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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-01-30)
by Kevin Fenzi 30 Jan '14

30 Jan '14

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-01-30) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-30/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:03) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:01:23) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:14) * new fedocal into production today. Congrats pingou (nirik, 19:07:38) * new fedora-tagger in staging. should be in production by the end of the day (threebean, 19:08:24) * new copr version on monday. (nirik, 19:08:51) * work ongoing to add arm support to copr, but in holding for now. (nirik, 19:21:31) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications (threebean, 19:22:55) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications (randomuser, 19:23:47) * notifications going into more testing and feedback, will not announce yet. (nirik, 19:27:38) * cnucnu-web will get a prod instance setup and more testing, etc. (nirik, 19:28:07) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:35:07) * smooge in phx2 feb 11th to 14th (nirik, 19:35:59) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:43:04) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:43:04) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:46:39) * LINK: http://www.saveur.com/article/recipes/pearmans-toddy (threebean, 19:47:26) * note that many fedora folks are traveling this week and next for fosdem and devconf. (nirik, 19:49:10) Meeting ended at 19:51:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (97) * pingou (35) * mirek (19) * threebean (18) * smooge (15) * abompard (11) * danofsatx-work (9) * webpigeon (8) * willo (7) * adimania (6) * oddshocks (5) * zodbot (4) * randomuser (3) * lmacken (3) * tflink (2) * misc (1) * mariocav (1) * janeznemanic (1) * relrod (0) * mdomsch (0) * puiterwijk (0) * abadger1999 (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:03 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-01-30) 19:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 30 19:00:03 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:03 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:03 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:03 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:10 * oddshocks 19:00:12 <oddshocks> :D 19:00:14 * lmacken 19:00:19 <janeznemanic> hi 19:00:21 <mariocav> hello 19:00:27 <webpigeon> Hello 19:00:30 * oddshocks reporting from Existentialism class 19:00:36 * pingou 19:00:37 * threebean is here 19:00:47 <pingou> oddshocks: proove it :D 19:00:48 * abompard is here 19:00:50 * willo says present 19:00:55 <threebean> xD 19:00:58 * adimania is here 19:01:04 * danofsatx-work is lurking 19:01:13 <nirik> hey everyone. 19:01:23 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:01:30 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves? 19:01:36 <nirik> or apprentices with questions or comments? 19:01:38 <webpigeon> Hello there :) 19:01:38 * tflink is also lurking but a bit late :) 19:01:39 <oddshocks> pingou: "It is only through staking one's life that freedom is won." ;) 19:02:18 <pingou> oddshocks: ok I believe you :) 19:02:31 <nirik> :) 19:02:35 * mirek is here 19:02:44 <pingou> oddshocks: though I might disagree w/ the statement :) 19:02:52 <danofsatx-work> Well, I'm a newbie....do I need to rehash since I haven't been active in the channels this past week or two? 19:03:06 <webpigeon> I'm interested in getting involved with the infrastructure team :). 19:03:09 <nirik> webpigeon: are you more interested in sysadmin? or application devel? or both? 19:03:14 <oddshocks> pingou: Likewise. 19:03:18 <webpigeon> nirik: bit of both :) 19:03:21 <nirik> danofsatx-work: if you like... we know you tho. ;) 19:03:38 <nirik> webpigeon: great and welcome! 19:03:44 <webpigeon> Thanks :) 19:03:57 <smooge> her 19:04:06 <nirik> webpigeon: see me after the meeting in #fedora-admin and I can get you added to our apprentice group... and see #fedora-apps for application devel. 19:04:16 * danofsatx-work is a disabled veteran of the United States Navy, now a Systems Engineer performing Information Security and Network Architecture for various clients. 19:04:26 <webpigeon> nirik: thanks :) 19:04:44 <pingou> danofsatx-work: welcome :) 19:04:44 * webpigeon might have to run in a while, but will be back later 19:04:49 <nirik> danofsatx-work: cool. welcome again. 19:04:50 <pingou> webpigeon: welcome :) 19:05:15 <webpigeon> pingou: thanks :) 19:05:46 <nirik> danofsatx-work: did I get you added to the apprentice group? or did you want to be ? 19:06:14 <danofsatx-work> nirik: Yeah, you added me already. I just haven't had a chance to do much with it yet. 19:06:42 <danofsatx-work> Willo and I were supposed to be redoing the infrastructure map based on the Nagios graphics, but we haven't hooked back up yet. 19:06:44 <nirik> ok, no worries. ;) 19:06:54 <nirik> cool. 19:07:14 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:07:27 <nirik> ok, any applications news recently and upcoming? :) 19:07:38 <nirik> #info new fedocal into production today. Congrats pingou 19:07:47 <pingou> well let me debug it first :D 19:07:59 <nirik> problems? ;( 19:07:59 <pingou> but yeah, 0.4.2 is in prod :) 19:08:19 <nirik> mirek: would you have a few to discuss some copr stuff? 19:08:24 <threebean> #info new fedora-tagger in staging. should be in production by the end of the day 19:08:26 <mirek> I deployed new version of Copr on Monday, it should get rid of most of traceback (but I saved several errors and TB for future :) ) 19:08:31 <threebean> includes api enhancements for hughsie/gnome-software 19:08:39 <pingou> \ó/ 19:08:42 <pingou> mirek: cool! 19:08:51 <nirik> #info new copr version on monday. 