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: jjmcd sparks 00:01:32 <jjmcd> ummm, where are all the other troublemakers and ne'er-do-wells ? 00:01:45 <sparks> I donno... 00:01:54 <sparks> I figured they'd be along.. 00:02:12 <jjmcd> I put stickster_afk's topic on the agenda 00:02:32 * bcotton is here and is both a troublemaker AND a ne'er-do-well 00:02:36 * laubersm slinks into the back 00:05:35 <sparks> Okay, let's get started. 00:05:55 <sparks> #topic F13 Release Schedule 00:06:04 <sparks> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks.h… 00:06:29 <jjmcd> I never did get with poelcat on my concerns, but they were mostly nit-picks 00:08:14 <sparks> poelcat: You around? 00:08:20 <poelcat> present 00:08:51 * jjmcd hasn't been able to find his note just now 00:09:10 <sparks> heh 00:09:20 <jjmcd> John, I had a few concerns about the sked, nothing that really affects anyone else. A few things could start earlier, a few things had confusing wording 00:09:29 <sparks> poelcat: Well, apparently jjmcd wants to nit pick the schedule but now doesn't have the notes he made. 00:09:29 <jjmcd> But I need to dig to find my notes 00:09:53 <jjmcd> No biggies tho 00:10:12 <jjmcd> I have a feeling I may have made them on a piece of dead tree 00:11:26 <sparks> #action jjmcd to get with poelcat to work out the minor issues to the F13 schedule. 00:11:57 <sparks> poelcat: Sorry about that. I thought we might have a break through 00:11:58 <jjmcd> yeah, grepping paper is a pain 00:12:13 <poelcat> okay, let me know when you want to schedule an "intervention" ;-) 00:12:47 <sparks> Okay... anything else on the F13 schedule? 00:13:00 <sparks> I know I looked over it and didn't see anything major that was broken. 00:13:06 <jjmcd> poelcat, I'll email you my nit-picks 00:13:25 <poelcat> jjmcd: okay, please include line refs 00:13:30 <jjmcd> Yeah 00:13:36 <jjmcd> I did that on my notes 00:13:48 * ianweller is here 00:14:05 <sparks> Okay, moving on. 00:14:20 <sparks> poelcat: thanks 00:14:32 <sparks> #topic Desktop Help Summit 00:14:40 <sparks> #link http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010 00:14:59 <sparks> I guess shaunm isn't here tonight... 00:15:24 <jjmcd> Does everyone know about it? 00:15:26 <sparks> So the Docs Project has been invited to the GNOME Desktop Help Summit... 00:16:00 <sparks> which will include people from different flavors (Ubuntu, etc) and different desktops (KDE, GNOME, etc).. 00:16:14 <sparks> to help come up with a standard way of pushing documentation to the user. 00:16:35 <jjmcd> I see no XFCE rep - just noticed that 00:17:08 <sparks> As you know we use Yelp in GNOME, which works well with XML, but KDE like HTML and XFCE and Sugar and... might like HTML or XML or whatever. 00:17:16 <bcotton> jjmcd: jim campbell is listed as being a part of xfce 00:17:38 <sparks> But the problem is that we can't push a single format and have all our desktop users access it similarly. 00:17:50 <sparks> And don't get me started with the translations. 00:18:14 <sparks> So if you are interested in going I need to know by next week. 00:18:39 <sparks> Please include your transportation costs. 00:19:03 <jjmcd> Are we going to try to hang a Fedora event on it? 00:19:12 <sparks> Shaun is attempting to find some funding but I have asked spevack for some assistance as well. 00:19:18 <sparks> We could. 