Hi working groups members,
since we have learned on Flock that new Fedora working groups do not
communicate with each other much (or enough), I'd like to propose the
Every working group will time to time (e.g. weekly) send short summary
about what they did / were talking about directly to mailing lists of
other working groups + to devel(a)fp.o. Really only a short summary with
links where one can find details.
I tried to collect such info from the meeting logs and mailing lists for
the last few weeks for Env and Stacks WG:
I found many notes are really worth spreading beyond groups' borders,
but it takes too much time for one person to collect all the
information. Thus, proposing to "do a summary once per group and share
with other groups".
Another benefit would be that Matt would have better content for his 5tiftw.
I don't think we need to sync about date or frequency, just remembering
to send a direct mail if anything interesting is done/discussed should
List of proposed MLs to send this summary to:
Comments, ideas or better solutions are welcome as usually, but I might
be offline until Sunday, so do not expect any answers from me in that
The EPEL meeting later today (Friday 16:00 UTC) will discuss
EPEL.next again (EPIC). I would attend but it is rather late
for me (1am in Japan), is it possible someone from the WG
could attend on our behalf to help get our ideas/concerns/input also
included in the discussion.
It seems from the previous (first) meeting  last week that they
are currently leaning towards (one or more) faster moving rolling-release repos.
This will certainly be an improvement but I feel it is not flexible
enough to provide long-term support for multiple versions of stacks.
eg I would certainly like to make multiple versions of Haskell ghc available
for EPEL/EPIC over the whole life-time, even though perhaps only
the EPEL and latest EPIC branch would see continuing maintenance and updates.
Rolling release seems to be the exact weakness of EPEL so replicating
that in EPIC seems like a bad idea to me.
A counter-point might be that branches is too much work
but really it is no different from Fedora branches, which also become EOL.
I'd still like to organize an Environment and Stacks Working Group
dinner on Flock. Since there are social events on Wednesday and
Thursday, I'd like to invite you to spend beginning of the Friday
In case there are guys that would like to attend, we'll meet at 7pm on
Friday, place will be specified later.
Please, if you'd like to come, reply to this e-mail.
Thank you and hopefully see you on Flock!
Sorry, this isn't last minute yet, is it? :)
Earlier this year at DevConf, we did a session on Fedora.next, with an
overview presentation followed by a 3 minute report from each WG, and a
panel discussion. We're aiming to do this again at Flock, with a big joint
session on Friday.
Marcela, you represented Env & Stacks at DevConf -- do you want to do the
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