19:09:04 <mirek> still not havving https, because even second version of certs are borged, so waiting on third delivery 19:09:33 <nirik> mirek: question: copr-be uses ansible to spin up a cloud instance, then it sends builds to it, builds and pulls them back, right? 19:09:39 <lmacken> threebean: nice! so will voting in gnome-software immediately hit tagger, trigger a fedmsg, etc? 19:10:15 <mirek> nirik: yes 19:10:43 <threebean> lmacken: yup. it already does for 'ratings' right now. the new feature adds 'usage', so you can say "I use this application", and we'll keep track of that. 19:10:51 <nirik> mirek: so, if we got a arm chassis moved over there sometime... how could we handle it? how hard would it be to modify the cloud part to use ipmitool to reinstall an arm SOC and use that for the build? 19:10:54 <threebean> lmacken: gnome-software will use that stat to help rank applications in its search. 19:10:56 <lmacken> threebean: oh wow, very nice. 19:11:16 <pingou> lmacken: no badges yet, (no auth on the gnome-software part, yet) 19:11:42 <threebean> soon, soon. 19:11:44 <mirek> the code just do: "ansible-playbook builder.yml" 19:12:06 <nirik> mirek: cool, so it should be not too hard to conditionalize the arm part to act differently if needed... 19:12:07 <mirek> it would be easy to modify it to do "ansible-playbook builder.$ARCH.yml" 19:12:28 <mirek> yes 19:12:56 <mirek> nirik: do you have some details about that part "if we got"? :) 19:13:05 <nirik> ok, great. second dumb idea: how hard would it be to add making live images? pass ks file instead of src.rpm and use livecd-creator? 19:13:56 <nirik> mirek: well, we have 4 arm chassis... we might be able to free up one for that before too long. Also, looks like we might get some new arm boxes soon... we might be able to put a pair of them or something in for copr to use. ;) 19:14:22 <mirek> nirik: somebody would have to code it. not hard, but it will take some time. week or two.. and it is not my priority 19:14:46 <smooge> I would say this is a perfect place for people who want ARM support to step in 19:14:53 <mirek> nirik: cool 19:14:56 <nirik> no problems, just wondering again... it has it's share of issues. 19:14:59 <mirek> smooge: agree 19:15:19 * nirik has no more dumb coprs ideas off hand. ;) 19:15:52 <smooge> I have one 19:15:53 <mirek> my goal is to not introduce more features (beside ability to build SCL) and make it robust and get rid of bugs 19:15:53 <nirik> abompard: if you are around, we should talk some hyperkitty. ;) 19:15:55 <smooge> rename copr to coprs 19:16:02 <nirik> smooge: :) 19:16:07 <abompard> nirik: sure 19:16:13 <mirek> and e.g. signing have much mor priority 19:16:17 * threebean always thought it was the Cool Other Package Repository System 19:16:31 <nirik> mirek: is there a todo list somewhere? 19:17:22 <nirik> abompard: so, I made mailman01/02 in production. I haven't run the playbook on them much, it bombed out somewhere ( I can't recall where... looking for the package?). I guess we need to get them all playbooked up before anything else. Should it be ok to run that playbook on them? 19:17:24 <mirek> nirik: bugzilla + plus make api call to get last time of update (only not tracked feature we need) 19:18:11 <nirik> cool 19:18:28 <mirek> nirik: so can I do something to get those ARM systems? 19:18:33 <mirek> nirik: or just wait? 19:19:21 <nirik> mirek: just wait for now. I need to talk to dgilmore when he's back online (he's traveling right now) about the existing ones, the new ones we should hear about more in coming weeks... (and they should also be able to do aarch64 ;) 19:20:01 <mirek> nirik: ok, dgilmore will be on devconf next week - so I will talk to him there 19:20:38 <nirik> mirek: sure, ping me and I can let you know what my thought was on them... 19:21:14 * pingou about to release fedocal 0.4.3 19:21:31 <nirik> #info work ongoing to add arm support to copr, but in holding for now. 19:22:23 <nirik> threebean: how's notifications looking? 19:22:45 <threebean> good, I think :) 19:22:55 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications 19:23:08 <pingou> oh we should speak about where we would like cnucnu-web 19:23:15 <pingou> I have the domain name now: release-monitoring.org 19:23:20 <threebean> it just needs testing and feedback. I anticipate there will be lots of scenarios that people want handled that it cannot manage yet 19:23:23 <nirik> so, we want to do a 'soft launch' right? ie, have just us test it out for a bit and work out bugs, then announce it later? 19:23:28 <threebean> nirik: please 19:23:40 <threebean> although, anyone in the meeting or reading the meeting notes is encouraged to try it and use it 19:23:47 <randomuser> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/notifications 19:23:48 <threebean> please file bugs with RFEs, etc. 19:23:57 * randomuser winks at threebean 19:24:02 <threebean> randomuser: ;p 19:24:06 <nirik> pingou: cool. we can stick it at osuosl I think... I can make an instance. Does it need a stg one? or just one prod instance? 19:24:19 <pingou> cnucnu still needs quite a bit of the code refactoring after having discussing it with abadger1999 , but we could already have an idea where it should go live 19:24:28 <nirik> randomuser: meetbot actually notices links without #link. ;) 19:24:58 <pingou> nirik: an stg box might make sense, even if we drop it after 19:25:15 <randomuser> nirik, cool, I didn't know that 19:25:54 <nirik> pingou: ok, let me ponder on that... all our stg is in phx2 and uses stg.fedoraproject.org... will need to look and see if we can easily point another domain there and have it work via the proxies, etc. 19:26:05 <nirik> we may need to make it somewhere else isolated. 