kde January 2015

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nntp (aka, usenet) client in kde?
by Gene Smith 07 Feb '20

07 Feb '20

I currently use t-bird with an nntp account pointing to gmane to read this list and sereral others. Does kde have an nntp client program of any sort? I don't see it as a possible new account type in kmail. Also, search with kpackagekit yields nothing with "usenet" or "nntp" that is kde specific. -gene

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KDE SIG Badge
by Ralph Bean 11 Feb '15

11 Feb '15

Hello all, A new Fedora badge has been proposed for "membership in the KDE SIG": https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/132 As far as I can see, there is not a formal definition of membership in the group. Some options for awarding the badge: - We could create a new FAS group and trigger the badge awarding off of that. Lots of other badges work this way, so it is easy to do. The only downside is that you have a FAS group with no other real purpose than for handing out badges. It has to be maintained, pruned eventually, etc.. - Or, instead, we could take one or two volunteers from the SIG to be 'in charge' of the badge. There is a self-service interface in the webapp where they could manually award the badge to sig members as they see fit. I'd like to do it however the sig wants it done. Can you hash it out and let the badges crew know by posting back in the trac ticket above? Cheers- -Ralph

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Plasma 5 - Netwerk Settings panel only containing 1 tab entry
by Jan Swaelens 06 Feb '15

06 Feb '15

Hello, I'm working on fedora 21 (3.17.8-300.fc21.x86_64) and just installed Plasma 5 along with KDE frameworks (5.5.0-1). It seems though the System Settings - Netwerk Settings panel only contains 1 tab 'SSL Prefs' and not the other ones such as Proxy, Connection Preferences, SSL Preferences, Cache, Cookies, Browser Identification. Does anyone know how I can get the other entries back? thanks

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criterion update: add "switch user" to Shutdown, reboot, logout
by Kamil Paral 05 Feb '15

05 Feb '15

Hello, we're discussing a release criterion which is tightly related to GNOME and KDE environments. Could your teams please provide some feedback on the proposed criterion update, see below? Is user switching something you believe should be working (and in which milestone?), or should we rather de-emphasize/remove that function? Please respond to the test@ list, if possible, to avoid fragmenting the discussion. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- > Hello, > > yesterday we have discussed whether user switching should be included in our > criteria. We agreed that Beta is a good target for it, and accepted this bug > as a blocker: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184933 > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719418 > > Now we need to adjust this criterion: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Beta_Release_Criteria#Shutdown.2C_… > Shutting down, logging out and rebooting must work using standard console > commands and the mechanisms offered (if any) by all release-blocking > desktops. > Work? [hide] > Similar to the Alpha criterion for shutting down, shutdown and reboot > mechanisms must take storage volumes down cleanly and correctly request a > shutdown or reboot from the system firmware. Logging out must return the > user to the environment from which they logged in, working as expected. > > I propose this change: > title: Shutdown, reboot, logout, switch > Shutting down, rebooting, logging out and user switching must work using > standard console commands and the mechanisms offered (if any) by all > release-blocking desktops. > Work? [hide] > Similar to the Alpha criterion for shutting down, shutdown and reboot > mechanisms must take storage volumes down cleanly and correctly request a > shutdown or reboot from the system firmware. Logging out must return the > user to the environment from which they logged in, working as expected. User > switching must allow multiple users to perform live switching between their > sessions, working as expected. > > > What do you think?

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Upgrading KDE in rawhide to Plasma 5
by Dan Vratil 05 Feb '15

05 Feb '15

Hi all, this is an announcement that KDE SIG has pushed Plasma 5, the next major version of KDE workspaces, into rawhide as part of the Plasma 5 change for Fedora 22 [0]. The upgrade path from KDE 4 should be smooth and doable simply through yum update without any need for manual intervention, however if you run into any troubles related to Plasma/KDE we ask you to report them to KDE SIG. If you want to know more about Plasma 5.2, you can check out the official release announcement [1]. If you are looking for something more exhausting to read while you are waiting for yum, you can read Kev Vermette's 10 pages of Plasma 5.2: Quintessential Breakdown [2] ;-). For Fedora 20 and Fedora 21 users, Plasma 5 is still available through dvratil/plasma-5 Copr. Cheers, Daniel [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma_5 [1] https://dot.kde.org/2015/01/27/plasma-52-beautiful-and-featureful [2] https://kver.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/plasma-5-2-the-quintissential-breakdo… -- Daniel Vrátil | dvratil(a)redhat.com | dvratil on #kde-devel, #kontact, #akonadi Software Engineer - KDE Desktop Team, Red Hat Inc. GPG Key: 0xC59D614F6F4AE348 Fingerprint: 4EC1 86E3 C54E 0B39 5FDD B5FB C59D 614F 6F4A E348

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Plasma 5: first impressions
by Patrick O'Callaghan 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

I just installed Plasma 5 from the COPR repo. A fairly easy process (had to remove a few packages but no big deal). A couple of issues at first glance: 1) My carefully-tuned KDE settings are all gone, e.g. Dolphin, Konsole, virtual desktops, lockscreen behaviour etc. Can these be recovered easily (I have backups)? Why does this happen anyway, especially to apps which are independent of Plasma? 2) Speaking of virtual desktops, I can no longer see how to configure how they look in the panel. In the old system I had each one labelled with a name, but that no longer appears except when I hover the cursor, which slows down switching. Plasma is shiny and fast, so I'm generally positive so far, but these details are going to annoy a lot of people. poc

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Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim
by Rex Dieter 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

I guess now that I said that out loud, one solution would be to (re)create a kopete-cryptography subpkg so that these extra deps are pulled in only for those people that want it. -- Rex ________________________________________ From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)unl.edu> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:05 AM To: KDE on Fedora discussion Subject: Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim kopete includes cryptography support/plugins, which use kleopatra (infrastructure, libraries, from kdepim). -- Rex