00:19:20 <jjmcd> THere was some discussion of maybe something Monday 00:19:27 <sparks> I sent a note to the list and got zero responses. 00:20:07 <laubersm> too far out for me to plan.... 00:20:38 * jjmcd not decided on drive/fly 00:20:46 <laubersm> and I haven't been involved enough in the packaging (format decisions) to make a contribution 00:21:12 <jjmcd> laubersm, so a good opportunity then 00:21:17 <sparks> well, as long as jjmcd gets there. 00:21:27 <laubersm> ha! 00:21:29 <sparks> laubersm: True... it would be a great opportunity. 00:22:03 * bcotton could be interested potentially, but it would interfere with my basketball obsession 00:22:10 <laubersm> Schedule looks doubtful for me though - the previous weekend already has 2 items and I don't know my work/travel sched until about 2 weeks in advance... 00:22:28 <laubersm> make it hard to book a non-reundable from home when I may need to originate from elsewhere 00:22:36 <jjmcd> Ahh, so you could arrange to be in chicago the week before 00:23:02 <laubersm> non-refundable is about 400 and flexible is about 2k 00:23:16 <laubersm> Ask RH training.... 00:23:20 <jjmcd> yeah, dontcha love it 00:23:28 <laubersm> if they put in Chicago before or after I'll be there 00:24:40 <jjmcd> Hey look 00:24:43 <sparks> speak of the devil 00:24:59 <jjmcd> Ears must have been burning 00:25:00 <shaunm> I told you, electric shocks 00:25:04 <sparks> heh 00:25:13 <shaunm> what's up? 00:25:25 <jjmcd> We were just on the second topic 00:25:26 <sparks> we're just talking about the summit 00:25:54 <shaunm> ah, ok 00:26:55 <nirik> jjmcd: The Xfce sig has a mailing list now... you could send your questions to there? ;) 00:27:26 <jjmcd> nirik, Nathan did some testing for us 00:27:33 <jjmcd> Looks encouraging 00:28:02 <nirik> cool. Let us know if we can do anything more to assist on it. 00:28:12 <jjmcd> thanks 00:28:31 <jjmcd> And it looks like shaunm has xfce covered for the summit 00:29:10 <shaunm> Jim's coming, yes. There aren't a whole lot of people doing xfce documentation 00:30:07 <nirik> yeah. ;( 00:32:23 <sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic? 00:33:23 <sparks> Okay, moving on. 00:33:32 <sparks> #topic Release Notes 00:33:44 <sparks> jjmcd: Anything to discuss about the Release Notes? 00:34:03 <jjmcd> Nothing much to report on that front other than the packaging program which prolly fits better w/guides 00:34:13 <sparks> Okay 00:34:27 <sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:34:35 <sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:34:43 <sparks> ke4qqq: You around? 00:34:47 <sparks> mchua: ping 00:35:20 <mchua> sparks: pong 00:35:30 * mchua reads up 00:35:32 <sparks> mchua: Anything else going on with Zikula that you know of? 00:35:55 <mchua> I am going through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox as we speak, so we'll find out shortly 00:35:58 <mchua> but nothing has hit yet 00:36:04 <sparks> okay 00:36:08 <sparks> no problem. 