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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2013-01-31)
by Kevin Fenzi 31 Jan '13

31 Jan '13

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-01-31) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-31/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:02) * Week in review (nirik, 18:01:54) * ticket #136 - Unban dan408/vicodan from #fedora-social (nirik, 18:06:43) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/136 (nirik, 18:07:11) * AGREED: no lifting of the ban at this time. (nirik, 18:09:39) * ticket #137 - User was harassing, very hostile (nirik, 18:09:48) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/137 (nirik, 18:10:00) * ticket #138 - Kudos: fenris02 (nirik, 18:19:05) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/138 (nirik, 18:19:17) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:20:07) Meeting ended at 18:24:52 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (54) * StillBob (20) * Kyle (9) * Sonar_Gal (7) * N3LRX (6) * DiscordianUK (5) * Adran (4) * zodbot (3) * pjones (2) -- 18:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-01-31) 18:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 31 18:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:00:02 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:11 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting? 18:00:15 * N3LRX 18:00:34 * Sonar_Gal 18:00:48 * StillBob 18:01:14 * DiscordianUK is 18:01:49 <nirik> cool. I guess lets drive on in. 18:01:54 <nirik> #topic Week in review 18:02:04 <nirik> Anyone have items from the previous week to note or discuss? 18:02:28 <DiscordianUK> It seems fairly quiet I think 18:02:53 <StillBob> Closed source graphics drivers, and apple hardware seem to be common problems 18:03:20 <DiscordianUK> and anaconda and/uefi 18:03:37 <nirik> yeah. 18:03:43 <N3LRX> Yeah, F18 seems not to like even modern Apple hardware. 18:03:59 <pjones> I've been trying to answer uefi questions on ask.fp.o 18:04:02 * nirik needs to finish that blog post he started called "why I will not help you with your catalyst problems" 18:04:22 <nirik> pjones: cool. 18:04:33 <nirik> should we point folks with weird efi stuff that way? 18:05:52 <nirik> any other common issues? or shall we move on? 18:06:39 <nirik> ok, we have several tickets this week (that were submitted just before the meeting last week) 18:06:43 <nirik> #topic ticket #136 - Unban dan408/vicodan from #fedora-social 18:07:10 <StillBob> I disagree with removing the ban 18:07:11 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/136 18:07:16 <pjones> nirik: I mean, depends on how weird it is? if it's going to require work rather than just answering questions, the mailing list is definitely better 18:07:36 <nirik> pjones: sure. 18:08:08 <nirik> StillBob: ok. I personally would be ok with removing it, but would note that poor behavior would result in rebanning... but it sounds like I am outvoted. 18:08:40 * nirik likes giving people lots of chances to do better 18:08:54 <N3LRX> -1 on this one. I don't think it will take very long to get banned again. 18:08:55 <nirik> anyone else have thoughts? 18:09:02 <Sonar_Gal> -1 18:09:14 <DiscordianUK> I'm -1 too 18:09:20 <StillBob> Southern_Gentlem also voted -1 18:09:23 <nirik> ok, sounds like a no at this time then. ;) 18:09:39 <nirik> #agreed no lifting of the ban at this time. 18:09:46 <nirik> next ticket... 18:09:48 <nirik> #topic ticket #137 - User was harassing, very hostile 18:10:00 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/137 18:10:37 * nirik fixes the logs 18:11:05 <Kyle> nirik: please do 18:11:17 <nirik> reload. it should be much more readable now. ;) 18:11:54 <nirik> anyhow, as I can gather, user threatened to switch to another distro and everyone decided to stop trying to help then and it went downhill. 18:13:02 <StillBob> Guilty as charged 18:13:13 <nirik> IMHO, if you don't want to help someone anymore, stop interacting with them... I mean what good is it going to do? 18:13:47 <StillBob> In fact, the threat was made in -unreg and when the user came to #fedora I shared it for the whole world to see. I am sorry. 18:14:10 <Kyle> He had came back and asked for more help, though, and afaict he said sorry about his previous mess. 18:14:41 <nirik> also, there's a bit of the pile on problem here. 18:14:49 <StillBob> I do believe that they did sort their stuff out in the end. 18:15:20 <N3LRX> Threatening to switch distros is also very non-productive. If they are not happy move on. 18:15:48 <nirik> sure, but then saying you will not help them anymore and continuing to interact with them seems also non productive. ;) 18:16:06 <Kyle> I think it was a bit stupid everyone kept going *after* the quiet was put in place 18:16:21 <StillBob> "Fedora sucks, I'm changing distros" is a trigger point for me, it almost always involves people that have never actually worked on their problem. 18:16:32 <nirik> Kyle: agreed. 18:16:39 <Kyle> *shrug* both sides were at fault from what I can tell 18:16:45 <nirik> StillBob: sure, understandable. 