Feb 20 21:58:26 <quaid> <meeting> Feb 20 21:58:37 <quaid> ... cuz someone had to pull the trigger :D Feb 20 21:59:06 <jmbuser> Hello, everyone - just a second as I pull up the agenda... Feb 20 21:59:10 <EvilBob> stickster (Paul Frields) is not able to join us today Feb 20 21:59:44 <EvilBob> quaid (Karsten Wade) is multitasking Feb 20 21:59:58 <EvilBob> I am Bob Jensen Feb 20 22:00:12 <jmbuser> John Babich Feb 20 22:00:21 <quaid> I am Fedora Feb 20 22:00:23 <couf> bpepple|lt: art Couvreur here Feb 20 22:00:24 <jsmith> Jared Smith (eating and typing at the same time) Feb 20 22:00:26 <quaid> uh, that is, Karsten Feb 20 22:00:34 <couf> ow that wasn't for you bpepple|lt Feb 20 22:00:42 <jsmith> quaid: You are Fedora and I can too? Feb 20 22:01:03 <quaid> kthx! Feb 20 22:01:18 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred@unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:01:50 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem is Ben Williams, he is one of my partners on the Install Guide Feb 20 22:02:00 * jmbuser is on a connection slightly better than dialup Feb 20 22:02:05 <Sparks> Eric Feb 20 22:02:27 <quaid> EvilBob: can you back up jmbuser to drive the meeting if jmbuser drops and I appear distracted? Feb 20 22:02:40 <EvilBob> quaid: always Feb 20 22:02:42 <quaid> jmbuser: I think the previous agenda should suffice Feb 20 22:03:00 <jmbuser> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings is the link Feb 20 22:03:14 <couf> wiki slowness Feb 20 22:03:49 <jmbuser> please ignore my lousy time and date link Feb 20 22:05:16 <EvilBob> One Summary update Feb 20 22:05:26 <EvilBob> Who has this task? Feb 20 22:05:31 * mbacovsk has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 20 22:05:52 <quaid> jonrob and I have been bouncing it a bit, i guess Feb 20 22:06:03 <EvilBob> quaid: any updates? Feb 20 22:06:08 <quaid> I think he and I got a good understanding last time, and may have consensus :) Feb 20 22:06:13 <quaid> the misunderstanding, for the record, Feb 20 22:06:26 <quaid> was that folks thought the Single Summary is intended Feb 20 22:06:29 <quaid> to be read from top to bottom Feb 20 22:06:41 <quaid> rather, instead, it is meant to be a source for other things that are themselves read alone Feb 20 22:07:14 <quaid> so we can have slightly duplicate information for different audiences, all in the one SingleSUmmary Feb 20 22:07:30 <EvilBob> Sure Feb 20 22:07:49 <quaid> otherwise, we'll have to do more work there as Beta approaches Feb 20 22:07:57 <quaid> we have that on the schedule? Feb 20 22:08:24 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:08:45 <EvilBob> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule Feb 20 22:09:34 <EvilBob> I do not see it on http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html Feb 20 22:09:37 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr@p54B11803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:11:06 <EvilBob> so we need to get that targeted and info sent to poelcat Feb 20 22:11:19 <EvilBob> next items Feb 20 22:11:35 <EvilBob> Update on active content work Feb 20 22:12:05 <jmbuser> Relnotes one sheet - anyone? Feb 20 22:12:15 <EvilBob> any of the active documents have an update Feb 20 22:12:19 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("Be Naughty! Save Santa the trip.") Feb 20 22:12:43 <jmbuser> DUG has been quiet lately Feb 20 22:13:24 <jmbuser> I believe Crypto Guide had some activity recently Feb 20 22:13:42 <Sparks> A little Feb 20 22:14:27 <jmbuser> Sparks: Care to expand on that? Feb 20 22:14:36 <Sparks> I haven't had the time to spend on really putting the information together... Feb 20 22:14:51 <Sparks> but some of the information is out there it just needs to be pulled in... Feb 20 22:15:20 <Sparks> to the Crypto Guide. i don't know how indepth I really need to go for... Feb 20 22:15:40 <Sparks> the LUKS portion as it is fairly automated in F9. The procedure is... Feb 20 22:15:53 <Sparks> still there for users of F8. EOF Feb 20 22:16:14 <jmbuser> Sparks: Thanks Feb 20 22:16:22 * jmtaylor (n=jason@c-76-112-119-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:16:34 <EvilBob> I have a couple things for the IG, this week we will be looking things over to figure out our time line for poelcat Feb 20 22:16:59 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:17:23 <EvilBob> I need to get a couple F9Alpha installs done so I am up to speed Feb 20 22:17:29 <EvilBob> EOF Feb 20 22:17:39 <couf> AG is as DUG pretty silent the last time Feb 20 22:17:46 <jmbuser> EvilBob: And thanks to you Feb 20 22:17:49 <couf> need to get that back up to speed and do the conversion Feb 20 22:18:35 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:18:40 <jmbuser> couf: Is the AG pretty much complete? Feb 20 22:19:02 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:19:09 <quaid> can anyone work with poelcat to get our schedule updated? we have tarets that are not integrated, etc. Feb 20 22:19:24 <couf> honestly I haven't got time to look at it lately Feb 20 22:19:37 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:19:57 <jmbuser> Thanks, Couf - back to quaid's question Feb 20 22:20:04 <couf> so I'm feeling a slip coming, if we look at the original schedule Feb 20 22:20:20 <jmbuser> or not... Feb 20 22:20:53 <EvilBob> quaid: I will see if I can get with poelcat this weekend Feb 20 22:21:00 * sereinity (n=sereinit@ALyon-755-1-4-156.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:21:05 * Southern_Gentlem has quit ("In a world without walls, who needs Windows") Feb 20 22:21:09 * poelcat books flight to MN Feb 20 22:21:24 <quaid> yeah, it might all be there but it's not in one place or ratified Feb 20 22:21:33 <EvilBob> poelcat: do I need to call the butcher and clean the spare room? Feb 20 22:22:34 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred@unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:22:37 <EvilBob> The wind chill was -45F this morning Feb 20 22:23:33 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:23:45 <quaid> yeah, but at least it's not raining like in Portland! Feb 20 22:23:48 <EvilBob> Beats? Feb 20 22:23:55 <jmbuser> EvilBob: So you and poelcat will stave off the cold by revising the schedule? Feb 20 22:24:02 <quaid> beats are too quiet Feb 20 22:24:09 <EvilBob> how is the Release notes coming? Feb 20 22:24:14 <quaid> we need to push on all the sub-projects we know to start putting in their stuff Feb 20 22:24:29 <jmbuser> especially ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion? Feb 20 22:24:40 <quaid> fortunately I think a lot of stuff is happening in the Features that usually happens in the Beats Feb 20 22:25:12 <jmbuser> true Feb 20 22:25:20 <EvilBob> quaid: is that going to be enough? Feb 20 22:26:45 <EvilBob> OK next Feb 20 22:27:02 <jmbuser> Meeting Time settled or need more discussion? Feb 20 22:27:05 <EvilBob> I know quaid will answer when he has a chance Feb 20 22:27:13 * couf probably going to disappear in a few, freenode server reboot Feb 