I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only to f16?
gene/
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 at 22:34:51, Genes MailLists wrote:
I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only to f16?
Has anyone tried rebuilding the rawhide packages for F15 yet?
Julian Weißgerber
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On 07/31/2011 12:37 PM, Julian Weißgerber wrote:
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 at 22:34:51, Genes MailLists wrote:
I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only to f16?
historically, we've done at least 1 4.x+1 style update per fedora release, but the final ultimate decision hasn't been made by the kde-sig ... yet.
This release included a fair number of packaging-related changes, which makes me at least a little torn whether to release this as an official update or not.
Has anyone tried rebuilding the rawhide packages for F15 yet?
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde-unstable repo, including myself.
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
-- rex
On Sunday 31 Jul 2011 18:56:22 Rex Dieter wrote:
On 07/31/2011 12:37 PM, Julian Weißgerber wrote:
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 at 22:34:51, Genes MailLists wrote:
I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only
to f16?
historically, we've done at least 1 4.x+1 style update per fedora release, but the final ultimate decision hasn't been made by the kde-sig ... yet.
This release included a fair number of packaging-related changes, which makes me at least a little torn whether to release this as an official update or not.
Has anyone tried rebuilding the rawhide packages for F15 yet?
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde-unstable repo, including myself.
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Rex, which version of Kmail does 4.7 have, I'm guessing Kmail2
Colin
On 07/31/2011 01:09 PM, Colin J Thomson wrote:
On Sunday 31 Jul 2011 18:56:22 Rex Dieter wrote:
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Rex, which version of Kmail does 4.7 have, I'm guessing Kmail2
Yes. kde-4.6.95 includes KMail: 2.1.96 in particular.
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2011/7/31 Rex Dieter rdieter@fedoraproject.org
On 07/31/2011 01:09 PM, Colin J Thomson wrote:
On Sunday 31 Jul 2011 18:56:22 Rex Dieter wrote:
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Rex, which version of Kmail does 4.7 have, I'm guessing Kmail2
Yes. kde-4.6.95 includes KMail: 2.1.96 in particular.
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No official answer yet about if we are going to see KDE 4.7 in F15?
On Monday 01 Aug 2011 04:13:49 Rex Dieter wrote:
On 07/31/2011 01:09 PM, Colin J Thomson wrote:
On Sunday 31 Jul 2011 18:56:22 Rex Dieter wrote:
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Rex, which version of Kmail does 4.7 have, I'm guessing Kmail2
Yes. kde-4.6.95 includes KMail: 2.1.96 in particular.
Ok thanks for the info Rex,
Colin
Am 01.08.2011 08:27, schrieb Gilboa Davara:
On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 12:56 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Hi,
Any idea when 4.7 will land in F15's kde-redhat-unstable/testing? (Or is it dependent on the decision whether to push 4.7 to Fedora stable?)
what did you not understand in "a fair number of packaging-related changes" which means it is a lot of work - so the only answer the packgers can give you is "if it is finished"
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Hi,
Any idea when 4.7 will land in F15's kde-redhat-unstable/testing? (Or is it dependent on the decision whether to push 4.7 to Fedora stable?)
what did you not understand in "a fair number of packaging-related changes" which means it is a lot of work - so the only answer the packgers can give you is "if it is finished"
1. My question was civilized, and so should have been *your* answer! 2. As you *should* have known by now, kde-unstable/kde-testing and Fedora are too different beats. As 4.6.9x in kde-unstable, I couldn't be expected to possibly guess what is effort is required to bring 4.7 in its place. 3. Did I mention that your answer was rude and out of place?
- Gilboa
Am 01.08.2011 09:23, schrieb Gilboa Davara:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Hi,
Any idea when 4.7 will land in F15's kde-redhat-unstable/testing? (Or is it dependent on the decision whether to push 4.7 to Fedora stable?)
what did you not understand in "a fair number of packaging-related changes" which means it is a lot of work - so the only answer the packgers can give you is "if it is finished"
- My question was civilized, and so should have been *your* answer!
what is so uncivilized in my answer? sometimes i think the peopole in english speaking countrys are a little hypersensibel about every word.....
