(Apologies - resending because I wasn't subscribed earlier)
Hi list,
I'm contacting you on behalf of the x86 SIG. Today FESCo approved our request to continue to support Fedora on x86 hardware, provided that we do our part to keep things running.
I encourage you to reach out to us when things do come up. You can find us at x86@lists.fedoraproject.org or on #fedora-x86. We will likewise try to be proactive in tracking down and triaging x86-related issues as well as helping test and debug things.
One caveat that FESCo attached to our request is that if you, the kernel team are cleared to treat i686 as any other secondary arch when you run into build issues. That is, you are allowed to ExcludeArch i686 until these issues are resolved. We ask that you block FE-ExcludeArch-x86 so that we can track these issues.
Additionally, FESCo would like us to establish a minimum level of hardware supported. We are working on this list and will follow up with you once we have it completed. In the interim, we did want to address a couple of concerns that were passed along by Stephen Smoogen:
* We have decided to drop support for PAE, so please feel free to disable it on the next build * We have decided to continue to support pre-SSE2 hardware for the time being
Please don't hesitate to contact us with any questions/comments/concerns.
Thanks!
jeff
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
(Apologies - resending because I wasn't subscribed earlier)
Hi list,
I'm contacting you on behalf of the x86 SIG. Today FESCo approved our request to continue to support Fedora on x86 hardware, provided that we do our part to keep things running.
I encourage you to reach out to us when things do come up. You can find us at x86@lists.fedoraproject.org or on #fedora-x86. We will likewise try to be proactive in tracking down and triaging x86-related issues as well as helping test and debug things.
One caveat that FESCo attached to our request is that if you, the kernel team are cleared to treat i686 as any other secondary arch when you run into build issues. That is, you are allowed to ExcludeArch i686 until these issues are resolved. We ask that you block FE-ExcludeArch-x86 so that we can track these issues.
Happy to do so. There wasn't much need on the current issue because there
are other problems keeping us from getting a successful build just yet. Yay, merge window. I really appreciate the SIG stepping forward and finding the solution for i686 though in a timely manner.
Additionally, FESCo would like us to establish a minimum level of hardware
supported. We are working on this list and will follow up with you once we have it completed. In the interim, we did want to address a couple of concerns that were passed along by Stephen Smoogen:
- We have decided to drop support for PAE, so please feel free to disable
it on the next build
- We have decided to continue to support pre-SSE2 hardware for the time
being
Done, rawhide going forward will drop PAE. Current stable Fedora releases will continue to build PAE as it wouldn't be wise to drop support on an existing release.
Thanks, Justin
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Justin Forbes jforbes@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
(Apologies - resending because I wasn't subscribed earlier)
Hi list,
I'm contacting you on behalf of the x86 SIG. Today FESCo approved our request to continue to support Fedora on x86 hardware, provided that we do our part to keep things running.
I encourage you to reach out to us when things do come up. You can find us at x86@lists.fedoraproject.org or on #fedora-x86. We will likewise try to be proactive in tracking down and triaging x86-related issues as well as helping test and debug things.
One caveat that FESCo attached to our request is that if you, the kernel team are cleared to treat i686 as any other secondary arch when you run into build issues. That is, you are allowed to ExcludeArch i686 until these issues are resolved. We ask that you block FE-ExcludeArch-x86 so that we can track these issues.
Happy to do so. There wasn't much need on the current issue because there
are other problems keeping us from getting a successful build just yet. Yay, merge window. I really appreciate the SIG stepping forward and finding the solution for i686 though in a timely manner.
Additionally, FESCo would like us to establish a minimum level of hardware
supported. We are working on this list and will follow up with you once we have it completed. In the interim, we did want to address a couple of concerns that were passed along by Stephen Smoogen:
- We have decided to drop support for PAE, so please feel free to disable
it on the next build
- We have decided to continue to support pre-SSE2 hardware for the time
being
Done, rawhide going forward will drop PAE. Current stable Fedora releases will continue to build PAE as it wouldn't be wise to drop support on an existing release.
This might require changes in Anaconda. IIRC, it will look at the cpuflags during install and look to install the PAE kernel if that flag is present. Unless the standard i686 kernel does a fake Provides, it might cause install issues if it's missing. At least worth verifying.
josh
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:43 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Justin Forbes jforbes@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
(Apologies - resending because I wasn't subscribed earlier)
Hi list,
I'm contacting you on behalf of the x86 SIG. Today FESCo approved our request to continue to support Fedora on x86 hardware, provided that we do our part to keep things running.
I encourage you to reach out to us when things do come up. You can find us at x86@lists.fedoraproject.org or on #fedora-x86. We will likewise try to be proactive in tracking down and triaging x86-related issues as well as helping test and debug things.