20 22:27:17 <EvilBob> Meeting time Feb 20 22:27:25 <stickster> EvilBob: Installation Guide? Feb 20 22:27:28 <EvilBob> is this good for everyone? Feb 20 22:27:41 <EvilBob> stickster: yes? Feb 20 22:27:57 <EvilBob> stickster: I noted it above Feb 20 22:28:04 <stickster> Sorry, I looked back and missed it Feb 20 22:28:22 <EvilBob> stickster: It's OK Feb 20 22:28:59 <jmbuser> Concerning the meeting time - this works for me Feb 20 22:29:04 <quaid> EvilBob: probably not enough Feb 20 22:29:38 <EvilBob> the IG is going to take three phases, Update existing content, Return/rewrite older dropped content, add new features Feb 20 22:29:57 <EvilBob> at least that is what we see right now Feb 20 22:30:36 <EvilBob> quaid: OK I will look through and start bugging people, will CC the list when I do so via email Feb 20 22:31:22 * pingou has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 20 22:31:24 <EvilBob> Meeting time is good Feb 20 22:31:33 <EvilBob> so Leadership! Feb 20 22:31:44 <jmbuser> Everyone agree on the meeting time? Feb 20 22:32:02 * pingou (n=Pingou@fedora/pingou) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:32:02 <jsmith> Uh... Feb 20 22:32:04 <EvilBob> I think we do agree on the meeting time Feb 20 22:32:10 <EvilBob> jsmith?? Feb 20 22:32:17 <EvilBob> you are the odd man out Feb 20 22:32:24 <jsmith> Making it Wednesday permanently? Feb 20 22:32:28 <EvilBob> jsmith: is this workable? Feb 20 22:32:36 <couf> fine for me Feb 20 22:32:42 <jsmith> Sure... and hour earlier would work better for me, but if this works best for everyone else, I'll make it work Feb 20 22:32:44 <EvilBob> jsmith: nothing is perenent Feb 20 22:32:46 <quaid> ok2me Feb 20 22:33:10 <EvilBob> permanent Feb 20 22:33:25 <jmbuser> jsmith: Thanks for the flexibility. Feb 20 22:33:25 <EvilBob> but "for now" Feb 20 22:33:28 <jsmith> OK, sounds good Feb 20 22:33:30 <jsmith> +1 Feb 20 22:33:36 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 20 22:33:40 <EvilBob> +1 Feb 20 22:33:51 <couf> +1 Feb 20 22:34:03 * dstarh (n=dstarh__@corp.ediets.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:34:06 <jsmith> And since stickster is away, I'll put in his vote as well ;-) Feb 20 22:34:06 <EvilBob> stickster is a +1 Feb 20 22:34:17 * dstarh (n=dstarh__@corp.ediets.com) has left #fedora-meeting ("Leaving") Feb 20 22:34:21 <Southern_Gentlem> stickster quaid VOTE Feb 20 22:34:26 <EvilBob> jsmith: back off, I am driving this train Feb 20 22:34:33 <EvilBob> LOL Feb 20 22:34:38 <quaid> 'sides I already voted :) Feb 20 22:34:41 <stickster> +1 Feb 20 22:34:50 <jmbuser> OK, so Time: 1900 Hrs UTC it is Feb 20 22:35:02 <jmbuser> Date: Wednesday Feb 20 22:35:03 <quaid> in that I made the proposal! Feb 20 22:35:03 <stickster> What was that issue again? Feb 20 22:35:03 <stickster> j/k Feb 20 22:35:03 <quaid> heh Feb 20 22:35:03 <EvilBob> We have all in Feb 20 22:35:04 <jsmith> It's anonymous! ;-) Feb 20 22:35:07 * DanseMakabre (i=pat@bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:35:10 <quaid> EvilBob: btw, I started an email to the list about vice chairs and all that jazz, but never got in completed :) Feb 20 22:35:11 <jsmith> Or magnanimous... or something... Feb 20 22:35:17 <quaid> but I did want to get that into the agenda Feb 20 22:35:45 <couf> so Leadership then? Feb 20 22:35:53 <jmbuser> quaid: So you did Feb 20 22:35:57 <EvilBob> Since FUDcon and before we have been talking about our leadership Feb 20 22:36:31 <EvilBob> it has been known that for some time now quaid has expressed