18:17:28 <nirik> yeah. So, on our part we can try and not belabor things and keep going on without being willing to help. From their part they can avoid trying to threaten people who might help them. 18:18:05 * nirik isn't sure there's any other actions we can take, try and learn from our mistakes and hope they do too 18:18:17 <Kyle> ditto, it was only a temporary quiet 18:18:20 * StillBob agrees 18:18:29 <nirik> anyone have further input on this one? 18:18:44 <StillBob> Kyle: all oper actions are temporary 18:19:01 <Kyle> StillBob: I know they are :p 18:19:03 <nirik> ok, moving on to next ticket... 18:19:05 <nirik> #topic ticket #138 - Kudos: fenris02 18:19:17 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/138 18:19:31 <nirik> kudos to fenrus02. 18:19:45 <StillBob> Kyle: Except me banning dan408_ 18:19:48 <StillBob> ;) 18:19:50 <Kyle> StillBob: :p 18:19:53 <Sonar_Gal> WOOT fenrus02 18:19:56 <DiscordianUK> +1 18:20:07 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:20:15 <StillBob> Yeah, fenrus02 is 1-1 on the week 18:20:17 <nirik> Anyone have items for open floor? suggestions, ideas? 18:20:53 <Adran> nirik: Trac for IRC Support SIG is 403'd 18:20:56 <nirik> would someone like to close tickets this week? or would you like me to do it? 18:21:07 <nirik> it's loading ok for me... 18:21:09 <StillBob> nirik: I would prefer if you did it 18:21:16 <Kyle> Adran: working for me 18:21:25 <Adran> Huh. 18:21:27 <nirik> StillBob: sure, I can. 18:21:30 <nirik> Adran: odd. 18:21:42 <Adran> Forbidden - You don't have permission to access /ircsig-hosted-banner.png on this server. 18:21:42 <nirik> yeah, it's working fine her.e 18:21:45 <Kyle> the only thing 403'ing for me is the logo 18:21:48 <StillBob> Sonar_Gal: Will the stats be coming back? 18:21:49 <Sonar_Gal> Adran, works fine here also 18:21:50 <nirik> ah, the logo. 18:21:56 * nirik looks 18:21:56 <Adran> The logo yes. sorry. 18:21:59 <StillBob> Yeah the logo is broken 18:22:09 <nirik> we can sort out the logo. Good call. 18:22:10 <N3LRX> hmmm, F18 appears to have issues with my kbd. That's the third time my kbd had quit mid sentence requiring a complete disconnect-reconnect. 18:22:52 <StillBob> Sonar_Gal: I've not heard anything from Sonar_Guy about it. 18:23:05 <nirik> N3LRX: kernel issue? ;( 18:23:25 <Sonar_Gal> StillBob, no clue he has been working on the servers 18:23:30 <N3LRX> dunno.. 18:23:31 <StillBob> Sonar_Gal: Just wondering if we should we be looking for another solution? 18:23:34 <Sonar_Gal> I will check with him tonight 18:23:35 <StillBob> OK 18:23:44 <nirik> cool. thanks Sonar_Gal 18:24:17 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, will close out in a minute here. 18:24:33 <Sonar_Gal> +1 18:24:42 <StillBob> +1 18:24:48 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. Lets get out and help folks out. :) 18:24:52 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2013/01/31)
by Akira TAGOH 31 Jan '13

31 Jan '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:02:56 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-31/i18n.2013-01-31-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:02:58) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-01-31 (tagoh_, 06:02:59) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:06:16) * 2013-02-12 f16 EOL (tagoh_, 06:06:16) * the end of February (NOT DECIDED YET, INITIAL TARGET!!!) Branch Fedora 19 from Rawhide (tagoh_, 06:06:17) * second half of May (NOT DECIDED YET, INITIAL TARGET!!!) Fedora 19 Final Release (tagoh_, 06:06:17) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:08:23) * #12: language support installation command (pnemade) (tagoh_, 06:08:23) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/12 (tagoh_, 06:08:24) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N#How_to_Install.2FRemove_Language_Support (paragan, 06:08:37) * #14: Fedora 16 bugs cleanup (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:11:24) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/14 (tagoh_, 06:11:24) * Outstanding task (tagoh_, 06:30:03) * #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno) (tagoh_, 06:30:04) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15 (tagoh_, 06:30:04) * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:37:18) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16 (tagoh_, 06:37:18) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-18_i18n (tagoh_, 06:44:44) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-28_l10n#Test_Matrix (tagoh_, 06:46:51) * ACTION: tagoh to create a mockup for new matrix for test day (tagoh_, 07:09:07) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 07:09:23) Meeting ended at 07:12:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ * tagoh to create a mockup for new matrix for test day Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * tagoh to create a mockup for new matrix for test day People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (75) * juhp (23) * pravins (8) * paragan (5) * dueno (4) * zodbot (3) * Alam (3) * epico (2) * anish__ (2) * dchen (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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EMEA ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-01-30
by Jiri Eischmann 30 Jan '13

30 Jan '13