19:26:17 <pingou> nirik: or we just make the prod box and don't announce it until it's ready 19:26:19 <nirik> the domain is owned by you? or rh? 19:26:24 <pingou> rh 19:26:29 <nirik> that works for me. 19:27:15 <nirik> I can make it, or show any interested folks how to do so. ;) 19:27:21 * mirek lost inet connection for last 5 minutes 19:27:38 <nirik> #info notifications going into more testing and feedback, will not announce yet. 19:27:41 * pingou interested 19:27:54 <pingou> nirik: but let's do that after devconf 19:27:59 <smooge> mirek, they talked about cnucnu 19:28:05 <pingou> before I won't really have the time 19:28:07 <nirik> #info cnucnu-web will get a prod instance setup and more testing, etc. 19:28:13 * willo is interested also 19:28:13 <nirik> pingou: sure, sounds fine. 19:28:40 <danofsatx-work> for the unitiated, what's cnucnu? (quick one-liner) 19:29:00 <pingou> danofsatx-work: http://209.132.184.188/cnucnu/ 19:29:00 <tflink> upstream release monitoring 19:29:05 <pingou> danofsatx-work: 1 line :) 19:29:43 <danofsatx-work> ktx ;) 19:29:50 <nirik> right, so it watches when upstreams release new versions and lets downstreams (like fedora) know. 19:29:58 <pingou> using fedmsg 19:29:59 <nirik> abompard: did you drop off? ;( 19:30:24 <abompard> nirik: was cut off somehow, I saw your message, I'll need to look at those playbooks 19:30:40 <danofsatx-work> pingou: that link isn't responding, btw - at least to me. 19:30:43 <nirik> abompard: ok, I can assist in debugging/fixing. just ping me anytime you are working on it. 19:31:01 <abompard> nirik: sure. They're in the same usual place? 19:31:04 <nirik> abompard: once those are all good, we need to figure out how to route emails, then setup test list and profit. ;) 19:31:15 <abompard> nirik: the plan looks good:-) 19:31:30 <nirik> abompard: yeah, it's the same as the mailman01.stg one, I just added mailman01.phx2/mailman02.phx to the affected hosts. 19:31:33 <pingou> danofsatx-work: hm, annoyingly for me as well 19:31:45 <willo> pingou: no response as well 19:31:56 <abompard> nirik: okay so I just run the group playbooks and the new hosts will be deployed too. Perfect. 19:32:13 <nirik> abompard: yeah, although I already did that part, so they should be up, just need the rest of the playbook. 19:32:44 <abompard> nirik: okay, I'll test that tomorrow and let you know when you get up :-) 19:33:01 <nirik> sounds great. I'd really like to get hyperkitty rolling... 19:33:02 <pingou> willo: danofsatx-work looking into it 19:33:17 <willo> pingou: no prob 19:33:33 <nirik> any other application news or plans? 19:33:49 <abompard> nirik: me too, and I'd like it setup and running before the middle of feb, cause that's when my vacations start ;-) 19:34:12 <nirik> abompard: yeah, and ideally some time while you are around to fix the issues too. ;) 19:34:12 <misc> abompard: so you can work more when the setup is done ? 19:34:49 <abompard> misc: ? 19:35:07 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:35:13 <nirik> so, on the sysadmin side... 19:35:23 <nirik> smooge is planning a trip out to our phx2 datacenter. 19:35:25 <abompard> misc: ah, gotcha 19:35:39 <nirik> smooge: feb 11th - 14th? right? 19:35:40 <smooge> I will be out feb 11-14 19:35:45 <nirik> cool. 19:35:53 <smooge> If there are problems I will be there on the 15th 19:35:59 <nirik> #info smooge in phx2 feb 11th to 14th 19:36:19 <nirik> we have a bunch of machine orders in various states of limbo... so we will see what we get before then. 19:36:48 <smooge> but my day to call it for the 15th will be no later than the 13th. If something comes up on the 14th I am calling it too late and heading home 19:37:02 <nirik> completely fair. 19:37:09 <smooge> we will be replacing the download servers in PHX2 when I am out there I think 19:37:11 <nirik> we need to come up with a todo list for you. 19:37:13 <smooge> that got approved 19:37:20 <nirik> cool. 19:37:42 <smooge> I will be doing 1 day of GNOME stuff, 1 day of PPC stuff, 1 day of inventory stuff 19:37:50 <smooge> and I think 2 days of other stuff 19:38:06 <mirek> how often sometimes do this visit to phx? 19:38:08 <smooge> using the usual 8 hours is a day and I do 16 hours at the place 19:38:09 <nirik> oh yeah, whats the current ppc status? did they ship new hw? or were waiting for you to get out there? 19:38:21 <nirik> mirek: we go 2x a year normally. 19:38:21 <smooge> I heard they were going to ship it last week 19:38:42 <nirik> cool. 19:39:41 <nirik> ok, lets see... I have the ansible daily cron job running away... it's going to sysadmin-logs like our other logs, but perhaps I will move it to just sysadmin... 19:40:05 <adimania> I have almost migrated unbound module to ansible. Some bits are left but I'll finish them over the weekend. 19:40:08 <nirik> I've been looking at it and running playbooks to sync up hosts that have changes (usually things to the base role) 19:40:26 <nirik> adimania: excellent. Thanks for working on it. 19:40:28 <adimania> Can we have a list of such modules which are suitable for beginners? 19:40:40 <nirik> I can look for some more, sure. 19:40:43 <adimania> sort of eayfix 19:40:54 <adimania> s/eayfix/easyfix 19:41:08 <nirik> yeah. some will not be too hard at all... others will be a bit more complex. 