00:36:22 <sparks> Anyone have anything on this they'd like to discuss before moving on? 00:37:01 <sparks> mchua: Thank you. 00:37:15 <sparks> #topic Guide Status 00:37:26 <sparks> jjmcd: What you got. 00:37:43 <jjmcd> Last week I was supposed to make a test rpm from packaging prog 00:37:56 <jjmcd> I picked IG since it is more complex than RNs 00:38:14 <jjmcd> Ended up improving prog, works in Gnome, KDE and XFCE 00:38:21 <jjmcd> However, Paul found a prob 00:38:41 <jjmcd> Sent out a fixed doc to test, no reponse yet 00:38:52 <jjmcd> Fixed prog not on git yet, will do that tomorrow 00:39:23 <jjmcd> But you can take your guide, build N languages, prog will make a package with the correct functionality 00:39:43 <sparks> cool 00:40:00 <jjmcd> Just fill in a short config file with stuff like version, author, run prog and out pops RPM and SRPM 00:40:20 <jjmcd> Reminded me of the old adage 00:40:29 <jjmcd> To iterate is human, to recurse divine 00:40:37 <jjmcd> Had to do that to deal with IG 00:40:59 <sparks> cool 00:41:02 <sparks> so that works 00:41:12 <jjmcd> Yeah, would like more testing tho 00:41:24 <jjmcd> posted the test doc's url to the list 00:42:14 <sparks> If I could ever get a second... :) 00:42:24 <jjmcd> I know that feeling 00:43:02 <sparks> Does anyone have anything else? 00:43:18 * nirik has a small item for open floor when/if that happens. 00:43:30 <sparks> nirik: that will be in just a minute 00:43:40 * bcotton can fulfill his promise re: rpm guide 00:43:48 <sparks> excellent 00:43:54 <jjmcd> way cool 00:44:33 <bcotton> here's where we stand. jsmith has labored to get it all publicanized. i've fixed a few typos, and we're ready to start making real edits 00:44:36 <jjmcd> bcotton, since you are now an rpm guru, would you like to review the rpm-making prog? 00:44:45 <bcotton> jjmcd, sure 00:45:05 <bcotton> so what i need for the guide now is some guidance from the old hands about how much we want to change 00:45:06 <jjmcd> I'll send you the repo addy after I push the latest changes 00:45:50 <bcotton> do we just want to update the technical facts, do we want to completely re-write it, do we want to do something in between 00:46:16 <jjmcd> Have you spoken with Florian? 00:46:35 <bcotton> i have not 00:47:03 <jjmcd> He is kind of the customer 00:47:21 <jjmcd> Ffesti - I don't see an email on his user page 00:47:35 <bcotton> i'm sure i can find one on the Googles or something 00:47:53 <jjmcd> I suspect it is something arcane like ffesti(a)rh.c 00:48:09 <jjmcd> .fasinfo ffesti 00:48:10 <zodbot> jjmcd: User: ffesti, Name: Florian Festi, email: ffesti(a)redhat.com, Creation: 2006-07-04, IRC Nick: ffesti, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5100764, GPG key ID: , Status: active 00:48:13 <bcotton> i assume we're covered from a copyright standpoint, right? 00:48:14 <zodbot> jjmcd: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs packager hgLHCP gitpyrpm cla_fedora svnsystem-config-printer hgsystem-config-services gitsystem-config-printer 00:48:18 <zodbot> jjmcd: Unapproved Groups: None 00:48:56 <bcotton> in that we won't get in trouble with the original author for re-writing his work 00:49:27 <jjmcd> I remember having a discussion about that like a hundred years ago 00:49:54 <jjmcd> Can't say I recall what our concerns were, tho. If there are any issues, Florian would be on top of them 00:49:56 <bcotton> i know someone was looking into it, but i dont know if we ever got that covered. iirc, he didn't have a CLA 00:50:52 <bcotton> okay, cool. well i'll get in touch with florian and start getting the guide updated. i guess that covers me for now, unless anyone else wants to talk rpm guide 00:52:36 <sparks> Okay, anything else? 00:53:04 <sparks> #topic New Guides 00:53:11 <sparks> Okay, any new guides anyone wants to talk about? 