Hi, we had a productive meeting that lasted 1 hour and 30 minutes. 12 people showed up. Read the meeting minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-30/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-30/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-30/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be on February 13th (at 21:00 UTC). See you in two weeks! Jiri

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Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo Meeting (2013-01-30)
by Marcela Mašláňová 30 Jan '13

30 Jan '13

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FAmNA Meeting (29 January 2013)
by inode0 29 Jan '13

29 Jan '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by inode0 at 01:59:22 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-30/famna.2013-01-30… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:59:35) * Announcements (inode0, 02:00:28) * Tickets (inode0, 02:02:34) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 02:02:38) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_11X_Event (inode0, 02:05:01) * AGREED: FAmNA agrees to set aside $2500 for funding SCALE (inode0, 02:13:13) * Open Floor (inode0, 02:32:01) Meeting ended at 02:43:03 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * inode0 (70) * chanchito (32) * vwbusguy (25) * nb (20) * award3535 (10) * zodbot (9) * kaptk2 (7) * Jsandys (5) * dan408__ (1) * wrnash1 (1) John

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Fedora Marketing team minutes - Jan 24, 2013
by Ruth Suehle 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

Quick summary and request for input: - Progress on language-specific brochures continues. Please speak up if you're interested in contributing content for one of these. First to be completed is Python in time for PyCon in March. - We've discussed several times moving to HootSuite for Fedora's social media needs, as the benefits outweigh the issue of it not being open source (and there not being an open alternative). Consider this the last call for fervent objection. :-) - Stay tuned for Fedora 18 videos fresh off of FUDCon! Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-24/fedora_marketi… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-24/fedora_marketi… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-24/fedora_marketi…

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-01-24)
by Kevin Fenzi 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-01-24) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-24/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:04) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:06) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:03:08) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:31:35) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:49:37) * Fudcon recap (nirik, 20:01:32) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra (abadger1999, 20:07:37) * Open Floor (nirik, 20:10:49) Meeting ended at 20:13:47 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (96) * skvidal (59) * puiterwijk (40) * abadger1999 (38) * pingou (38) * threebean (20) * mdomsch (9) * dgilmore (8) * smooge (6) * relrod (5) * zodbot (4) * suehle (4) * mjg59 (3) * lmacken (2) * misc (2) * maayke (1) * Adran (1) * ricky (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-01-24) 19:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 24 19:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:04 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:04 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:11 <nirik> who all is around for meeting? 19:00:15 <relrod> here 19:00:17 * skvidal is here 19:00:28 * puiterwijk is here (finally) 19:00:31 * lmacken 19:00:37 * maayke is here 19:00:58 * pingou 19:01:08 <dgilmore> hola 19:01:14 * abadger1999 here 19:01:57 <nirik> welcome everyone. ;) 19:02:04 <smooge> hgere 19:02:06 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:02:15 <nirik> any new folks? or apprentice questions? 19:02:54 <nirik> going once... 19:03:08 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:03:23 <nirik> tons of app stuff from fudcon. :) I tried to summarize some of it on the list. 19:03:30 <pingou> and more to discuss 19:03:35 <nirik> if I left out something someone worked on, please chime in on list. 19:03:44 <nirik> yep. so, fire away... 19:04:07 <puiterwijk> hey,I have something 19:04:21 <puiterwijk> since FUDCon, I have been busy with a new OpenID provider for FAS 19:04:23 <puiterwijk> FAS-OpenID 19:05:01 <puiterwijk> At this moment, it's stable and compatible with every OpenID consumer I have found so far, so if anyone wants to test, please talk to me :) 19:06:09 <nirik> puiterwijk: I'll try and get a openid.stg instance setup soon... we can ask more widespread testing then too. 19:06:15 <nirik> this _does_ have the groups handling? 