19:41:43 <adimania> right. Maybe a heuristic list will help 19:41:48 <smooge> I figure one goal will be to make the download boxes work ansible only 19:42:01 <nirik> smooge: +1, yes, they should be another pretty easy one. 19:42:25 <nirik> nfs mount, rsync, httpd, not much else really. 19:43:04 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:43:04 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:43:13 <nirik> anything upcoming anyone would like to note or schedule? 19:43:45 <pingou> I added the weekly meeting to the infrastructure calendar on fedocal 19:43:58 <nirik> thanks. ;) (I thought I did a while back?) 19:43:58 <pingou> with location fedora-meeting(a)irc.freenode.net 19:44:07 <nirik> nice 19:44:09 <pingou> nirik: you did, to the fedora-meeting calendar :) 19:44:15 <nirik> ah... I see. 19:44:27 <pingou> which I hope to get ride of now 19:44:43 <nirik> there might be an outage next thursday night... netapp storage. They haven't finalized it yet tho. 19:45:39 <nirik> pingou: there's a '#fedora-meeting' and a 'fedora-meeting(a)irc.freenode.net' locations? should there be both? 19:45:54 <pingou> nirik: the one with the '#' should go 19:45:59 <nirik> ok 19:46:39 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:46:56 <nirik> ok, any items for open floor? questions? comments? drink recipes? 19:47:11 <pingou> so to make a mojito 19:47:26 <threebean> http://www.saveur.com/article/recipes/pearmans-toddy 19:47:29 <abompard> pingou: I knew we could count on you 19:47:39 <pingou> abompard: learned it all from you ;-) 19:47:41 <danofsatx-work> two parts hydrogen + one part oxygen = life 19:48:14 <pingou> danofsatx-work: nice recipe 19:48:31 <nirik> :) 19:48:41 <willo> ran out of coke while at home recently 19:48:48 <threebean> worth mentioning -> lots of people are travelling this weekend and next for fosdem in brussels first and then devconf in brno. 19:48:55 <nirik> indeed. 19:48:59 <willo> thought, I wonder what Dr Pepper tastes like with bourbon 19:49:00 * pingou at both 19:49:10 <nirik> #info note that many fedora folks are traveling this week and next for fosdem and devconf. 19:49:11 <willo> Suprisingly nice 19:49:19 <threebean> willo: good to know ;) 19:49:19 <nirik> willo: :) 19:50:21 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute... 19:51:20 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 19:51:23 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2014-01-30)
by Kevin Fenzi 30 Jan '14

30 Jan '14

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2014-01-30) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-30/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:02) * Week in review (nirik, 18:01:24) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:05:33) Meeting ended at 18:21:16 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (29) * randomuser (11) * msocorcim (11) * CuriosTiger (6) * zodbot (3) * adamw (2) * pjones (2) * nanonyme (1) -- 18:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2014-01-30) 18:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 30 18:00:02 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:00:02 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:00:16 <nirik> hey everyone. Anyone around for a quick irc support sig meeting? 18:00:23 * randomuser is hanging around 18:01:14 <nirik> there wasn't much for an agenda today, so likely a short meeting... 18:01:24 <nirik> #topic Week in review 18:01:37 <nirik> anything to note from the previous weeks... 18:01:52 <nirik> I think things have been pretty normal. (Although I haven't had as much time to help in channel) 18:03:27 * randomuser observed nothing extraordinary 18:03:54 <nirik> common bugs have been great this cycle... kudos to adamw and others keeping them up to date. 18:04:08 <adamw> thanks 18:04:23 <adamw> reminds me, i'll do a check for updates today if i find the time 18:04:38 <randomuser> adamw, +1 18:04:42 <nirik> cool. ;) 18:05:33 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:05:37 <nirik> any items for open floor? 18:05:53 <nirik> I still plan to make some kind of proposal around nick changes, but haven't gotten to it yet. 18:07:29 <nirik> anyhow, I guess if nothing else we will call it a super short meeting and close in a few... 18:08:18 <msocorcim> hello 18:08:29 <msocorcim> I have one general sort of comment 18:09:10 <nirik> msocorcim: sure, fire away 18:09:51 <msocorcim> don't know if it's germane, but there seem to be many fedora users who are discouraged/disenchanted, insert your choice of dis-.. about gnome desktop 18:10:11 <nirik> there's also many that like it. ;) 18:10:18 <nirik> it's not up to us to tell people what they like. 18:10:38 <msocorcim> it's not really about preference, the point I'm hoping to make 18:10:54 <randomuser> msocorcim, do you have any suggestions on how #fedora can increase awareness of alternatives? 18:11:12 * nirik often sees people suggesting alternatives... 18:11:18 <msocorcim> heh, my hope is to promote awareness of gnome 18:11:55 <msocorcim> I try to use gnome, understand it and help it to improve 18:12:03 <nirik> great. 18:12:12 <randomuser> msocorcim, the general problem as I see it is that there is a class of users that feel that they are somehow not allowed to differ from the default 18:12:49 <msocorcim> more often than not in #fedora when I ask a question about gnome, there's a chorus of "I use mate, check it out" or Cinnamon, or xfce 18:12:58 <nirik> personally I think there's many choices... the problem as I see it is that some people insist on making others use their preference. 18:13:27 <nirik> right. so, IMHO, you should be able to say, sorry, I'm otherwise happy with gnome... but thanks. 