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Re: criterion update: add "switch user" to Shutdown, reboot, logout
by Matthias Clasen 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 09:37 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com> > wrote: > > I proposed this criterion because history shows that the approach > > you mention (let's fix it with updates) didn't really work, at least > > for GNOME. So I'm trying something else, to make sure it gets the > > attention I believe it deserves. (We reached the same conclusion > > during our blocker bug review). It seems that people opinions on > > importance of this feature vary wildly, which is unfortunate. If we > > don't reach consensus, it can't be a criterion. > > Extremely basic functionality of the desktop environment, like user > switching, is much more important than a bug with any individual > application. If we don't want to block on user switching, then it's > time to take a look at the existing blocker criteria and start some > significant trimming, since we currently block for less > important-issues. Do we want to have more quality criteria or fewer? > I'm of the opinion that we should have more if we want to expand the > audience of Fedora Workstation beyond those who are currently using > it. When deciding whether something is a blocker, I propose this > question: "If feature X doesn't work, would a reasonable user new to > Fedora switch back to his previous OS?" If there's a bug with GNOME > Calculator, probably not, but if user switching doesn't work and I > have multiple user accounts, then it's time to find a better distro. It is not really relevant if something is 'basic' or not. To decide whether to block on a bug, you should look at: 1) How many users are affected ? 2) How significantly is their use of the system affected ? 3) Is there an easy workaround ? In all of these, user switching is just not in the same league as logout or shutdown. Having more criteria is good if you have too many qa people who can't figure out how to spend their time.

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Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim
by Rex Dieter 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

kopete includes cryptography support/plugins, which use kleopatra (infrastructure, libraries, from kdepim). -- Rex ________________________________________ From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:04 AM To: kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim Am 30.01.2015 um 16:02 schrieb Rex Dieter: > Looks like the kdepim "split up the monolithic package" job is incomplete, though I still can't explain some of the new deps, kopete should have pulled in kdepim-libs (and kdepim) already before this latest update. uhm why should kopete pull kdepim? kopete works here fine with our Jabber-server, ICQ and Facebookchat for weeks on completly kdepim-free setups! > ________________________________________ > From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 8:23 AM > To: kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim > > hope that helps: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1187634 > > the horrible copy&paste of "yum remove" is likely > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1159785 which makes me tired > for many years now always c&p from konsole to a textfile, re-open it > after save with kate (configured to strip witespaces at the end of > lines) and then from there paste into email or whatever > > Am 30.01.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Rex Dieter: >> It shouldn't be, mind filing a bug? (and attaching the yum output there). >> >> If you've already installed it, can you try removing all that below to see >> what else gets dragged out with it? It should help identify where the new >> dependency came from. >> >> -- Rex >> >> Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> why is KDEPIM now a dependency? >>> >>> i tried to post the whole yum output >>> but that post is under moderation >>> >>> Message body is too big: 46501 bytes with a limit of 40 KB >>> 40 KB? seriously? >>> >>> Installing for dependencies: >>> baloo-akonadi >>> boost-thread >>> gnupg2-smime >>> grantlee >>> kaddressbook-libs >>> kdepim-common >>> kdepim-libs >>> kdepim-runtime >>> kdepim-runtime-libs >>> khotkeys >>> khotkeys-libs >>> kinfocenter >>> kleopatra >>> kmail >>> kmail-libs >>> kmenuedit >>> knotes >>> knotes-libs >>> libkfbapi >>> libkgapi >>> libkolab >>> libkolabxml >>> libksba >>> pinentry-qt >>> python-lockfile >>> spambayes >>> xerces-c

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Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim
by Rex Dieter 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

Thanks. Looks like the kdepim "split up the monolithic package" job is incomplete, though I still can't explain some of the new deps, kopete should have pulled in kdepim-libs (and kdepim) already before this latest update. -- Rex ________________________________________ From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 8:23 AM To: kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: updates-testing pulls kdepim hope that helps: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1187634 the horrible copy&paste of "yum remove" is likely https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1159785 which makes me tired for many years now always c&p from konsole to a textfile, re-open it after save with kate (configured to strip witespaces at the end of lines) and then from there paste into email or whatever Am 30.01.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Rex Dieter: > It shouldn't be, mind filing a bug? (and attaching the yum output there). > > If you've already installed it, can you try removing all that below to see > what else gets dragged out with it? It should help identify where the new > dependency came from. > > -- Rex > > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> why is KDEPIM now a dependency? >> >> i tried to post the whole yum output >> but that post is under moderation >> >> Message body is too big: 46501 bytes with a limit of 40 KB >> 40 KB? seriously? >> >> Installing for dependencies: >> baloo-akonadi >> boost-thread >> gnupg2-smime >> grantlee >> kaddressbook-libs >> kdepim-common >> kdepim-libs >> kdepim-runtime >> kdepim-runtime-libs >> khotkeys >> khotkeys-libs >> kinfocenter >> kleopatra >> kmail >> kmail-libs >> kmenuedit >> knotes >> knotes-libs >> libkfbapi >> libkgapi >> libkolab >> libkolabxml >> libksba >> pinentry-qt >> python-lockfile >> spambayes >> xerces-c > > > _______________________________________________ > kde mailing list > kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org > -- Reindl Harald the lounge interactive design GmbH A-1060 Vienna, Hofmühlgasse 17 CTO / CISO / Software-Development m: +43 (676) 40 221 40, p: +43 (1) 595 3999 33 icq: 154546673, http://www.thelounge.net/ http://www.thelounge.net/signature.asc.what.htm

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