19:06:24 <puiterwijk> yes, this DOES have groups extension 19:07:17 <nirik> ok. 19:07:45 <puiterwijk> this is also the basis for my 2factor authentication policy suggestion 19:08:09 <pingou> which basically brings the question of moving all our apps over to OpenID 19:08:23 <puiterwijk> in short: my idea (and Toshio's) was to make all of our applications sign on using OpenID 19:08:30 * nirik nods. 19:09:05 <puiterwijk> applications are able to require the user to use 2nd factor to access that app 19:09:14 <abadger1999> one ramification of this is that we'd be losing shared-cookie SSO. But logging in to other apps would be trivial (wouldn't have to retype password as the openid server would have a session cookie to authenticate you to it) 19:09:24 <dgilmore> one thing that would be nice is yubikey support in fedorahosted 19:09:49 <nirik> and getting away from mod_auth_pg 19:09:51 <nirik> would be very nice. 19:10:10 <puiterwijk> yes, the user wouldn't notice that he would be sent to OpenID, as the provider returns him immediately if he sees the user is already logged on 19:10:49 <abadger1999> puiterwijk: We wouldn't have a "confirm you want to send this set of information to this other application" anymore? 19:10:54 <pingou> the current implementation uses a time-out after 15min, the new for the moment is valid for the time the browser is running 19:11:15 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: no, because we have a set of trusted roots (our apps mostly) for which the user won't be asked to confirm. I already have that sytem in place 19:11:22 <abadger1999> we'd probably need to bump that up although unlimited is too much. 19:11:32 <mjg59> /win 153 19:11:39 <dgilmore> mjg59: fail 19:11:40 <pingou> mjg59: oups :) 19:11:50 <relrod> and I thought 80 was a lot of windows. :( 19:11:56 <abadger1999> puiterwijk: excellent. The plan is fFor other apps (like pypi), to still have that confirmation page, then? 19:11:59 <mjg59> Oh that's only halfway through. 19:12:05 <mjg59> (Sorry, laggy connection failure) 19:12:28 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: yes, so the skipping is only done for apps that in the openid's trusted_root list 19:12:30 * nirik is ok with this plan in general. I want to ponder on it a bit more and see if there's things I am not thinking of that would trip it up 19:12:31 <puiterwijk> (which we can configure) 19:12:31 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:12:41 <pingou> abadger1999: the 'white list' would be configure in the configuration file of the application (iiuc) 19:12:45 <abadger1999> puiterwijk: what about CLI? 19:13:14 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: that would be harder, but I guess we'd have to extend it 19:13:22 <pingou> puiterwijk: any idea how? 19:13:26 <abadger1999> Have to move to a model where we make a separate request to login followed by requests for the information we want? 19:13:30 <dgilmore> puiterwijk: a lot of our apps have clis 19:13:41 <pingou> and we should keep them 19:13:46 <abadger1999> (using the session cookie we get back to auth those followup requests) 19:13:49 <dgilmore> we have to keep them 19:13:56 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: yeah, something like that. maybe with a return value saying "you need 2nd fa" 19:15:53 <abadger1999> k. I think we can make CLI work then... might just be slightly less efficient under the hood. 19:16:05 <nirik> so, we need mod_auth_openid packaged again (for hosted, etc). 19:16:15 <puiterwijk> nirik: yeah, already busy on that one 19:16:21 <pingou> abadger1999: or via fedora-python? 19:16:28 <nirik> puiterwijk: my last attempt should still be around if you want it. 19:16:38 <puiterwijk> nirik: okay, will check that one 19:16:41 <nirik> also, can wiki use openid? 19:16:53 <nirik> I guess we can move things as we get them sorted out... 19:16:58 <puiterwijk> nirik: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID 19:17:24 <puiterwijk> yeah, I guess we can do that. that way, if we need more OpenID extensions for some things, I can always add them 19:17:30 <skvidal> stupid question about openid 19:17:40 <skvidal> in the cases where we need to check for a single group 19:17:40 <puiterwijk> skvidal: yes? 19:17:55 <skvidal> is it possible to provide an openid url that ONLY works for that subset of users in that group? 19:18:11 <pingou> like skvidal would like to do with copr atm :) 19:18:23 <skvidal> pingou: indeed 19:18:27 <puiterwijk> skvidal: I guess I could make that yeah 19:18:38 <pingou> and we will want that for cla+1 in most of our apps 19:18:39 <skvidal> then the user doesn't see the openid bits for fas-only auth 19:18:44 <skvidal> it just works 19:18:55 <pingou> unless we did as we do now and provide openid only for cla+1 19:19:01 <puiterwijk> skvidal: but on the other hand: you get group information, so you might just say in your application to filter on that group 19:19:17 <skvidal> does that even make sense? 