One caveat that FESCo attached to our request is that if you, the kernel team are cleared to treat i686 as any other secondary arch when you run into build issues. That is, you are allowed to ExcludeArch i686 until these issues are resolved. We ask that you block FE-ExcludeArch-x86 so that we can track these issues.
Happy to do so. There wasn't much need on the current issue because there
are other problems keeping us from getting a successful build just yet. Yay, merge window. I really appreciate the SIG stepping forward and finding the solution for i686 though in a timely manner.
Additionally, FESCo would like us to establish a minimum level of hardware
supported. We are working on this list and will follow up with you once we have it completed. In the interim, we did want to address a couple of concerns that were passed along by Stephen Smoogen:
- We have decided to drop support for PAE, so please feel free to disable
it on the next build
- We have decided to continue to support pre-SSE2 hardware for the time
being
Done, rawhide going forward will drop PAE. Current stable Fedora releases will continue to build PAE as it wouldn't be wise to drop support on an existing release.
This might require changes in Anaconda. IIRC, it will look at the cpuflags during install and look to install the PAE kernel if that flag is present. Unless the standard i686 kernel does a fake Provides, it might cause install issues if it's missing. At least worth verifying.
I'm pretty sure it will, it'll also need changes in the lorax templates.
Peter
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 06:48:05PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:43 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Justin Forbes jforbes@redhat.com wrote:
Done, rawhide going forward will drop PAE. Current stable Fedora releases will continue to build PAE as it wouldn't be wise to drop support on an existing release.
This might require changes in Anaconda. IIRC, it will look at the cpuflags during install and look to install the PAE kernel if that flag is present. Unless the standard i686 kernel does a fake Provides, it might cause install issues if it's missing. At least worth verifying.
I'm pretty sure it will, it'll also need changes in the lorax templates.
Good point. Forgive my ignorance, but should I contact someone in addition to the Anaconda team to see that that is addressed?
Thanks!
jeff
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 01:43:59PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Justin Forbes jforbes@redhat.com wrote:
Done, rawhide going forward will drop PAE. Current stable Fedora releases will continue to build PAE as it wouldn't be wise to drop support on an existing release.
This might require changes in Anaconda. IIRC, it will look at the cpuflags during install and look to install the PAE kernel if that flag is present. Unless the standard i686 kernel does a fake Provides, it might cause install issues if it's missing. At least worth verifying.
Good point. I'll reach out to the Anaconda team shortly. Sorry for taking so long to respond. Life got in the way. :)
jeff
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:22:28PM -0500, Justin Forbes wrote:
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jeff Backus jeff.backus@gmail.com wrote:
(Apologies - resending because I wasn't subscribed earlier)
Hi list,
I'm contacting you on behalf of the x86 SIG. Today FESCo approved our request to continue to support Fedora on x86 hardware, provided that we do our part to keep things running.
I encourage you to reach out to us when things do come up. You can find us at x86@lists.fedoraproject.org or on #fedora-x86. We will likewise try to be proactive in tracking down and triaging x86-related issues as well as helping test and debug things.
One caveat that FESCo attached to our request is that if you, the kernel team are cleared to treat i686 as any other secondary arch when you run into build issues. That is, you are allowed to ExcludeArch i686 until these issues are resolved. We ask that you block FE-ExcludeArch-x86 so that we can track these issues.
Happy to do so. There wasn't much need on the current issue because there are other problems keeping us from getting a successful build just yet. Yay, merge window. I really appreciate the SIG stepping forward and finding the solution for i686 though in a timely manner.
Its our pleasure. All part of being part of a community! :)
Additionally, FESCo would like us to establish a minimum level of hardware supported. We are working on this list and will follow up with you once we have it completed. In the interim, we did want to address a couple of concerns that were passed along by Stephen Smoogen:
- We have decided to drop support for PAE, so please feel free to disable
it on the next build
- We have decided to continue to support pre-SSE2 hardware for the time
being
Done, rawhide going forward will drop PAE. Current stable Fedora releases will continue to build PAE as it wouldn't be wise to drop support on an existing release.
Yes, waiting until the next release makes sense. Thanks!
jeff
On Wed, 2017-10-04 at 10:47 +0000, Jia Yuan Lo wrote:
- We have decided to drop support for PAE, so please feel free to
disable it on the next build
I suppose people who wants to use more than 4GB of RAM (and all the other x64 benefits) should just use 64bit altogether...
Indeed, if you have > 4G of physical address space to handle you certainly want a 64bit kernel these days.
The only reason for keeping PAE for 32bit kernels would be NX support (which requires 64bit page table entries so it works in PAE mode only).
cheers, Gerd
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