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#9: Fedora 19 Feature planning
by Fedora Internationalization 30 Jan '13

30 Jan '13

#9: Fedora 19 Feature planning ----------------------+------------------- Reporter: tagoh | Owner: i18n@… Type: meeting | Status: new Priority: major | Keywords: Blocked By: | Blocking: ----------------------+------------------- = phenomenon = As [[http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel- announce/2012-November/001002.html|announced]], Fedora 19 schedule is drafted and the feature deadline is set to January 29, 2013 tentatively. we need to think about our feature plans in f19. If you have any idea prior to discuss in the meeting, please add a comment. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/9> Fedora Internationalization <http://fedorahosted.org/i18n/> Fedora i18n Project

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#10: Fedora 18, KDE and Input
by Fedora Internationalization 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

#10: Fedora 18, KDE and Input ----------------------+------------------- Reporter: aalam | Owner: i18n@… Type: meeting | Status: new Priority: major | Keywords: i18n Blocked By: | Blocking: ----------------------+------------------- = phenomenon = 1) with Fedora 18 KDE ISO, ibus is not installed, no input method enabled in KDE. 2) While switched desktop to KDE and tried to use ibus, it was not working as menu was not appear and I was not able to select language from Preferences (ibus-setup) (it was shown disabled list). Can anybody confirm this? There are two bugs Fedora 17: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=867484 Fedora 18: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=869584 Currently for me, ibus can't be used with KDE, please suggest if this bug need to be proposed as blocker -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/10> Fedora Internationalization <http://fedorahosted.org/i18n/> Fedora i18n Project

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Re: #8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18
by Fedora Internationalization 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

#8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18 --------------------+----------------------- Reporter: pravins | Owner: pravins Type: task | Status: assigned Priority: major | Resolution: Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | --------------------+----------------------- Comment (by tagoh): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885596 for reference. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/8#comment:7> Fedora Internationalization <http://fedorahosted.org/i18n/> Fedora i18n Project

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tomorrow's meeting
by Akira TAGOH 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Hi, We still have some active tickets[1][2] though, apparently no updates so far and it looks like nothing else we need to discuss. only things we might want to discuss is f19 feature though, I'm wondering if it's worth just pinging or asking for an idea for features in the meeting. So if there are no other topics we want to, I'll cancel tomorrow's meeting. for feature idea, please add your idea at the ticket[3] instead. Regards, -- Akira TAGOH 1 ... https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/8 2 ... https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/10 3 ... https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/9

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Re: Liberation 2.0 Vs Liberation 1.0 (Need comments)
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

On 7 December 2012 18:00, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > No worries. Simply yum update will revert this change. :) > > Building liberation 1.07.2-11 with epoch for F18 > > Perfect, thanks Pravin. It's good to switch to a new technology, but just > when it is really ready, not sooner. I'm very glad about the decision that > was made. > This is not matter of readiness of technology. Liberation 2.0 is definitely ready. If you see the coverage of Liberation 2.0 it is 4 times to Liberation 1. - *Latest Version - Older Version* - 2302 (sans) - 667 - 2274 (mono) - 666 - 2303 (serif) - 662 1. We have reverted this only because problem of *backward compatibility*with hinting output. It is sad actually for hinting results of 600 characters, we are not able to provides Fedora users 1800 additional characters. 2. Main goal of Liberation fonts is to providing compatibility fonts for Windows fonts Arial, Times New Roam and Courier. Presently coverage of these Windows fonts is huge. So just think if documents cover other characters than existing coverage of Liberation, and someone open same document in Fedora, will user get his intended layout? are we still achieving our main goal of providing compatibility fonts to users? problem is something different and we need to think on that. I will see if i can do something for Fedora 19. Regards, Pravin Satpute

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Re: #8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18
by Fedora Internationalization 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

#8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18 --------------------+----------------------- Reporter: pravins | Owner: pravins Type: task | Status: assigned Priority: major | Resolution: Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | --------------------+----------------------- Comment (by tagoh): AGREED: postpone Liberation_Fonts_2 feature and revert to 1.07.2 (tagoh_, 06:20:24) ACTION: pravins to submit a request to drop Liberation_Fonts_2 feature from release-notes (tagoh_, 06:25:13) Please close the ticket once your action item has been done. thanks. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/8#comment:6> Fedora Internationalization <http://fedorahosted.org/i18n/> Fedora i18n Project