19:19:23 <puiterwijk> or I could develop an OpenID extension to say you require a special group 19:19:26 <skvidal> if there a nicer/better/more standards compliant way/ of doing that? 19:19:47 <skvidal> puiterwijk: I was thinking that a lot of apps might not be able to do that w/o a lot of local hacking for groups 19:19:48 <nirik> and with badges and such we may be moving to providing openid/alias to cla... 19:20:05 <skvidal> puiterwijk: since most apps just think to get a yes or no from openid 19:20:09 <pingou> true there nirik 19:20:26 <puiterwijk> skvidal: as I said: I could just specify a new extension to require a specific group 19:20:30 <skvidal> I was trying to avoid us having to write custom patches to apps we don't maintain (like the wiki, for example) 19:20:32 <puiterwijk> skvidal: wouldn't be too hard 19:20:34 <nirik> if we do that we also need to be ready for people to use openid for other things... like login to their local fedora machine. ;) 19:20:58 <pingou> \ó/ 19:21:45 <puiterwijk> but maybe I could indeed define a new url for <group>.id.fp.o 19:22:08 <puiterwijk> or <group>.group.id.fp.o, we shoud discuss that sometime 19:22:12 <nirik> anyhow, it looks like we all kinda like the idea... needs more work and testing, but might end up saving us fas and application maint in the long run. 19:22:41 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:22:49 <skvidal> anyway - just a wacky thought 19:22:49 <skvidal> puiterwijk: just so we're clear - I think you're efforts here look pretty damn good - I wasn't trying to nitpick with that question 19:23:04 <puiterwijk> skvidal: it's no problem :) 19:23:31 <puiterwijk> I understand :) 19:23:33 <pingou> puiterwijk: eta on 0.1.0 ? 19:23:49 <skvidal> well okay then 19:23:52 <puiterwijk> pingou: I guess today? maybe tomorrow? 19:23:57 * threebean is late, but likes this idea a lot 19:24:04 <puiterwijk> the only thing still needed is theming, and that's just a bunch of HTML 19:24:05 <pingou> abadger1999: when is rolling the next fas release ? 19:24:21 * pingou proposes the FAN to puiterwijk 19:24:30 <abadger1999> pingou: I'm rolling a new python-fedora today. so fas will probably get put off until tomorrow. 19:24:31 <pingou> Fedora Activity Night :p 19:24:39 <nirik> Smoother1rOgZ wasn't able to make it today but: 19:24:42 <nirik> Smoother1rOgZ> nirik: hey, I might be on my way home during infra meeting so here's my input for apps update: we should have by now a FAS release ready to update. toshio has howver some changes in stg which should bump fas to 0.8.17 as release ready-to-go. 19:24:44 <abadger1999> If only threebean would stop pushing new nad better code ;-) 19:24:54 <pingou> annoying threebean ! 19:25:03 <nirik> heh. 19:25:29 <pingou> abadger1999: might be nice to roll another one after w/o the openid part 19:25:38 <pingou> Smoother1rOgZ: ^ 19:26:33 <nirik> puiterwijk: another dumb question: right now the openid provider redirects to fas to authenticate right? Is there anything very fas specific in that? 19:27:02 <pingou> nirik: flask-fas under the hood 19:27:02 <puiterwijk> nirik: no, with about 10 lines changed, you can use any other auth system that supports groups I guess 19:27:13 <threebean> :) 19:27:28 <abadger1999> pingou: <nod> -- once we have fas-openid deployed in production we can remove the openid stuff from fas itself. 19:27:36 <nirik> ok, cool. 19:27:39 <pingou> abadger1999: nice 19:27:53 <nirik> Just thinking thats making us less 'fas specific' if we decided to replace fas someday with something else. 19:28:12 <nirik> anyhow. 19:28:24 <nirik> any other apps news folks have? upcoming releases? cool things? 19:28:27 <abadger1999> flask seems pretty easy to code authentication methods for so should be easier than currently. 19:28:45 <abadger1999> python-fedora release, fas release coming up soonest. 19:28:53 <abadger1999> packagedb release after a waiting period. 19:28:54 <pingou> pkgdb release in a bit :) 19:29:11 <threebean> /packages has been flipping out since saturday; the fix should be ready to go out soon. hopefully tomorrow? 19:29:17 <abadger1999> nirik: I think we said two weeks from the time I announced that features were going away. 19:29:21 <nirik> yep 19:29:25 <abadger1999> Cool. 19:29:36 <threebean> dgilmore and I are talking about hooking koji up to fedmsg, again hopefully tomorrow 19:29:45 <abadger1999> threebean: yeah -- Does that only need the pyhton-fedora update or something more aswell? 19:30:15 <threebean> abadger1999: just that update, but I also have to write an init file and do the release dance 19:30:28 <abadger1999> k 19:31:01 <nirik> awesome. :) 19:31:26 * nirik will move on then if nothing else pressing... 19:31:35 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:31:47 <nirik> I'm going to schedule some outages next week... tuesday and wed. 19:32:00 <nirik> going to do updates/mass reboots of class a / b machines. 19:32:15 <nirik> and also move our iscsi storage. (That will be so fun!) 19:32:30 <mdomsch> made good progress on MM at FUDCon. Looking forward to taking more patches from abadger1999, pingou, and smooge 19:32:30 <mdomsch> :-) 19:32:33 <mdomsch> want to get that into staging soon and find out what else I broke 19:32:50 <pingou> mdomsch: awesome! 19:33:00 <smooge> I am looking at taking the syslog patch we did and add it to mirrormanager_crawler 19:33:25 <abadger1999> Yay! 19:33:39 <smooge> so I can track when servers are out of order so we can see it sooner. 19:34:07 <mdomsch> snapmirror to download-i2 running again 19:34:31 <mdomsch> smooge yea! 19:34:47 <nirik> yeah, I moved download-i2 to point back to download-ib01 for now. will change it back when the rdu ones are up to date. 19:35:15 <smooge> and galgoci said we needed to change the IPs anyway on the RDU boxes because he gave out the wrong ones 19:35:17 <mdomsch> nirik: care to comment on the new hotfix policy? 