00:53:51 <sparks> #topic Open discussion 00:53:55 <sparks> nirik: You had something? 00:54:12 <nirik> It looks like we are going to be splitting out the fedora-rawhide.repo file from the main fedora-release file. I said I would look for where we need to update docs about this. I know the rawhide wiki page needs updating. Is there any way I can find out where else needs changing? should I file a bug/ticket and/or work with folks in #fedora-docs? or other suggestions? 00:55:12 <jjmcd> I guess I don't totally understand the impact, so I presume maybe somebody else also doesn't 00:55:47 <jjmcd> nirik, filing bugs is a good thing, they don't get lost, but we will need an SME to help 00:56:06 <nirik> yeah, basically the files that tell yum and packagekit about the rawhide repo will be in a subpackage thats not installed by default. 00:56:26 <nirik> so, if you want to go from a stable release-> rawhide you have to install that package and then enable it, instead of just enabling it. 00:56:34 <laubersm> I doubt there is much documentation on it other than in the wiki on how to use rawhide 00:56:42 <jjmcd> Oh, that actually sounds like an improvement 00:56:43 <nirik> yeah, I don't know where it would be. 00:56:57 <laubersm> if anyone sees it - a bug on that doc would be the best way. 00:56:59 <nirik> what docs would refer to rawhide in particular. 00:57:23 <sparks> nirik: Is this going to be post F13? 00:57:34 <laubersm> A note to the docs list would alert any guide owners to think if there is a reference .... maybe install but I even boubt that since it so GA focused 00:57:54 <nirik> sparks: the change should be made in this rawhide cycle... so f13 would be the first release with it. 00:57:59 <jjmcd> Should have a release note for the change, tho 00:58:22 <nirik> yeah, most docs I can think of are talking about stable release... not rawhide, but thought I would ask 00:58:32 <sparks> jjmcd: That was my thought 00:58:35 <nirik> yes, release note is a very good idea. 00:59:32 <sparks> nirik: something on the news feed would be good too 00:59:43 <nirik> FWN? 00:59:53 <sparks> yeah 01:00:08 <nirik> ok. 01:00:45 <nirik> thanks for the suggestions. ;) 01:01:09 <sparks> no problem. good luck! 01:01:44 <sparks> Anything else? 01:04:12 <sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for coming out tonight. 01:04:20 <sparks> #endmeeting - -- - --Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLTm34AAoJEDbiLlqcYamxGYMP/AuyMTWKBOiBc46r7DIa43xd NwgKci82BIlf18MYwkJiz80CTOdT2ToOVtvIWIqXqOBZrKiQb73q68LziHlrxDTM Zz+E1A3lSVGcgA6z320jXJQ/7lCVDKn4jDsFLEOm0/k6EKl/kEmoQbNCQQo7Hkkj dYjc1YJmnjD3xdRf2UVnygsHofNb+v5GstyGpDO59oWDVsZq5mspV8TUDfvDCCcq SDQbRXG1i0wdDjj9oSJ/rSietFCd4p8j82uufYgHk+AH6/Od5RsrCeWtWtGcUzY/ 0RBLEk+sDTcjqH+kTUF5hweiaqUgrGtSPAsmSEbibwpAp0FLexAmH+R6P7AzBwXu 9PGfWGc5QdEfCZLJBgv+ezmvHwyZyBMl4mEagXZXrXeGY4dAobSI69B+xkxvTQLt iJrcFGmpMqfkSOYia7l+ON3SeOPm8NCDASMp/ENov6zD1cgd64vP9bKH/kjTO0jz ZWE1lgIQifRNTwWzmjiPISIha6KMgePTIfPC7n4slxZQoUFc2jqYBhmHJ8bdx3MK tTAyMDmFMQ0JxzuXYBA6ioi8oC8eYChstNhBl+F8nqAccXk8FeU4rrpChAxwUzcv anKrO56SZQEdcnZN4+cWw5Kv3wIi9vsfyHC/GTclDikREpmRQwlmYXnCnIBmWz6G vy149GEOwRj+1Iuu2IWA =/VMZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fwd: Re: Docs in Sugar
by Eric Christensen 13 Jan '10