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i18n meeting summary (2012-12-06)
by Akira TAGOH 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:48 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-06/i18n.2012-12-06-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:03:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-12-06 (tagoh_, 06:03:50) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:07:27) * 2012-12-11 Final Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:07:28) * 2013-01-08 Fedora 18 Final Release (tagoh_, 06:07:28) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:08:41) * #8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18 (pravins) (tagoh_, 06:08:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/8 (tagoh_, 06:08:41) * AGREED: postpone Liberation_Fonts_2 feature and revert to 1.07.2 (tagoh_, 06:20:24) * ACTION: pravins to submit a request to drop Liberation_Fonts_2 feature from release-notes (tagoh_, 06:25:13) * New topics (tagoh_, 06:25:48) * #9: Fedora 19 Feature planning (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:25:49) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/9 (tagoh_, 06:25:49) * #10: Fedora 18, KDE and Input (aalam) (tagoh_, 06:37:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/10 (tagoh_, 06:37:41) * ACTION: juhp to propose the theme issue and the systray issue as blockers (tagoh_, 07:30:10) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 07:30:44) Meeting ended at 07:38:37 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pravins to submit a request to drop Liberation_Fonts_2 feature from release-notes * juhp to propose the theme issue and the systray issue as blockers Action Items, by person ----------------------- * juhp * juhp to propose the theme issue and the systray issue as blockers * pravins * pravins to submit a request to drop Liberation_Fonts_2 feature from release-notes * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (99) * juhp (69) * aalam (32) * pravins (29) * mfabian (19) * zodbot (7) * paragan (7) * fujiwarat (6) * dueno (4) * dingyichen (1) * __anish__ (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Liberation 2.0 Vs Liberation 1.0 (Need comments)
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Hi All, As you know Liberation 2.0 is one of the feature of Fedora 18. Recent analysis and comparison with Liberation 1 it is more clear that final output of Liberation 2.0 is not as sharp as it was with Liberation 1.0. Though both are from same vendor (Ascender Corporation) hinting bytecodes are different. Liberation2 already available in Fedora18 Beta, if one wants to install both fonts simultaneously Download [1] has liberation ttf with different family name, so one can have both version same time on Fedora. (cp to /usr/share/fonts/liberation and then fc-cache) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856239 , though bugzilla has more than 100 comments but if someone see to the attached screenshot will be sufficient for review. I did comparison of Fedora output with Windows7 as well. But on Windows results are totally different than Fedora. On Fedora 18 : http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/liberation/arial-sans2-sans1-arimo-testing2… (Here Sans2 = Liberation2 , San1 = Liberation1 and Arimo = Google Croscore) On Windows7 : http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/liberation/arial-sans2-sans1-arimo-testing2… On Fedora 18 : http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/liberation/arial-sans2-sans1-arimo-testing2… freetype-freeworld Xft.antialias: 1 Xft.dpi: 96 Xft.hinting: 1 *Xft.hintstyle: hintslight* Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault *Xft.rgba: rgb*) In last 4 comments Mike Fabian has given even more better screenshot showing hinting bytecode which actually affects final output. http://pravin-s.blogspot.in/2012/12/liberation-20-and-liberatoin-10.htmlhas some more images Problem is subjectivity of hinting output, each users has different opinion. So just thinking whether we should defer this feature and once Liberation2 output matches with Liberation1 then only we can go with this feature. Thanks & Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. http://pravins.fedorapeople.org/liberation-fonts-ttf-1-07-2.tar.gz Note: Cross posting to fonts@ , i18n@ and tests@ list for more feedback

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Re: ibus and KDE in Fedora 18
by Alam 05 Dec '12

05 Dec '12

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM, APreetalam <apreet.alam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > hi > while switched desktop to KDE and tried to use ibus, it was not working as > menu was not appear and I was not able to select language from Preferences > (ibus-setup) (it was shown disabled list). Can anybody confirm this? > > There are two bugs > Fedora 17: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=867484 > Fedora 18: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=869584 > > Currently for me, ibus can't be used with KDE, please suggest if this bug > need to be proposed as blocker > with Fedora 18 KDE ISO, ibus is not installed, no input method enabled in KDE. > > Thanks > A S Alam -- A S Alam ---------

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Reminder: i18n meeting 2012-12-06 0600 UTC
by Akira TAGOH 05 Dec '12

05 Dec '12

Hi, We will have Fedora i18n meeting at a time described at the subject, in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Current items on the agenda is: * Outstanding topic * #8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18 * New topic * #9: Fedora 19 Feature planning * Open Floor If you have any other topics to discuss in the meeting, please file a ticket on https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ or bring it up at the end of the meeting if it's trivial thing or any urgent. Sorry for short notice. -- Akira TAGOH

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Re: #8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18
by Fedora Internationalization 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

#8: Hinting related issues for Liberation_Fonts_2 on Fedora 18 --------------------+----------------------- Reporter: pravins | Owner: pravins Type: task | Status: assigned Priority: major | Resolution: Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | --------------------+----------------------- Comment (by tagoh): Please note: if we are going to take the contingency plan, we need to request some updates on rel-notes through Bugzilla since we have some words for this feature. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/8#comment:5> Fedora Internationalization <http://fedorahosted.org/i18n/> Fedora i18n Project

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ibus and KDE in Fedora 18
by Alam 02 Dec '12

02 Dec '12

hi while switched desktop to KDE and tried to use ibus, it was not working as menu was not appear and I was not able to select language from Preferences (ibus-setup) (it was shown disabled list). Can anybody confirm this? There are two bugs Fedora 17: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=867484 Fedora 18: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=869584 Currently for me, ibus can't be used with KDE, please suggest if this bug need to be proposed as blocker Thanks -- A S Alam resending in plain text

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