19:35:22 <mdomsch> I think it's a great idea 19:36:07 <skvidal> smooge: nice 19:36:15 <nirik> oh yeah... 19:36:18 <mdomsch> check in full files, then check in the patch 19:36:26 <mdomsch> so we can easily see the patches 19:36:28 <nirik> made a sop: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/hotfix.txt 19:39:03 * nirik looks at other sysadmin stuff... 19:39:12 <puiterwijk> nirik: maybe discuss my suggestion? 19:39:33 <puiterwijk> the suggestion to make noc able to use run-puppet nowait on all servers they have access to? 19:39:36 * nirik is somewhat distracted by ongoing dns outage issue. 19:39:55 <nirik> yeah, I'm not opposed to that 19:39:56 <puiterwijk> as right now, I have to wait half an hour for puppet to run on some servers 19:40:23 <puiterwijk> (like last weekend when I was watching the servers, I had to wait a lot for memcached ...) 19:40:47 <abadger1999> +1 19:40:56 * threebean likes it too 19:40:59 <nirik> when we go to ansible we were looking at making it run only on changes. 19:41:13 <skvidal> nirik: hmmm - maybe a sudo entry on lockbox01 19:41:21 <dgilmore> im ok with that as long as sysadmin-noc has no access to any of the build/releng boxes 19:41:43 <skvidal> nm 19:41:43 <skvidal> sorry 19:41:53 <nirik> dgilmore: I don't think they do. 19:42:00 <nirik> can doublecheck. 19:42:02 <puiterwijk> nope, we don't 19:42:06 <puiterwijk> (we as in noc) 19:42:29 <puiterwijk> noc doesn't have access to those. but I suggested only sudo run-puppet nowait access to noc) 19:42:38 <nirik> ok, I'll make that sudoers change after the meeting. ;) 19:42:45 <puiterwijk> ok, thanks :) 19:42:47 <nirik> anything else sysadmin wise? 19:43:19 * threebean has one 19:43:21 <threebean> kinda 19:43:37 <threebean> misc re-raised the idea of sending nagios notifications out over fedmsg 19:43:39 <nirik> sure, fire away 19:43:53 <threebean> we discussed it over the summer and decided that it was unwise to attach nagios in any way to it. 19:44:34 <threebean> now that we've seen fedmsg working (most of the time), is anyone interested in talking about it again or trying it out? 19:44:53 <nirik> well, not sure... 19:45:05 <threebean> it would only make sense in a supplementary capacity. notifs via email, sms, and fedmsg. 19:45:26 <nirik> I'd say we should look at doing that as part of a larger effort to rework nagios, which I intend to work on 19:45:38 <abadger1999> Hard deps would definitely still be out. But we do have code to add fedmsg such that it doesn't fail if fedmsg is not available 19:45:56 * abadger1999 remembers to add that to the AppBestPractics page 19:46:00 <nirik> right, it would be informational, not us acting on it. 19:46:18 <nirik> and if we decided to act on it, we would query nagios directly to make sure that was the case. 19:46:25 * threebean nods 19:46:39 <skvidal> a couple of minor things 19:47:16 <nirik> trust, but verify. or... don't trust, and verify. ;) 19:47:42 <skvidal> threebean: we've still not seen fedmsg under load, have we? 19:47:56 <skvidal> ah 19:48:18 <threebean> skvidal: not real load. I've done some dummy tests. 19:48:48 * Adran wanders in. [sorry about being late.] 19:49:16 <skvidal> okay 19:49:30 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin stuff? shall we move on? 19:49:37 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:49:39 <skvidal> I'm a LITTLE concerned about our nagios info being public 19:49:44 <nirik> any cloudy stuf? 19:49:53 <skvidal> since putting it on fedmsg would make it available to everyone 19:49:53 <skvidal> but not massively so 19:50:02 <nirik> skvidal: true. it's sysadmin now right? 19:50:09 <threebean> yeah.. I have to auth for https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//status.cgi?host=all 19:50:17 <skvidal> nirik: sysadmin-noc, isn't it? 19:50:28 <pingou> skvidal: sysadmin 19:50:32 <pingou> I can log in 19:50:32 <skvidal> okay 19:50:53 <misc> maybe having it public would permit to external people to say "we know, this is broken", instead of having people asking over on irc to the few one able to fix the issue :) 19:50:54 <skvidal> so it's not a high threshhold - ubt it 's a far cry from WAO 19:50:55 <nirik> yeah, and we send them to sysadmin. ;) 19:50:58 <skvidal> misc: no 19:51:03 <skvidal> misc: here's what will happen 19:51:07 <skvidal> they'll see it is a problem 19:51:09 <skvidal> and come tell us 19:51:19 <misc> ah, yeah, maybe too :) 19:51:25 <skvidal> it'll be like the most laggy paging system in the world 19:51:45 <threebean> ha :P 19:51:48 <threebean> distributed paging 19:51:53 <threebean> someone is *sure* to tell us :) 19:52:26 <nirik> :) 19:52:28 <skvidal> anyway 19:52:33 <relrod> skvidal: We let anyone idle in sysadmin-noc, doesn't that effectively make it available to anyone, anyway? 