18:13:36 <CuriosTiger> Like when the default install insists on Gnome? (yes, that's devil's advocate a bit) 18:13:58 <randomuser> it is rather irritating to see someone come in with a trivial question, and the answer is an unrelated "Just use cinnamon, I don't have that problem" 18:14:01 <msocorcim> well the truth is, I'm pretty dissatisfied with gnome, but I see it as worth supporting 18:14:13 <pjones> CuriosTiger: "default" is, in fact, the antithesis of "insist on" 18:14:15 <randomuser> i see no action required, because I openly criticize such advice 18:14:28 <nirik> randomuser: +1 18:15:09 <CuriosTiger> randomuser: Sometimes, an alternative piece of software can be a genuinely helpful suggestion. I'll agree that's the exception to the rule on IRC, however. 18:15:32 <randomuser> CuriosTiger, well, I'm not a bot. If the suggestion is appropriate, I won't have an issue with it 18:16:08 <nirik> I can see people suggesting alternatives, but they should stop when the user says they want to stick to that software and simply want to know how to do their goal with it. 18:16:54 <CuriosTiger> pjones: Technically, "refuses" is the antithesis of "insists on", but I didn't come here to argue semantics. My point was simply that many people wind up with Gnome not because they made a choice, but because they accepted a default, and therefore it's not necessarily a bad thing to suggest alternatives. That said, it's obviously frustrating when that advice comes at the expense of not 18:17:00 <CuriosTiger> getting help with your actual problem. 18:17:02 <CuriosTiger> nirik: Yeah, agreed 100%. 18:17:15 <randomuser> honestly, unless there's a direct question about alternative DEs, the whole preference debate does not give any support value 18:17:32 <pjones> nirik: or more to the point, it shouldn't be the response to "how do I do $foo in my DE" 18:17:54 <nirik> yep yep 18:18:05 <randomuser> the "I use $DE" refrain is very irritating, distracting, detrimental 18:18:57 <nirik> it's just a more linux case of "Oh, you can do that in microsoft word, you should switch to that" 18:19:01 <nanonyme> Additionally the suggestion to use another DE isn't really useful if the intent is to gather user information that can be investigated to find out whether the reason of $foo not being easy to do is just because of a bug 18:19:01 <randomuser> again, no action required IMO, other than "help people with good answers, and help people *give* good answers" 18:19:24 <msocorcim> nanonyme: nod 18:19:56 <nirik> I think we are all in agreement here then? 18:20:17 <CuriosTiger> I believe so. 18:20:23 <msocorcim> move to adjourn :) 18:20:32 <nirik> thanks for the topic msocorcim 18:20:40 <msocorcim> n/p 18:21:13 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 18:21:16 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Fedora Latam meeting Log / Registro de la reunion de embajadores de Fedora Latam 2014-01-29
by alejandro perez 29 Jan '14

29 Jan '14

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-29/fedora_ambassado… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-29/fedora_ambassado… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-29/fedora_ambassado…

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-01-29)
by Stephen Gallagher 29 Jan '14

29 Jan '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-01-29) =================================== Meeting started by sgallagh at 17:59:12 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-29/fesco.2014-01-29… . Meeting summary - --------------- * init process (sgallagh, 17:59:24) * #1197 Procedure for suggesting/approving different Products and/or WGs? (sgallagh, 18:04:36) * AGREED: Give this topic a week for people to come up with proposals (+5, 0, -0) (sgallagh, 18:40:24) * ACTION: sgallagh to start discussion on mailing list about Spins vs. Products. (sgallagh, 18:40:40) * #956 Need to audit packageset for bundling of libiberty (sgallagh, 18:41:01) * abadger1999 has nearly finished filing bugs. Nothing more for FESCo to do. Close ticket. (sgallagh, 18:43:17) * #1117 Generalize policy about privilege escalation and Administrator user accounts (sgallagh, 18:43:24) * The default right now is that things requiring more privilege should come to fesco to be decided. (sgallagh, 18:51:39) * AGREED: Since there is nobody with sufficient interest to generalize, and there's nothing really wrong about the current status, close the ticket == stop tracking this (+7, 0, -0) (sgallagh, 18:53:00) * #1226 Workstation PRD for approval (sgallagh, 18:53:06) * AGREED: Approve the current version of the Workstation PRD (+5, 1, -1) (sgallagh, 19:00:17) * Next week's chair (sgallagh, 19:06:49) * AGREED: skip next week's (Feb 5) meeting (+6, 1, -0) (sgallagh, 19:13:38) * abadger1999 to chair Feb 12 FESCo meeting (sgallagh, 19:14:48) * Open Floor (sgallagh, 19:14:52) Meeting ended at 19:19:33 UTC. Action Items - ------------ * sgallagh to start discussion on mailing list about Spins vs. Products. Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * sgallagh * sgallagh to start discussion on mailing list about Spins vs. Products. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * sgallagh (113) * pjones (53) * abadger1999 (52) * jwb (39) * nirik (31) * mitr (21) * notting (19) * zodbot (10) * mmaslano (8) * jreznik (1) * mattdm (0) * t8m (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLpVM4ACgkQeiVVYja6o6Np5gCfdgXqL/xQ24kInismTLkncz4O hn4An1hkqZavh4djRRAlB9b8HYVFHfyl =LjoN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Minutes from today's (1/29/2014) meeting
by Sam Kottler 29 Jan '14

29 Jan '14