13 Jan '10

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John, Does this make sense to you? Eric - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Docs in Sugar Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:40:06 -0800 From: S Page <skierpage(a)gmail.com> To: Eric Christensen <eric(a)christensenplace.us> CC: fedora-olpc-list(a)redhat.com (I'm going through OLPC e-mails and came across this old thread. It doesn't look like anyone else responded.) > Do you know what software drives that offline manual? There's a nice short explanation at http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/help , which also has its Python code: - - - - The Help activity is a manual for Sugar and the OLPC XO. It currently opens a gecko instance to a remix of chapters from the Flossmanuals[1] Sugar[2], XO[3] and activity manuals. - - - - More details and some ideas for the Help activity are at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help > The Fedora > Documentation Project is working on making sure our documentation is > accessible to everyone regardless of the desktop. The help documentation is just HTML pages (from flossmanuals.net, incorporated into git, and put in the activity bundle), so on some other desktop "Sugar Help Documentation" could simply launch a local or remote URL of a suitable start page, and let the user's default browser open it. (IMO that's all Sugar should do, but reasonable people disagree ;-) .) Presumably on this other desktop the user would not be running on OLPC hardware, so a remix[4] of chapters from the Flossmanuals Sugar and activity manuals without the XO hardware info seems more appropriate. Sugar Labs might have created this set of pages this already but I couldn't find it; you could ask on a Sugar mailing list, if you haven't already. Hope this helps. - -- =S Page [1] http://en.flossmanuals.net/ [2] http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar [3] http://en.flossmanuals.net/XO [4] http://en.flossmanuals.net/remix - -- - --Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLTlIRAAoJEDbiLlqcYamxrx8P/jf6bA4hNoTYpPQf0Knvc47D BlOx6I8MJXlokBImL84AvjqnGUPFYFYKb3KV7SbC/zLcNQvOX51Jx0Lr7yQSMtOh dWTRf0/2wOKzsKO6g+m07oVbz3ZPZ+OTnKe7BWN6P8UY7iwkDd0VcF2ZvQ3HdkVs Xz885NJsKj+u2Ral9+ElrwjsFOhTZJrIeAXv4MhHXV24b5X2q9jGyFM1KpggLQVm mvV+KfT7YjOV+Gu968aQaHEfZ+epmL503dvW8A+eJKlU4z30JM4OnlAxWJBBJBM5 cO6/3+TSYDuU3dUY+yfDsiXNkGxRrnleO4j4x8xjRYVEjbCeyK9XxDKAwDHAQddr +RKOOLY0NZj08nqAqVg54I8wROrKDn4lVpWZDpXpnpiQbJN3l8FWJJSZuwO3l6Jf 9LAKUq3Y8aEkv4SiCgOpiKQFOjthwqk1j8/i2BkE8+l7rdA3Y1tgxdJkJzqWp6vF bQpppS7PvjHG1MQhjIbTWSxPy1/M9xhvFSZfUKGl0Vjbuc2lbBADqB7OncNTqr1u 51VUNRTd7pLssT/czAKtklrD07AoXK87+88M7vZlqj9ZMgVCVnde7hfhmcWwntJY sE1jzgSA0nVodILEnIecKPgGsgAJXscWy+YhI+dsXPTaXoaIbntd2to3vJ1CErWn zjmQ61LEc/0U/J7JdGnu =oxb8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder
by Eric Christensen 13 Jan '10

13 Jan '10

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 REMINDER: There will be a Fedora Docs Meeting today at 0001 UTC. The agenda can be found at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLTj+4AAoJEDbiLlqcYamxUK0P/AzVLY+AwjPgaAtEtFWTAR0Y odpgOAWJY51/hcARgdv72Fa4nokGqRZpg+PKa56hszPTwhXRUDPf2moUc6fIWhE1 8rJsfmU+zU2Ue7J49YlvS2MqetefiskbOQRLKSkuSdAVpqiei8ta9U1aYc/2RsC4 IqcmRLGn6+Ic7Y7X0K5s4ShbGfXQm290VfSy/VK6FTgJqRbGF480Dxmwjx/aX8A5 YB2zygFJhrEyT1LFHcSAZPk6dBX0MGgeDBIa03vlzUPQruJZ4mWM6a1ZcZjcd7Os 03+RmKO8uA+3G06UKqu3Z787IGd3a5hLkI6YJ1mCaEJtc7Pg3UETxlhAcPtfpSiN 5SrAh4tqtKUQnjWUg32/4DOZHpEnMX08CoHJiL2f20bQyB8yC4Q54Q4iNOTiakui kf5GmX8PpuaIKN2yKkeW4RLFAv9nKo9T7wXTvtvKgPOcjqZoVWXuinltZ5++OJOh 2VK6h9JEWtKbAzQP0O3dxGpyBJHqYrnImRoEuukoKXpjc0ghlY8+EnJp+kjWsZlH X7hbg2w9smUYgWBLZgFAfa82dJPP/muK565uYV08DmaVyWc+A8ZW3ZhT8rasUnMk kiwDf43pIvLUpfrdpHTN8o4f1Uy88bRTeIq3G44l2SMHDMqFT+48N0uTRMHR7E6q mlly7XBmq6my13etdxxu =1kuc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Test RPM
by John J. McDonough 12 Jan '10

