Hi!
I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but these are hard to find:
1. http://fedoraproject.org/ 2. Click "Docs" 3. I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) 4. phail :-)
Ubuntu:
1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 2. support -> documentation 3. Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and non-Linux people probably want to know.
openSuSE:
1. http://www.opensuse.org/en/ 2. Click Discover it 3. Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find). 4. Nice list of links. Looks pretty http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation rocks!
It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be turned into mini howtos?
Sorry if I sound grumpy :-)
I would be happy to convert http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Permissions to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts section.
Cheers.
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but these are hard to find:
- http://fedoraproject.org/
- Click "Docs"
- I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the
drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) 4. phail :-)
Ubuntu:
- http://www.ubuntu.com/
- support -> documentation
- Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and
non-Linux people probably want to know.
openSuSE:
- http://www.opensuse.org/en/
- Click Discover it
- Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find).
- Nice list of links. Looks pretty
http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation rocks!
It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be turned into mini howtos?
Sorry if I sound grumpy :-)
I would be happy to convert http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Permissions to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts section.
You don't think it might have a little something to do with the fact that both of the companies behind those distros employ full-time docs people for their free distros? :-)
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
The idea of a larger administration guide is something our contributors have wanted to do -- the problem being that people come in with the idea of doing a huge guide, and when they realize it's a LOT of work, they get overwhelmed. Which is why we've always encouraged people to do small documents until they get the hang of the workload and processes that produce good docs.
Hope *I* don't sound too grumpy. ;-)
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but these are hard to find:
- http://fedoraproject.org/
- Click "Docs"
- I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the
drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) 4. phail :-)
Ubuntu:
- http://www.ubuntu.com/
- support -> documentation
- Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and
non-Linux people probably want to know.
openSuSE:
- http://www.opensuse.org/en/
- Click Discover it
- Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find).
- Nice list of links. Looks pretty
http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation rocks!
It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be turned into mini howtos?
Sorry if I sound grumpy :-)
I would be happy to convert http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Permissions to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts section.
You don't think it might have a little something to do with the fact that both of the companies behind those distros employ full-time docs people for their free distros? :-)
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
The idea of a larger administration guide is something our contributors have wanted to do -- the problem being that people come in with the idea of doing a huge guide, and when they realize it's a LOT of work, they get overwhelmed. Which is why we've always encouraged people to do small documents until they get the hang of the workload and processes that produce good docs.
Hope *I* don't sound too grumpy. ;-)
I think the original posters point was that the docs are hard to find. All of the examples link to a vast swathe of documentation from their docs links. The fedora docs page looks like this: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ . There is nothing there by comparison. There are lots of documents in the Draft document section of the wiki which are more than up to scratch to go there instead. Can't we just put all the documents there by default and then cut the docs that aren't good enough to a "needs work" section or something. There should be no reason to write a howto in the first place the docs should just be there.
The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system over having all our documentation available from the http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page.
Chris
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:07:05PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote:
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but these are hard to find:
- http://fedoraproject.org/
- Click "Docs"
- I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the
drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) 4. phail :-)
Ubuntu:
- http://www.ubuntu.com/
- support -> documentation
- Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and
non-Linux people probably want to know.
openSuSE:
- http://www.opensuse.org/en/
- Click Discover it
- Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find).
- Nice list of links. Looks pretty
http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation rocks!
It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be turned into mini howtos?
Sorry if I sound grumpy :-)
I would be happy to convert http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Permissions to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts section.
You don't think it might have a little something to do with the fact that both of the companies behind those distros employ full-time docs people for their free distros? :-)
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
The idea of a larger administration guide is something our contributors have wanted to do -- the problem being that people come in with the idea of doing a huge guide, and when they realize it's a LOT of work, they get overwhelmed. Which is why we've always encouraged people to do small documents until they get the hang of the workload and processes that produce good docs.
Hope *I* don't sound too grumpy. ;-)
I think the original posters point was that the docs are hard to find. All of the examples link to a vast swathe of documentation from their docs links. The fedora docs page looks like this: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ . There is nothing there by comparison. There are lots of documents in the Draft document section of the wiki which are more than up to scratch to go there instead. Can't we just put all the documents there by default and then cut the docs that aren't good enough to a "needs work" section or something. There should be no reason to write a howto in the first place the docs should just be there.
The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system over having all our documentation available from the http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page.
It would be easy for anyone to revise the docs content page. (The appearance is a separate issue -- it's just CSS tweaking that's necessary, and there's been a call going out on the Websites list for help with that[1].)
If you'd like to take a shot at it, please feel free to come by #fedora-docs on IRC Freenode and we'll be happy to get you started.
In the medium term, once F-10 is out the door we're going to look at putting up a true CMS that will work well with our DocBook XML but still allow user interaction in a wiki-like way. It is Karsten's and my jobs to get out of the way in Docs and promote more ownership by whoever is ready to participate to make things better.
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:07:05PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote:
I think the original posters point was that the docs are hard to find.
And Paul's point is that there is not a paid staff person to take requests from this list and "make it happen, Number One."
Myself, I'm *not* going to do stuff like that right now. There has been too much of myself and Paul running around for years doing all the Docs wet work instead of figuring out how to make it easier and cleaner for others to do things. Obviously our methods have had some deep failure, which is one reason we are switching styles.
That's why I've been concentrating on enabling other people over doing stuff. Which has hurt this release and caused delays in e.g content to Translation, because we continue to be short handed and not very good at enabling new people to help with the workload.