19:52:38 <skvidal> relrod: no 19:52:43 <skvidal> 1. we don;'t let ANYONE in 19:52:47 <relrod> #sysadmin-noc 19:52:48 <relrod> sorry 19:52:55 <skvidal> oh 19:52:59 <skvidal> and still no 19:53:04 <skvidal> there is social pressure in that channel 19:53:08 <skvidal> it exists in all places 19:53:13 <skvidal> there is no pressure to listen to fedmsg logs 19:53:15 <skvidal> anyway 19:53:19 <skvidal> do not let me concerns be a blocker 19:53:34 <skvidal> I just wanted to put them out there b/c when/if things go horribly wrong I enjoy saying I told you so ;) 19:53:39 <nirik> ha. ;) 19:53:54 <nirik> I think we can think about it in a new nagios world... it may or may not make sense then. 19:53:59 <skvidal> agreed 19:54:12 <threebean> cool 19:55:12 <nirik> anyhow, on to clouds. ;) 19:55:20 <skvidal> so the minor items I had were about ansible playbooks 19:55:34 <nirik> I setup tflink with an openstack login/account and he's playing with it to see how it will work for qa needs. 19:55:36 <skvidal> I got to test the host-reboot playbook in anger this week and it worked as intended 19:55:42 <skvidal> I see 19:55:45 * skvidal moves along 19:55:59 <nirik> sorry, we can go back too. ;) 19:56:08 <smooge> my next nagios tag will output to fedmsg the password hash of people who have problems logging in. That way they can grab their hash and see if that helps them remember it. 19:56:31 <smooge> sorry slow type 19:57:05 <pingou> ?? 19:57:14 <skvidal> pingou: pretty sure smooge was kidding 19:57:22 <pingou> I surely hope so! :D 19:57:42 <nirik> so, we are adding more cloud stuff... we should keep working on finishing up stuff before we call it production. 19:57:43 <pingou> skvidal: I was like "wat" :) 19:57:56 <nirik> I think we can hash out much of whats left before too long. 19:58:40 <skvidal> everytime we add something persistent in the cloud I add it to ansible - provided that the provisioning process there remains the same - and we can migrate the data from the storage controller on the euca instance - we can move it about at will 19:59:20 <nirik> cool. I guess we need to hook up openstack to ansible as well... 20:00:03 <nirik> we can set them up with fasClient and two factor sudo anytime. 20:00:16 <nirik> anyhow, we will keep working on things there. 20:00:17 <skvidal> nirik: the only thing we need to connect openstack to ansible 20:00:18 <skvidal> afaict 20:00:23 <skvidal> is a functional, ssl'd ec2 api 20:00:26 <skvidal> that's it 20:00:38 <nirik> ok. I thought we had that, or was that not ssled? 20:00:45 <skvidal> not ssl'd 20:00:47 <skvidal> right 20:01:08 <nirik> ok 20:01:29 <nirik> ok, can poke at it more. 20:01:32 <nirik> #topic Fudcon recap 20:01:38 <nirik> it was great to meet up with everyone! 20:01:54 <nirik> anything people want to followup after fudcon ? 20:02:00 <abadger1999> Yeah -- and this year, it felt like we had a big healthy team :-) 20:02:04 <nirik> we didn't decide a FAD, but we have no shortage of choices. 20:02:31 <abadger1999> We started discussing app best practices and lmacken created this page => https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AppBestPractices 20:02:43 <abadger1999> We've been adding things we thought about to it since then. 20:02:55 <abadger1999> Feel free to peruse, add, and discuss. 20:03:07 <nirik> cool. 20:03:07 <threebean> :) 20:03:11 * pingou 'd love a app FAD 20:03:15 <lmacken> oo, we should probably mention kitchen in there :) 20:03:30 <abadger1999> Good idea. 20:04:34 <abadger1999> We never got around to graphining out all of our dependencies at fudcon but nirik, dgilmore, and I started thinking about it in terms of how it related to security. 20:04:36 <suehle> If anybody's here for the marketing team meeting, let's move over to #fedora-meeting-1 so these guys can finish. 20:04:54 <nirik> suehle: sorry, we could give you folks the room if you like. 20:04:58 <nirik> we are running slow today. ;( 20:05:13 <suehle> nirik, no problem at all! 20:05:24 <nirik> lets close out and move discussion over to #fedora-admin. ;) 20:05:27 <suehle> keep being productive and/or slow :) 20:05:29 <abadger1999> I'll send something to admin@ hopefully tomorrow summarizing that. 20:05:53 <skvidal> suehle: thppppt 20:06:44 <nirik> abadger1999: cool. I know we need to discuss more, we didn't come to too many conclusions. 20:06:53 <abadger1999> We moved some project hosting from fedorahosted to github. Pull requests and the code review you can do with it has already been a big help. 20:06:53 <dgilmore> abadger1999: indeed its a complex entanglement 20:07:11 <suehle> skvidal, nirik was the one who said you were being slow, raspberry him! 20:07:32 * dgilmore refuses to use github 20:07:37 <abadger1999> https://github.com/fedora-infra 20:09:01 <nirik> would it be possible/easy to also hook hosted into them? 20:09:17 <abadger1999> pingou or threebean ^ ? 20:09:31 <pingou> we should be able to have a post-hook script 20:09:32 <abadger1999> nirik: just as a mirror of the github repo you mean? 20:09:38 <pingou> which mirrors to hosted 20:10:00 <pingou> someone also mention that we can ask github to be the frontend of projects hosted elsewhere 20:10:05 <pingou> it's not in the UI but can be asked 20:10:11 <pingou> that might be worth looking into 20:10:17 <nirik> yeah, that might be nice. 20:10:33 <nirik> then hosted gets all the changes and people can contribute there or github for those projects that want 20:10:49 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 20:10:51 <pingou> yup 20:10:59 <nirik> anything for open floor? we are over time... ;( 20:11:06 <abadger1999> <nod> although we should think about if we want to do code review of all changes. 20:11:18 <abadger1999> If so, going through github would be better than going through feodrahosted. 20:11:53 <pingou> abadger1999: the UI would be gh and the git on hosted 20:12:53 <nirik> ok, anything else/ 20:12:54 <nirik> ? 20:13:45 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 20:13:47 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2013-01-24)
