After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
I don't know, but i installed updates yesterday and kde broke, it starts to a black screen, partially loaded (dificult to explai witout a video). I installed lxqt to avoid reinstalling the os.
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Glenn Holmer cenbe@kolabnow.com wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
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Reartes Guillermo composed on 2016-05-07 18:16 (UTC-0300):
Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
I don't know, but i installed updates yesterday and kde broke, it starts to a black screen, partially loaded (dificult to explai witout a video). I installed lxqt to avoid reinstalling the os.
Either of these look like the same thing? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1331593 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303860
On 05/07/2016 04:40 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Either of these look like the same thing? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1331593 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303860
No, no, nothing that cataclysmic. Everything comes up normally except that I use "save session" and Thunderbird and Firefox don't come back up (they used to). Konsole, dolphin, and gkrellm still do.
On 05/07/2016 04:58 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 05/07/2016 04:40 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Either of these look like the same thing? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1331593 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303860
No, no, nothing that cataclysmic. Everything comes up normally except that I use "save session" and Thunderbird and Firefox don't come back up (they used to). Konsole, dolphin, and gkrellm still do.
I can confirm this behavior on three machines now (two desktops and a laptop). Is anyone else seeing this specific behavior? Is it bug-worthy?
On 05/07/2016 04:58 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 05/07/2016 04:40 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Either of these look like the same thing? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1331593 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303860
No, no, nothing that cataclysmic. Everything comes up normally except that I use "save session" and Thunderbird and Firefox don't come back up (they used to). Konsole, dolphin, and gkrellm still do.
I notice that this is working correctly now. Excellent!
On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:48 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Don't use TBird but session restore for Firefox hasn't worked for me in over a year. It always comes up with the "this is embarrassing" page and then restores after I click it. BTW Google Chrome doesn't work at all with session restore.
I've filed a bug about both of these in the past (see https://bugs.kde. org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875) and things have improved for some apps but not for these.
poc
On 05/07/2016 07:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:48 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Don't use TBird but session restore for Firefox hasn't worked for me in over a year. It always comes up with the "this is embarrassing" page and then restores after I click it. BTW Google Chrome doesn't work at all with session restore.
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting? If not you have to turn the "this is embarrassing message" of in Firefox.
http://techdows.com/2014/05/set-firefox-not-to-show-well-this-is-embarrassin...
I've filed a bug about both of these in the past (see https://bugs.kde. org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875) and things have improved for some apps but not for these.
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On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 22:21 -0300, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
On 05/07/2016 07:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:48 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Don't use TBird but session restore for Firefox hasn't worked for
me in
over a year. It always comes up with the "this is embarrassing"
page
and then restores after I click it. BTW Google Chrome doesn't work
at
all with session restore.
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting?
Of course, doesn't everyone?
If not you have to turn the "this is embarrassing message" of in Firefox.
http://techdows.com/2014/05/set-firefox-not-to-show-well-this-is-emba rrassing-error-message.html
Interesting. I tried that and it does turn off the message, however ...
I've filed a bug about both of these in the past (see https://bugs.
kde.
org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875) and things have improved for some apps
but
not for these.
... I now find that the situation overall is definitely worse than before:
Before: * Firefox gives the "embarrassing" message, but on clicking the button it restores both its windows. I then have to move one window to a different desktop where it should live. * Chrome doesn't start and gives no error message. * Evolution, Dolphin and qBittorrent all start correctly on various desktops.
Now: * Firefox doesn't start at all. When I start it manually it only starts one window, not two, i.e. it has lost information. * Evolution doesn't start. When I start it manually it does so on its own desktop. * Everything else as before.
Clearly the change to FF can only have affected FF itself. The other changes are presumably because I just "upgraded" to the latest Plasma.
So in summary, a very definite regression regarding session restore.
poc
On 05/08/2016 06:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 22:21 -0300, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
On 05/07/2016 07:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 15:48 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
After the latest updates, saved session restore no longer restarts Thunderbird and Firefox. Is anyone else seeing this?
Don't use TBird but session restore for Firefox hasn't worked for
me in
over a year. It always comes up with the "this is embarrassing"
page
and then restores after I click it. BTW Google Chrome doesn't work
at
all with session restore.
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting?
Of course, doesn't everyone?
If not you have to turn the "this is embarrassing message" of in Firefox.
http://techdows.com/2014/05/set-firefox-not-to-show-well-this-is-emba rrassing-error-message.html
Interesting. I tried that and it does turn off the message, however ...
I've filed a bug about both of these in the past (see https://bugs.
kde.
org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875) and things have improved for some apps
but
not for these.
... I now find that the situation overall is definitely worse than before:
Before:
- Firefox gives the "embarrassing" message, but on clicking the button
it restores both its windows. I then have to move one window to a different desktop where it should live.
- Chrome doesn't start and gives no error message.
- Evolution, Dolphin and qBittorrent all start correctly on various
desktops.
Now:
- Firefox doesn't start at all. When I start it manually it only starts
one window, not two, i.e. it has lost information.
What setting do you have in General Preferences for "When Firefox starts" ?
- Evolution doesn't start. When I start it manually it does so on its
own desktop.
- Everything else as before.
Clearly the change to FF can only have affected FF itself. The other changes are presumably because I just "upgraded" to the latest Plasma.
So in summary, a very definite regression regarding session restore.
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On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 07:29 -0300, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
- Firefox doesn't start at all. When I start it manually it only
starts
one window, not two, i.e. it has lost information.
What setting do you have in General Preferences for "When Firefox starts" ?
"Show my windows and tabs from last time"
poc
On 05/08/2016 06:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 07:29 -0300, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
- Firefox doesn't start at all. When I start it manually it only
starts
one window, not two, i.e. it has lost information.
