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Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 10:24 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> Here's a thought:
> 1304 random packages will install 724 MB of data in /usr/share/doc
> I'm sure there is /something/ to gain here. If every package on average
> installs ~0.5 MB of docs... Would it worth figuring out what docs should
> be on the LiveCD in the first place? I guess removing everything RPM
> calls docs is too much, as this will include man-pages as well.
> Any thoughts?
If the live images weren't installable? Sure. Since they are, though,
you're trading off a little space in the short-term for hurting every
user in the long-term. Because they a) won't have the docs if they want
them b) won't be able to use deltarpms c) make the system look hacked
by rpm -V not working, ...
Ohw, but my thoughts do not necessarily apply only to what the Fedora
Project wants/needs. I'm with you that this should not be applied to
LiveCDs the Fedora Project distributes and have a default to copy
themselves block-by-block. For other LiveCDs however, distributed along
with some medium carrying RPMs or using a netinstall tree or simply not
being installable removing any irrelevant files is a space-saver, don't
It's really just not a good idea for the official images. That
anyone who wants to for their own unofficial live images that they build
for whatever reason is more than welcome to have "rm
-rf /usr/share/doc/*" in their %post.
I was looking for a way to be more considerate with removing files ;-)
That's actually what the thread was about in the first place.
The _better_ thing to do is to actually look at what's being
as docs and then figure out some improved packaging policy and see about
not shipping some of it. eg, I'm not sure it makes sense to ship the
ChangeLogs in general, either for the live CD or a regular system. But
I suspect that to be somewhat controversial.
You're right this is what I wanted in the first place. If I think of a
LiveCD I think of a fully-featured desktop more then a fully-documented
command shell because the CD has only 700MB. I'm looking for what can be
removed without loosing common help documentation, but getting rid of
files that consume space I could maybe use to put an extra feature in.
If this disables being rpm -qVa'd, so be it. If it's not installable, so
be it. If I need some extra medium carrying the RPMs or need to go
online, so be it. A LiveCD IMO is often just a show-case, not an
installer nor a system that runs for hours and hours and needs to be rpm
- -qV(a)'d from time to time.
 It was about 10 megs for the end live image the last time I looked.
Which in the scheme of things isn't that much
Just the ChangeLogs? 10 megs? Wow.
Jeroen van Meeuwen
RHCE, LPIC-2, MCP, CCNA
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