Today's meeting was (very) short because most people were unavailable due to travel for FOSDEM or other things. Here are the minutes and logs: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-29/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-29/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-29/fedora-meeting… Log (text) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-29/fedora-meeting… ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:01:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-29/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (samkottler, 17:03:06) Meeting ended at 17:05:46 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samkottler (10) * zodbot (5) * number80 (1) * mattdm (0) * geppetto (0) * rbergeron (0) 17:01:03 <samkottler> #startmeeting cloud WG weekly meeting 17:01:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 29 17:01:03 2014 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:30 <samkottler> #chair mattdm number80 17:01:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm number80 samkottler 17:01:38 <samkottler> #chair geppetto 17:01:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mattdm number80 samkottler 17:01:47 <samkottler> #chair rbergeron 17:01:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:03:06 <samkottler> #topic rollcall 17:03:13 <samkottler> \o 17:03:56 <samkottler> anyone around or do we want to skip the meeting? 17:04:11 <samkottler> mattdm: geppetto number80 rbergeron ^^ 17:04:45 <number80> i'm currently boarding, right now, i'm on my seat 17:05:18 <samkottler> okay, we don't have quorum (or people) so I guess you all get your hour back :D 17:05:46 <samkottler> #endmeeting

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FAmNA meeting summary 2014-01-28
by Jon 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by masta at 02:00:32 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-29/famna.2014-01-29… . Meeting summary --------------- * === FAmNA Roll Call === (masta, 02:00:33) * === Announcements === (masta, 02:07:31) * === Tickets === (masta, 02:10:40) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (masta, 02:10:40) * Ticket #68 - FAmNA Meeting Organization (masta, 02:10:51) * === 2014 Event calendar === (masta, 02:13:55) * LINK: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mlhhr7ql7g7apnsmr9pcof24k8%40grou… (masta, 02:18:29) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar (herlo, 02:18:50) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedocal/ (herlo, 02:24:26) * === Open Floor === (masta, 02:27:41) Meeting ended at 02:43:28 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * masta (89) * herlo (39) * vwbusguy (38) * chanchito (17) * zodbot (11) * nb (2) * dramsey (1) * epico (1) * kk4ewt (0) * inode0 (0) -- -Jon

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Re: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Fedora Meeting Today #fedora-meeting-1
by Emmanuel Seyman 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

* Reminder [28/01/2014 08:30] : > > Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion de la communauté francophone, > qui aura lieu ce mardi (28 janvier) à 21h00 heure de Paris sur > IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting-1 . Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-28/fedora-fr.2014… http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-28/fedora-fr.2014… The log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-28/fedora-fr.2014… Action items: * eseyman contacter l'orga des RMLL pour demander un stand

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Meeting minutes Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-01-28)
by Marcela Mašláňová 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-01-28) Meeting started by mmaslano at 16:05:47 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary modify PRD (mmaslano, 16:08:04) commetns from ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1224 (mmaslano, 16:08:26) AGREED: New vision: "The Fedora Environment and Stacks Working Group will research and develop new or improved methods of developing, testing, packaging and deploying software for the Fedora community." (+7,-0,0) (mmaslano, 16:39:35) ACTION: bkabrda will write more about devassistant (mmaslano, 16:44:20) jdulaney aka handsome_pirate inactive (mmaslano, 17:00:51) https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2013-November/0000… (sochotni, 17:09:07) drieden is new voting member (mmaslano, 17:12:13) ACTION: mmaslano will change wiki page accordingly (mmaslano, 17:12:25) Meeting ended at 17:19:41 UTC (full logs). Action items bkabrda will write more about devassistant mmaslano will change wiki page accordingly Action items, by person bkabrda bkabrda will write more about devassistant mmaslano mmaslano will change wiki page accordingly People present (lines said) mmaslano (62) sochotni (38) samkottler (36) tjanez (27) hhorak (17) drieden (16) abadger1999 (13) pkovar (7) pingou (5) zodbot (4) bkabrda (0) juhp (0) handsome_pirate (0) Generated by MeetBot 0.1.4. 16:05:47 <mmaslano> #startmeeting Env and Stacks (2014-01-28) 16:05:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 28 16:05:47 2014 UTC. The chair is mmaslano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:05:47 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:05:52 <mmaslano> #meetingname env-and-stacks 16:05:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'env-and-stacks' 16:05:59 <mmaslano> #chair abadger1999 pkovar tjanez samkottler bkabrda handsome_pirate hhorak juhp 16:05:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 bkabrda handsome_pirate hhorak juhp mmaslano pkovar samkottler tjanez 16:06:08 * samkottler is here 16:06:17 <tjanez> Hey! 16:06:59 <hhorak> Hi guys! 16:07:14 <drieden> Hello! 