All of the examples link to a vast swathe of documentation from their docs links. The fedora docs page looks like this: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ . There is nothing there by comparison. There are lots of documents in the Draft document section of the wiki which are more than up to scratch to go there instead. Can't we just put all the documents there by default and then cut the docs that aren't good enough to a "needs work" section or something. There should be no reason to write a howto in the first place the docs should just be there.
The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system over having all our documentation available from the http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page.
If you or anyone else creates a replacement for the docs.fp.org page that links to all that content, I'll put it up straight away. Here's a good place to start drawing from:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation
As for the wiki, there are several smart things we can do:
1. Move pages to better names -- CamelCase fails on MediaWiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure - discussion on fedora-wiki-list - git clone git+ssh//git.fedoraproject.org/git/wikirename.git - files we want to work on are: docsproject.psv docs.psv
2. Put in *every documentation page* one of these two category links
[[Category:Documentation]] -- if it is good enough to call "done for now"
[[Category:Draft Documentation]] -- if you want it considered a draft
3. Use other templates such as {{needs love}} for pages that should be fixed so they can be worth linking from other pages
Chris -- my major concern right now is not creating more mess and chaos. I want to move fast with a modicum of caution. I really don't think we have any fundamental disagreements, and it's great that you are coming in with a fresh eye that hates the cruft you see around you. Keep engaged, you'll see good changes.
- Karsten
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 09:49:33PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:07:05PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote:
The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system over having all our documentation available from the http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page.
If you or anyone else creates a replacement for the docs.fp.org page that links to all that content, I'll put it up straight away. Here's a good place to start drawing from:
Have you made any progress on your idea?
I'm going to do some simple updates to the front page, such as including the SELinux User Guide and deprecating some content. If you have any other ideas, now is the time to enact them.
Looking to stage changes to the site by Sunday 23 Nov 2359 UTC.
- Karsten
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:51:58AM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 09:49:33PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:07:05PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote:
The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system over having all our documentation available from the http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page.
If you or anyone else creates a replacement for the docs.fp.org page that links to all that content, I'll put it up straight away. Here's a good place to start drawing from:
Have you made any progress on your idea?
I'm going to do some simple updates to the front page, such as including the SELinux User Guide and deprecating some content. If you have any other ideas, now is the time to enact them.
Looking to stage changes to the site by Sunday 23 Nov 2359 UTC.
I'm still interested in doing these changes. If anyone wants to put together a plain text or simple HTML page that has all the documents linked, etc., I can probably work with that. Bonus points for grabbing the source of the actual page via anonymous cvs and turning in a patch. Or just grab the index.php file itself and work with that. :)
export CVS_RSH=ssh export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/fedora/web cvs -z3 login # press Enter for the password cvs -z3 co web # sorry, it's 357 MiB
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/drop/docs-index.php
- Karsten
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools.
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools.
Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there.
As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the current web publishing instructions against Publican-built documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what doesn't):
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools.
Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there.
It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo?
As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the
I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never got it finished.
current web publishing instructions against Publican-built documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what doesn't):
I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
Hi!
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools.
Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there.
It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo?
As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the
I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never got it finished.
current web publishing instructions against Publican-built documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what doesn't):
I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html
WOW!
I have not looked through the entire document, but at first glance, it works (and still looks the same as if I built locally) with publican-created documents. w00t!
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi!
It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools.
Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there.
It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo?
As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the
I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never got it finished.
current web publishing instructions against Publican-built documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what doesn't):
I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html
WOW!
I have not looked through the entire document, but at first glance, it works (and still looks the same as if I built locally) with publican-created documents. w00t!
the converted html to php does not work in F9...so I will try uploading .html when I get access.
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:21 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >> Hi! > > It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they > want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on > permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free!
"git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git"
Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted...
Cheers.
Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools.
Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there.
It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo?
As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the
I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never got it finished.
current web publishing instructions against Publican-built documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what doesn't):
I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html
WOW!
I have not looked through the entire document, but at first glance, it works (and still looks the same as if I built locally) with publican-created documents. w00t!
the converted html to php does not work in F9...so I will try uploading .html when I get access.
Before you upload anything to the actual docs.fp.o web server, make sure you try it on your local sandbox first. The full instructions for making a local sandbox using Apache are found in the publishing chapter above.
Before you upload anything to the actual docs.fp.o web server, make sure you try it on your local sandbox first. The full instructions for making a local sandbox using Apache are found in the publishing chapter above.
Yes, but my local sandbox won't have the same versions of php that you have on your site...it works on some of my local sandboxes, but not others ;)
It seems I can use .html files, so I'll go with that.
Cheers ^_^
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Murray McAllister murray.mcallister@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but these are hard to find:
- http://fedoraproject.org/
- Click "Docs"
- I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the
drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) 4. phail :-)
Ubuntu:
- http://www.ubuntu.com/
- support -> documentation
- Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and
non-Linux people probably want to know.
openSuSE:
- http://www.opensuse.org/en/
- Click Discover it
- Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find).
- Nice list of links. Looks pretty
http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation rocks!
It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be turned into mini howtos?
Sorry if I sound grumpy :-)
I would be happy to convert http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Permissions to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts section.
Cheers.
I agree with you.
If somebody would be kind enough to put some instructions on where to move pages from drafts page and maybe even create a "Guides" category that would be on the mail fedora page I would put my time and efforts info cleaning up drafts - putting some final finish on them.
For example look at this page: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=GPS_over_bluetooth_HowTo
How does this page look from technical and aesthetic aspects?
Cheers.
docs@lists.stg.fedoraproject.org