interest in getting replaced Feb 20 22:36:54 <EvilBob> We were going to railroad stickster in to that job but he found another one Feb 20 22:37:25 <EvilBob> We have done a poor job of grooming leadership Feb 20 22:37:42 <EvilBob> we have focused on the few and left many behind Feb 20 22:37:57 <quaid> well, we've been focused on making a system to write content Feb 20 22:38:00 <quaid> and teach ppl how to do that Feb 20 22:38:09 <quaid> which has been pretty successful itself Feb 20 22:38:22 <EvilBob> What i suggested to quaid was a Vice Chair that is, a Chair in training Feb 20 22:39:00 <quaid> right, which forces the current Chair (me) to get whatever down in the wiki that is missing and to train the VC to do that in the future. Feb 20 22:39:14 <EvilBob> a 18month? term that would include 6months of learning the ropes and 6months of teaching the next one Feb 20 22:39:25 <quaid> also, a VC gives a chance to split up active leadership duties more, so more gets done Feb 20 22:40:10 <EvilBob> so with our next election we would be voting in a Vice Chair Feb 20 22:40:36 <EvilBob> this Vice chair becomes the big deal after 6 months Feb 20 22:40:37 <Sparks> ? Feb 20 22:40:47 * herlo (n=clints@166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:40:51 <couf> fair proposition Feb 20 22:40:53 <EvilBob> Sparks: Yes? Feb 20 22:41:00 <Sparks> When are elections and how is voting handled? Feb 20 22:41:33 <EvilBob> Sparks: FESCo picks it's leadership Feb 20 22:41:53 <EvilBob> Sparks: the group of 7 votes Feb 20 22:42:02 <Sparks> Ahhh... okay... Feb 20 22:42:25 <jmbuser> FAMSCo works the same way Feb 20 22:42:25 <EvilBob> Sparks: the membership picks FDSCo Feb 20 22:42:33 <EvilBob> FDSCo picks it;s leader Feb 20 22:42:57 <Sparks> That works. Thanks Feb 20 22:43:01 <EvilBob> NP Feb 20 22:43:37 <EvilBob> I would like to ask jmbuser if he is interested in becoming our next leader Feb 20 22:44:01 <EvilBob> or anyone else in FDSCo Feb 20 22:44:18 <EvilBob> was that to obvious? Feb 20 22:44:20 <EvilBob> lOL Feb 20 22:44:27 * Southern_Gentlem does a happy dance Feb 20 22:44:38 <jmbuser> Perhaps someone should propose and someone second the motion Feb 20 22:45:02 <quaid> to be clearer Feb 20 22:45:03 <EvilBob> Well we do not want to actually railroad anyone, are you willing? Feb 20 22:45:30 <jmbuser> If everybody else is OK with it, I'm willing Feb 20 22:46:05 <EvilBob> I would like to motion that we appoint jmbuser our Vice Chair Feb 20 22:46:28 <quaid> Bob and I have been discussing all this in asides, and also talking with John (jmbuser) Feb 20 22:46:41 <quaid> because he has been showing interest in leading more Feb 20 22:46:48 <quaid> but we haven't had asides with everyone here Feb 20 22:46:54 <EvilBob> right Feb 20 22:46:55 <quaid> so this is the first chance all of you are hearing about it Feb 20 22:47:03 <quaid> and we might want to give a few days to think about it all? Feb 20 22:47:07 <quaid> or not, which we can vote on Feb 20 22:47:25 <EvilBob> I would think that we would vote next week Feb 20 22:47:38 * petreu (n=peter@fedora/Standby) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:47:59 <EvilBob> did we lose the server couf is on? Feb 20 22:48:04 <jmbuser> That works for me Feb 20 22:48:07 <couf> not yet, sorry Feb 20 22:48:10 <EvilBob> OK Feb 20 22:48:11 <couf> was distracted Feb 20 22:48:36 <couf> jmbuser++ Feb 20 22:48:46 <EvilBob> OK we have a second Feb 20 22:49:07 <EvilBob> Do we want to vote this week or next? Feb 20 22:49:18 <EvilBob> I am fine with