16:07:45 <mmaslano> and with sochotni we are at least five 16:07:48 <mmaslano> so let's start 16:08:04 <mmaslano> #topic modify PRD 16:08:26 <mmaslano> #info commetns from ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1224 16:08:44 <tjanez> I'm glad notting and sgallagh took time to read the PRD and gave their "outside" view on it 16:09:05 <mmaslano> yeah, good to have a review 16:09:28 <tjanez> I suggest we amend Vision & Mission statement first 16:09:35 <mmaslano> okay 16:10:49 <sochotni> generally Stephen gave us a good starting point I'd say 16:11:28 <abadger1999> hola 16:11:41 <sochotni> i.e. "Fedora is the preferred ecosystem of choice for new software development to occur in any language and on any framework." 16:11:46 <tjanez> sochotni, +1 16:11:49 <sochotni> abadger1999: morning :-) 16:11:55 <mmaslano> abadger1999: hi 16:12:07 <drieden> sochotni +1 16:12:11 <drieden> abadger1999 Hello 16:12:11 <mmaslano> +1 16:12:17 <hhorak> +1 I like it 16:12:18 <tjanez> I would like to also include the words stack and environment 16:12:25 <tjanez> Something like: Fedora is the preferred ecosystem of choice for new software development to occur in any language/stack and in any framework/environment. 16:12:48 <tjanez> Just don't have an elegant way to put it in. 16:13:13 <sochotni> well the problem with that is that I think stack/env can be confusing and I believe vision should be as simple as possible 16:13:30 <sochotni> yeah, maybe a rephrasing somehow would work 16:13:48 <tjanez> Ok, how about: Fedora is the preferred ecosystem of choice for new software development to occur in any language and in any environment." 16:13:56 <hhorak> tjanez: I'd stay with as simple version as possible, even if there is not env&stacks used 16:14:22 <sochotni> hhorak: indeed, that can be mentioned in the mission statement 16:16:18 <drieden> hhorak +1 16:16:30 <mmaslano> hhorak: +1 16:16:56 <mmaslano> abadger1999: do you have any comment about improved Vision? 16:17:04 <sochotni> also I'd sneak in "deployment" somewhere :-) 16:17:08 <mmaslano> samkottler: ^ 16:17:26 <tjanez> Another thought about the environment/framework part, should we limit ourselves to open (FOSS) environments/frameworks? 16:17:27 <mmaslano> sochotni: so Vision is still work in progress 16:17:54 <samkottler> +1 16:18:03 <sochotni> mmaslano: I am working on some ideas 16:18:49 <tjanez> sochotni, +1 about deployment 16:19:05 <tjanez> samkottler, +1 to what? 16:19:07 <abadger1999> +0 about deployment. 16:19:37 <sochotni> "Fedora is the preferred platform for new software development and deployment of new technologies regardless of their implementation language or dependency requirements." 16:19:38 <sochotni> ? 16:19:56 <samkottler> tjanez: deployment 16:20:41 <abadger1999> I personally think we have much further to travel to make fedora a good platform for deployment (I feel that lifespan until EOL is a huge factor, for instance) but if someone wants to work on that I don't object. 16:21:10 <sochotni> abadger1999: doesn't necessarily mean production deployment (the way I thought about it) 16:21:26 <abadger1999> tjanez: Re: FOSS... I think atm fedora is probably FOSS-only (judging by recent board decision). Could change i nthe future. 16:21:33 <abadger1999> sochotni: k 16:22:12 <tjanez> abadger1999, yea, I followed the board discussions, so I guess FOSS is implied :-) 16:22:40 <hhorak> sochotni: I'm not so sure if people can imagine something concrete under "dependency requirements", I wouldn't probably. What about "..implementation language or application stacks"? 16:24:57 <tjanez> sochotni, I would simplify your proposal to: "Fedora is the preferred platform for new software development and its deployment in any language and/or application stack." 16:25:50 <sochotni> I am not sure "application stack" is understandable enough to most people but I might be wrong 16:26:14 <sochotni> I know it took some time to just define what *we* actually mean by that 16:27:31 <tjanez> sochotni, how about "software stack"? 16:27:52 <hhorak> tjanez: I like that and would simplify even "and/or" to just "or" 16:27:54 <sochotni> IMO though all of this doesn't belong on the meeting like this... 16:28:14 <sochotni> email is much better for these kinds of modifications/drafts 16:28:23 <sochotni> or any other non-realtime thing 16:28:42 <mmaslano> so we don't have any proposal :) 16:28:42 <sochotni> usually people need to consider/come up with alternatives 16:29:18 <mmaslano> let's speak about Vision on maling list 16:29:30 <sochotni> mmaslano: that was just a suggestion :-) 16:29:41 <mmaslano> what about Mission? Is sgallagh's version acceptable? 16:30:26 <tjanez> I would modify sgallagh's version to include the word testing: "The Fedora Environment and Stacks Working Group will research and develop new or improved methods of packaging, testing and deploying software for the Fedora community." 16:30:34 <hhorak> mmaslano: It is for me, but I'd extend "packaging and deploying" to "development, packaging and deploying" 16:30:57 <sochotni> so "developing, testing, packaging and deploying" then :-) 16:30:58 <mmaslano> hhorak: fine by me 16:31:24 <tjanez> hhorak, +1 on developing 16:31:59 <abadger1999> hhorak: +1 16:32:14 <abadger1999> +1 to both additions 16:33:18 <drieden> +1 to the both additions too. 16:34:20 <hhorak> +1 for the whole statement 16:34:31 <tjanez> #proposal "The Fedora Environment and Stacks Working Group will research and develop new or improved methods of developing, testing, packaging and deploying software for the Fedora community." 