by Kevin Fenzi 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-01-24) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-24/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:02) * Week in review (nirik, 17:02:16) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:07:13) Meeting ended at 17:09:44 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (22) * DiscordianUK (7) * zodbot (3) * Khaytsus (2) * burble_ (1) -- 17:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-01-24) 17:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 24 17:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:02 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:12 <nirik> who all is around for a quick irc support sig meeting? 17:00:21 * DiscordianUK is 17:00:28 * burble_ is present 17:02:09 <nirik> ok. 17:02:16 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:02:38 <nirik> I had one thing for week in review... many people seem to be getting confused about the new f18 installer... 17:02:51 <nirik> we should point them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/NewInstaller 17:02:57 <DiscordianUK> That does seem to be the common issue 17:02:59 <nirik> which has info and background and known bugs. 17:03:20 * DiscordianUK notes that URL 17:03:46 <nirik> I think it would help a lot of folks out. 17:04:29 <nirik> anything else anyone would like to note from the previous week? common bugs people are hitting, etc? 17:04:33 <DiscordianUK> The new installer lacks polish 17:05:01 <DiscordianUK> I don't think I've seen any common issues 17:05:02 <nirik> sure, but it will get that over time. ;) the old installer was 14 years old. 17:06:30 <DiscordianUK> There are some issues with Gnome3 which gnome-tweak-tool addresses 17:06:42 * nirik nods. 17:06:58 <nirik> we have several tickets, but they were all filed in the last few days, so we will hit them next week. 17:07:09 <DiscordianUK> Cool 17:07:09 <nirik> if anyone has any comment on them, feel free to add to the tickets or note in list. 17:07:13 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:07:19 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor? 17:07:46 <Khaytsus> I like peanut butter 17:08:17 <nirik> chunky or smooth? 17:08:19 <nirik> :) 17:08:31 <Khaytsus> Both, but my kid likes smooth, so.. whaddya du 17:08:32 * nirik will end the very short meeting in a minute if nothing else comes up 17:09:41 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone. We will have a longer meeting next week for sure. ;) 17:09:44 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2013-01-24)
by Akira TAGOH 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:36 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-01-24/i18n.2013-01-24-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:03:37) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-01-24 (tagoh_, 06:03:37) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:06:04) * 2013-01-29 Feature Submission Deadline (tagoh_, 06:06:04) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:07:58) * #9: Fedora 19 Feature planning (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:07:58) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/9 (tagoh_, 06:07:59) * #12: language support installation command (pnemade) (tagoh_, 06:12:45) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/12 (tagoh_, 06:12:45) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N#How_to_Install.2FRemove_Language_Support (paragan, 06:25:17) * ACTION: paragan to add matrix of language group and locale code (tagoh_, 06:29:13) * #14: Fedora 16 bugs cleanup (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:29:30) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/14 (tagoh_, 06:29:30) * Outstanding task (tagoh_, 06:38:49) * #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno) (tagoh_, 06:38:49) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15 (tagoh_, 06:38:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libkkc (tagoh_, 06:39:38) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:53:50) Meeting ended at 06:57:45 UTC. Action Items ------------ * paragan to add matrix of language group and locale code Action Items, by person ----------------------- * paragan * paragan to add matrix of language group and locale code * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (66) * pravins (13) * dueno (8) * paragan (7) * juhp (4) * zodbot (3) * anish_ (2) * mfabian (1) * epico (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2013-01-23
by Paul Whalen 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-23/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-23/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-01-23/fedora-meeting… Paul

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