either Feb 20 22:50:09 <quaid> any objection Feb 20 22:50:12 <couf> yeah fine both ways too Feb 20 22:50:13 <quaid> to voting about it right now? Feb 20 22:50:16 <Southern_Gentlem> quaid, if you operate on roberts rule of order say next week Feb 20 22:50:22 <quaid> stickster, jsmith ? Feb 20 22:50:29 * bpepple|lt has quit ("Ex-Chat") Feb 20 22:50:33 <quaid> Southern_Gentlem: eh, we're pretty informal there :) Feb 20 22:50:49 <jsmith> quaid: I'm OK... Feb 20 22:50:54 <EvilBob> We are almost out of time, lets address it first thing next week Feb 20 22:50:59 <quaid> yeah Feb 20 22:51:02 <jmbuser> Agreed Feb 20 22:51:02 <quaid> we can then discuss it on list Feb 20 22:51:03 <jsmith> (Sorry, phone call) Feb 20 22:51:07 <quaid> make sure we aren't missing anything Feb 20 22:51:15 <EvilBob> that will let our people weigh in on the list also Feb 20 22:51:21 <quaid> I want people who are not in FDSCo to get the implication Feb 20 22:51:27 <quaid> that there is room to be a leader here, etc. Feb 20 22:51:31 <stickster> List is fine although I remember seeing this a while back in quaid's blog Feb 20 22:51:35 <couf> I'll try to get something from glezos this weekend on this Feb 20 22:51:36 <stickster> jmbuser++ by the way Feb 20 22:51:45 <quaid> stickster: oh is that where I wrote about it? :) Feb 20 22:51:47 <couf> seeing him this weekend (fosdem) Feb 20 22:51:53 <quaid> fosdem++ Feb 20 22:51:54 <stickster> I think you did Feb 20 22:52:02 <EvilBob> OK AOB? Feb 20 22:52:02 <stickster> it all kind of jams together after a while. Feb 20 22:52:10 <stickster> I write things down so I don't have to remember it. Feb 20 22:52:16 <stickster> I mean, HAHAHAHAHA Feb 20 22:52:17 <quaid> my only OB was to make sure we did a schedule update and sanity check Feb 20 22:52:31 <EvilBob> quaid: I added that to my list Feb 20 22:52:44 <jmbuser> Publican familiarity, any thoughts? Feb 20 22:53:07 <jmbuser> jsmith: Have you ironed out the issues you had? Feb 20 22:53:09 <EvilBob> quaid: I will touch on that with poelcat, you and stickster before the next meeting Feb 20 22:54:14 <jsmith> jmbuser: Yes, I've ironed them out Feb 20 22:54:31 <jmbuser> jsmith: impressions? Feb 20 22:54:41 <jsmith> I'd be happy to help people get up to speed with Publican Feb 20 22:54:44 <jsmith> jmbuser: I love it Feb 20 22:54:57 <jsmith> jmbuser: I wasn't very familiar with the old system, but publican is very nice Feb 20 22:55:02 <couf> EvilBob: add me to that list Feb 20 22:55:06 <jsmith> jmbuser: I'm sure we'll run into some snags (translations, etc.) Feb 20 22:55:15 <jsmith> jmbuser: But it's got a "two thumbs up" from me Feb 20 22:55:33 <EvilBob> couf: yup Feb 20 22:55:38 <couf> danke Feb 20 22:56:25 <jmbuser> jsmith: That's good to hear - the "old system" also works well and I think we need to stick to it for the F9 release Feb 20 22:56:30 <couf> motion to close? Feb 20 22:56:47 <EvilBob> seconded Feb 20 22:56:59 <jmbuser> Anything else - if not.. let's call it Feb 20 22:57:15 <jsmith> jmbuser: Yeah, I hear you there Feb 20 22:57:23 <jmbuser> 5 Feb 20 22:57:34 <jmbuser> 4 Feb 20 22:57:40 <jmbuser> 3.5 Feb 20 22:57:43 <jmbuser> 3 Feb 20 22:57:48 <stickster> eggs! Feb 20 22:57:51 <jsmith> 3.14? Feb 20 22:57:56 <jmbuser> 2 Feb 20 22:58:02 <jmbuser> 1 Feb 20 22:58:18 * GeroldKa (n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:58:22 <jmbuser> It's end of meeting! Feb 20 22:58:41 * Sparks (n=sparks@fedora/Sparks) has left #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:58:41 <stickster> </meeting>