- As you *should* have known by now, kde-unstable/kde-testing and
Fedora are too different beats. As 4.6.9x in kde-unstable, I couldn't be expected to possibly guess what is effort is required to bring 4.7 in its place
well i know, but i understand that they try to solve this packaging changes to a) can decide if it will go to fedora-updates and b) not waste time with a build which never could be released
- Did I mention that your answer was rude and out of place?
no, you are a little bit hypersensible, not more and not less
Hi guys, please, no ;-)
Currently we miss three packages from 4.7 release - kdeaccessibility, kdenetwork and kdesdk - as it currently fails with qt 4.8 (and moc changes). I was out a few days, so I didn't have time to fix it. It probably involves reverting 4.8 moc changes as currently there's discussion between upstream who should fix code :)
But as Rex pointed out - I don't believe we're able to deliver it officially (fedora-updates) to F15 :( Maybe we could use are first monolithic pre 4.7 packages but that would be maintenance hell...
Jaroslav
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Am 01.08.2011 09:23, schrieb Gilboa Davara:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Hi,
Any idea when 4.7 will land in F15's kde-redhat-unstable/testing? (Or is it dependent on the decision whether to push 4.7 to Fedora stable?)
what did you not understand in "a fair number of packaging-related changes" which means it is a lot of work - so the only answer the packgers can give you is "if it is finished"
- My question was civilized, and so should have been *your* answer!
what is so uncivilized in my answer? sometimes i think the peopole in english speaking countrys are a little hypersensibel about every word.....
- As you *should* have known by now, kde-unstable/kde-testing and
Fedora are too different beats. As 4.6.9x in kde-unstable, I couldn't be expected to possibly guess what is effort is required to bring 4.7 in its place
well i know, but i understand that they try to solve this packaging changes to a) can decide if it will go to fedora-updates and b) not waste time with a build which never could be released
- Did I mention that your answer was rude and out of place?
no, you are a little bit hypersensible, not more and not less
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On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 09:30 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.08.2011 09:23, schrieb Gilboa Davara:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Hi,
- My question was civilized, and so should have been *your* answer!
what is so uncivilized in my answer? sometimes i think the peopole in english speaking countrys are a little hypersensibel about every word.....
You assume that I'm coming from English speaking country. Guess I can take it a complement. (Somehow I doubt that my high/middle school English teachers would agree...)
Lets call it a language related misunderstanding and end it at that.
- Gilboa
Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 12:56 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Hi,
Any idea when 4.7 will land in F15's kde-redhat-unstable/testing?
As Rex Dieter said: "i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week."
That was on Sunday, July 31. So "next week" is now this week, and "later" means towards the end of the week. I hope that clears things up.
(Or is it dependent on the decision whether to push 4.7 to Fedora stable?)
No.
Kevin Kofler
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 12:57 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Gilboa Davara wrote:
As Rex Dieter said: "i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week."
That was on Sunday, July 31. So "next week" is now this week, and "later" means towards the end of the week. I hope that clears things up.
Guess I was having a bad reading comprehension day when I read Rex' original post... Thanks for clearing it up :)
- Gilboa
On 07/31/2011 01:56 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
...
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde- repo, including myself.
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Thanks rex - understand - its not practical to get this into F15 ... can you explain what the kde-unstable repo is ?
Thanks !
gene/
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On 07/31/2011 01:56 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
...
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde- repo, including myself.
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
Thanks rex - understand - its not practical to get this into F15 ... can you explain what the kde-unstable repo is ?
http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/
Thanks !
gene/
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On 07/31/2011 12:37 PM, Julian Weißgerber wrote:
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 at 22:34:51, Genes MailLists wrote:
I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only to f16?
historically, we've done at least 1 4.x+1 style update per fedora release, but the final ultimate decision hasn't been made by the kde-sig ... yet.
This release included a fair number of packaging-related changes, which makes me at least a little torn whether to release this as an official update or not.
Since getting back from vacation, I've thought about it some more... and my own convictions against doing an official f15 kde-4.7 update has grown, largely due to the big'ish changes landing with kdepim-4.7.x (and akonadi'ized kmail2).
i'll see about discussing this more with other kde-sig members, and hopefully make some sort of official announcement about our f15/kde47 intentions soon.
Has anyone tried rebuilding the rawhide packages for F15 yet?
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde-unstable repo, including myself.
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
and, fyi, f15 kde-unstable kde-4.7.0 builds are underway now. eta 6-12 hours from now, hopefully. :)
-- rex
On Friday 05 Aug 2011 15:40:54 Rex Dieter wrote:
Since getting back from vacation, I've thought about it some more... and my own convictions against doing an official f15 kde-4.7 update has grown, largely due to the big'ish changes landing with kdepim-4.7.x (and akonadi'ized kmail2).