What setting do you have in General Preferences for "When Firefox starts" ?
"Show my windows and tabs from last time"
about:config, search for "crash" set "browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash" to "false"
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 08:16 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 05/08/2016 06:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 07:29 -0300, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
- Firefox doesn't start at all. When I start it manually it
only
starts
one window, not two, i.e. it has lost information.
What setting do you have in General Preferences for "When Firefox starts" ?
"Show my windows and tabs from last time"
about:config, search for "crash" set "browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash" to "false"
Already done. See earlier in this thread.
poc
Am 08.05.2016 um 11:13 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting?
Of course, doesn't everyone?
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
If not you have to turn the "this is embarrassing message" of in Firefox.
http://techdows.com/2014/05/set-firefox-not-to-show-well-this-is-emba rrassing-error-message.html
Interesting. I tried that and it does turn off the message, however ...
the "this is embarrassing message" is a completly *logical* behavior because if firefox would be cleanly terminated it would not be able to restore any tabs at the next start and just start with your homepage
well, one reason more not to come to the broken idea of session restore, i don't want to know how many damaged userprofiles in the past are result of it
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:02 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 08.05.2016 um 11:13 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting?
Of course, doesn't everyone?
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
I don't know anyone who does that. The assumption is that logging off should signal every running process to quit cleanly. That's what SIGTERM is for.
poc
Am 08.05.2016 um 13:08 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:02 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 08.05.2016 um 11:13 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting?
Of course, doesn't everyone?
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
I don't know anyone who does that. The assumption is that logging off should signal every running process to quit cleanly. That's what SIGTERM is for
and obviously KDE at logout don't send clean SIGTERM in all cases or fire similar to systemd SIGKILL to not fast enough exited applications which can happen too soon if your machine is under load and so takes longer - if a logout would wait 15 minutes we would have another thread
any common sense tells me for 15 years it's better to quit applications cleanly by hand on any OS
what's te purpose of all that "session restore" stuff?
wether a machine is running and in use, locked because used in background or suspended
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:37 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
any common sense tells me for 15 years it's better to quit applications cleanly by hand on any OS
Over 40 years experience tells me that people have different requirements, so if a system offers session restore then it should work or produce a coherent message when it doesn't. Anything else is a bug.
poc
On 05/08/2016 08:02 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 08.05.2016 um 11:13 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
Are you not quitting Firefox before login out/rebooting?
Of course, doesn't everyone?
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
If not you have to turn the "this is embarrassing message" of in Firefox.
http://techdows.com/2014/05/set-firefox-not-to-show-well-this-is-emba rrassing-error-message.html
Interesting. I tried that and it does turn off the message, however ...
the "this is embarrassing message" is a completly *logical* behavior because if firefox would be cleanly terminated it would not be able to restore any tabs at the next start and just start with your homepage
Sure it can. That is what the "Show my windows and tabs from last time" setting is for.
well, one reason more not to come to the broken idea of session restore, i don't want to know how many damaged userprofiles in the past are result of it
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Reindl Harald wrote:
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
I never logout on my laptop - I just close the lid and so suspend. Is that unusual/unwise?
Three ignorant questions:
1. There seems to be no hibernate option on my Fedora-23/KDE machine in the KDE/Leave menu. I seem to recall there used to be one?
2. I notice that CLI "shutdown -r now" seems to work much more quickly than GUI Leave=>Shutdown. Is the CLI command omitting something important?
3. I often leave a vi session open by mistake when I close the laptop lid. Is there any option that will automatically close all vi sessions on suspend?
4. The word "sleep" seems to be used ambiguously for suspend/hibernate?
Ps for three read four.
Am 08.05.2016 um 13:48 schrieb Timothy Murphy:
Reindl Harald wrote:
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
I never logout on my laptop - I just close the lid and so suspend. Is that unusual/unwise?
when it works on your hardware relieable it's perfect and way better than a sick try to close all applications and not only start them but also at the same state as before
the sync script in my case is because that way i don't need to carry a pesky and slow notebook with me and instead have everywhere a machine with hrsepower, RAID10 disks and a 27" screen
i worked from 2003-2011 *only* on notebooks and have enough of the slow, loud crap with limited power for the rest of my life, for every "mobile need" a large smartphone is enough and anything else can wait until i am at home or in the office - they also had to wait when i am somewhere between and having a notebook by me in 999 out of 1000 cases
On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:48 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Reindl Harald wrote:
as far as i am everyone i cleanly quit every application before logoff and even reboot in a VT and not from the GUI - well, i sync all my data and userhome with a script between the locations where i work followed by a && poweroff
I never logout on my laptop - I just close the lid and so suspend. Is that unusual/unwise?
For laptops, probably not. On my desktop I log out really only when updating. However I presume you do reboot from time to time.
Three ignorant questions:
- There seems to be no hibernate option on my Fedora-23/KDE machine
in the KDE/Leave menu. I seem to recall there used to be one?
My KDE/Leave menu has both hibernate and suspend. However hibernate on F23 doesn't work out of the box. You have to do some manual tweaking to get it to work, but it it's not hard. See recent messages on the Fedora Users list.
- I notice that CLI "shutdown -r now" seems to work much more
quickly than GUI Leave=>Shutdown. Is the CLI command omitting something important?
RTFM. The "now" option means "don't wait the default time before shutting down".
poc
Timothy Murphy wrote:
- There seems to be no hibernate option on my Fedora-23/KDE machine
in the KDE/Leave menu. I seem to recall there used to be one?
That's up to systemd/logind to decide,
qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate
- I notice that CLI "shutdown -r now" seems to work much more quickly
than GUI Leave=>Shutdown. Is the CLI command omitting something important?
Yes, it skips ending your session gracefully (allowing apps to close without forcefully being killed).
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