12 Jan '10

I sent this over the weekend, and apparently it got lost in the list shuffle, so lets see if it makes it this time, or maybe we'll eventually get a duplicate: At Thursday morning's meeting, one of my tasks was to put together an RPM for testing with the various desktops. I have such an RPM at <http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1911849&name=ig-12.2.1-3.…> This is not a particularly useful document since I only packaged four languages to keep the size down. I picked the Install Guide rather than the Release Notes since it is a more complex document, but I didn't do all the po file merging, so the documents are only partially translated. In using the Install Guide I ran across an oversight in my packaging program which has been corrected (and pushed to git). But you can install it an check that on the various desktops it shows up in multiple languages. The languages in the RPM are U. S. English, Spanish (Español), Kannada (ಕನ್ನಡ), and Traditional Chinese (繁體中文). I wanted a few languages with different character sets just in case there was some weirdness there. Kannada won simply because most of the other Indic languages had errors in the translation and would not build. The document SHOULD show up in Gnome under System->Documentation, in KDE under System, and in XFCE under Other. Unfortunately, Book_Info.xml was mostly not translated, so the menu choices are mostly English. Note that on a pure KDE system, the pre-login language chooser you see in Gnome is not available. On a Gnome/KDE system, it is, but KDE seems to ignore it for about 90% of the things that should be changed. KDE has several places where the language can be changed, but none seem to do it 100%. We need some KDE expert. Kannada does not seem to work well at all, again, perhaps a system normally used that way would be better. On my system, Epiphany sees the language code as "kn IN" (no dash or underscore), all the other browsers see some variant of US English when logged in with Kannada as the selected language. I think I may need to do an extensive investigation. es-ES and zh-TW seem to work fine, but we need more eyes. --McD

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Mail moderator queue
by Paul W. Frields 10 Jan '10

10 Jan '10

I just discarded a ton of mail from the moderator queue, but let one or two oldies in that had been there since... well, a while. :-) -- Paul

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Submitting a patch
by Nathan Thomas 07 Jan '10

07 Jan '10

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Re: [Drafts] Command Line Survival Guide
by Vedran Miletić 07 Jan '10

07 Jan '10

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:57 AM, <rkavalap(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I believe I tried to mention about this previously, there already exists > a free open source command line guide in the link below. > http://en.flossmanuals.net/ > > It should be a good resource in developing a command line documentation in > the fedora project. I will try to provide some hands on it some time soon. Thanks for offering your help and information about this resource. My primary inspiration was http://doc.mandrivalinux.com/MandrivaLinux/101/en/Command-Line.pdf -- a bit out of date, but mostly useful, while JamesMcElhannon found his inspiration in Debian's CLI manual. Nevertheless, it's always good to have more than one source. As I mentioned, the text is quite raw indeed. Formatting is bad, but I'm fixing it as I progress in through all the written stuff. One thing that is outstanding is that "Commonly Used Commands" section needs to be reformed with a bit more examples, and uncommon parameters removed. If someone wants to do it, feel free to; I will start working on it as soon as I find time. -- Vedran Miletić

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