I think this is a wise choice Rex, being one of the many where migration to Kmail2 fails miserably, which is a shame as I cant try/test 4.7 from kde- redhat :-(
Maybe when I get some time (if it is possible) I'll build Kmail2 for 4.6.5 and manually import my Kmail1 mail/settings before the move to 4.7.x
Colin
I've lost my quoting templates - so apologies
There seems to be a pretty strong indication from the devs that it is wise to rename or delete all previously existing akonadi database info - by which I understand it to mean ~/.local/share/akonadi/ - before migration.
I wonder if it is a good idea to make noise about this - it might save many users a lot of grief.
Anne
On Saturday 06 Aug 2011 17:46:43 Anne Wilson wrote:
I've lost my quoting templates - so apologies
There seems to be a pretty strong indication from the devs that it is wise to rename or delete all previously existing akonadi database info - by which I understand it to mean ~/.local/share/akonadi/ - before migration.
Sadly Anne I have tried all this during the many releases of Kmail2 with no success.
Colin
Am Freitag, 5. August 2011 schrieb Rex Dieter:
On 07/31/2011 12:37 PM, Julian Weißgerber wrote:
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 at 22:34:51, Genes MailLists wrote:
I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only
to f16?
historically, we've done at least 1 4.x+1 style update per fedora release, but the final ultimate decision hasn't been made by the kde-sig ... yet.
This release included a fair number of packaging-related changes, which makes me at least a little torn whether to release this as an official update or not.
Since getting back from vacation, I've thought about it some more... and my own convictions against doing an official f15 kde-4.7 update has grown, largely due to the big'ish changes landing with kdepim-4.7.x (and akonadi'ized kmail2).
i'll see about discussing this more with other kde-sig members, and hopefully make some sort of official announcement about our f15/kde47 intentions soon.
Isn't it possible to ship 4.7 with old kdepim 1 as with 4.6 one? Or is this way to much work to handle.
I tried kmail2 once about half a year ago and my results were mixed. So I will stay with kmail1 as long as possible.
Martin
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Rex Dieter wrote:
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011, Martin (KDE) wrote:
Isn't it possible to ship 4.7 with old kdepim 1 as with 4.6 one? Or is this way to much work to handle.
From my understanding, no, this is not possible.
I think nothing is impossible. ;-)
It might not be straightforward (e.g. because of shared-desktop-ontologies version conflicts), but it should be possible to make it work one way or the other.
Kevin Kofler
Rex Dieter wrote:
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde-unstable repo, including myself.
I am one of them. My systems are up-to-date to the latest from kde- unstable. Kmail-2.1.96 works great. I had no problems with the migration the first time around, nor the second time around. I won't regress to the legacy version.
On 08/05/2011 10:40 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
I know a fair number of folks are using the backport builds in kde-unstable repo, including myself.
i'll get to work on finishing up 4.7.0 backports later next week.
and, fyi, f15 kde-unstable kde-4.7.0 builds are underway now. eta 6-12 hours from now,
Is this the right place to learn about this? The front of the website looks a bit dated ...
On Friday 05 August 2011 at 09:40:54, Rex Dieter wrote:
and, fyi, f15 kde-unstable kde-4.7.0 builds are underway now. eta 6-12 hours from now, hopefully. :)
Thanks, working ok for the most part but Plasma's grid layout makes it crash.
Julian Weißgerber
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Genes MailLists wrote:
I see 4.7 out ... what are the plans for f15 ... update to 4.7 or only to f16?
gene/
What are risks and benefits to trying out kde4.7 on f15?
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As 4.7 is on unstable KDE repos, are we going to see it on testing as well shortly?
On 08/08/2011 10:08 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
As 4.7 is on unstable KDE repos, are we going to see it on testing as well shortly?
Probably not, though that is predicated on the kde-sig decision on whether to release official kde-4.7 updates for f15 or not.
Yes = kde-testing No = stay in kde-unstable (or elsewhere)
-- rex
On 08/08/2011 11:36 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
On 08/08/2011 10:08 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
As 4.7 is on unstable KDE repos, are we going to see it on testing as well shortly?
Probably not, though that is predicated on the kde-sig decision on whether to release official kde-4.7 updates for f15 or not.
Yes = kde-testing No = stay in kde-unstable (or elsewhere)
-- rex
For those of us on F15 who don't currently use kdepim - what are the issues which we might need some caution for if we update to kde-unstable?
Thanks!
On 08/08/2011 12:39 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
For those of us on F15 who don't currently use kdepim - what are the issues which we might need some caution for if we update to kde-unstable?
Nothing significant, imo. Just be aware of the new split packaging in various modules, including: kate kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdesdk kdeutils
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