16:34:57 <mmaslano> +1 for the record 16:35:00 <tjanez> +1 16:35:22 <pkovar> +1 16:35:28 <drieden> +1 16:35:52 <abadger1999> +1 16:36:12 <hhorak> +1 ;) 16:37:39 <tjanez> samkottler, will you vote on the proposal? 16:37:50 <samkottler> +1 16:37:55 <samkottler> sorry, on a call at the same time :) 16:38:58 <mmaslano> :( 16:39:15 <tjanez> mmaslano, ? 16:39:35 <mmaslano> #agreed New vision: "The Fedora Environment and Stacks Working Group will research and develop new or improved methods of developing, testing, packaging and deploying software for the Fedora community." (+7,-0,0) 16:39:43 <mmaslano> tjanez: I'm sad for samkottler 16:39:55 * samkottler sad about being on the call, too :-( 16:40:04 <tjanez> mmaslano, ok :-) 16:40:28 <mmaslano> next comment was about too specific bug in koji 16:42:30 <tjanez> mmaslano, yes, we have some pretty specific examples in the PRD 16:43:15 <tjanez> I suggest we move them into separate wiki pages when we start creating more specific task descriptions / action items 16:43:31 <mmaslano> tjanez: +1 16:43:52 <tjanez> I guess, we needed them (the specific examples) so we understood each other when drafting the PRD 16:44:01 <mmaslano> yeah 16:44:09 * tjanez will need to leave in a minute 16:44:09 <mmaslano> so if we move to devassistant... 16:44:11 <abadger1999> tjanez: +1 16:44:20 <mmaslano> #action bkabrda will write more about devassistant 16:45:41 <samkottler> I'm not opposed to directly talking about devassistant, but what about adding more info about development tooling in general? 16:45:50 <samkottler> slightly OT, but something I've been thinking about recently 16:46:18 <mmaslano> samkottler: could be good, do you have other tools on your mind? 16:46:30 <mmaslano> samkottler: I was looking at Eclipse for some time, but they are doing great 16:46:33 <tjanez> bye guys 16:46:37 <mmaslano> bye 16:46:41 <samkottler> tjanez: cya! 16:46:47 * tjanez will read the minutes later 16:46:54 <abadger1999> bye tjanez 16:47:03 <drieden> bye tjanez 16:47:12 <hhorak> tjanez: bye 16:47:20 <samkottler> mmaslano: I don't have anything directly about specific tools, more just saying that there are lots of tools people already use 16:47:28 <samkottler> and we should help make them better at a high level 16:47:38 <samkottler> (git, vim, gdb, etc) 16:48:54 <mmaslano> sure, but we "own" devassistant upstream, but what about those other tools. Do you sugest analysis of those tools and filling bugs? 16:49:49 <samkottler> I'm just suggesting that we mention the other tools since they are already adopted 16:50:41 <mmaslano> samkottler: could you add them? 16:50:52 <samkottler> yep, doing it right now 16:51:33 <mmaslano> thanks 16:51:50 <samkottler> what do people think about something like 'The Fedora Environment and Stacks Working Group will work with the maintainers of existing tools to ensure they remain relevant to the changing application development landscape'? 16:52:09 <samkottler> existing tools should also include examples like I listed above 16:53:18 <mmaslano> samkottler: I'm not willing to promise something, what I can't do 16:53:26 <mmaslano> what others think? 16:53:42 <mmaslano> it seems to me it's huge project 16:53:50 <samkottler> mmaslano: s/ensure/help them/ 16:54:36 * abadger1999 agrees with mmaslano's sentiment 16:55:23 <samkottler> I do too, but I think it's important that we mention tools other than devassistant 16:55:39 <hhorak> mmaslano: I have the same feeling, I can't imagine we'll enough time for that. What we could do is to try tell users about new things, that are not used so much (I have systemtap probes on my mind now for instance) 16:56:21 <drieden> The "work with maintainers of existing tools to ensure" seems to huge. I would change the "work with" to "coordinate" and also the "ensure" to something which implies more of an oversight and not a commitment. 16:56:32 <mmaslano> samkottler: we mentioned devassistant because it's setting up environment. Otherwise it wouldn't fit 16:58:18 <samkottler> okay, that's fine 16:58:28 <samkottler> we can move on :) 16:59:30 <mmaslano> so it's probably everything to PRD if I didn't miss anything 17:00:51 <mmaslano> #topic jdulaney aka handsome_pirate inactive 17:01:16 <mmaslano> did someone see him? I sent him email before Christmas, but no reply 17:02:22 <samkottler> I've seen him on IRC, but has he ever been to one of our meetings? 17:02:59 <mmaslano> only on first few 17:03:00 <drieden> samkottler I recall him at some of the meetings last year. 17:03:17 <mmaslano> anyway he's not very active, so I'd rather give the vote to someone else 17:03:18 <pkovar> have not seen him. i do remember him saying he would be working on wiki pages. do we still need help with them? 17:03:29 <mmaslano> pkovar: no, I created them ;-) 17:03:34 <samkottler> mmaslano: +1 17:03:36 <pkovar> ah, thank you :-) 17:03:41 <mmaslano> pkovar: I needed space for PRD 17:03:46 <pkovar> right 17:03:51 <mmaslano> pkovar: you can fix czenglish ;-) 17:04:01 <pkovar> will have a look at them 17:04:14 <mmaslano> so I proposed drieden as program manager or sochotni as representative of Java SIG 17:05:13 <mmaslano> any opinions from the WG? :) 17:05:25 <drieden> mmaslano I am very honored to be nominated. 17:05:27 <samkottler> should we maybe have drieden and sochotni write up a little statement about what they want to work on? 17:05:38 <samkottler> or explain to us here even 17:05:38 <mmaslano> samkottler: smart :) 17:05:51 <samkottler> mmaslano: hehe I try :P 17:05:54 <mmaslano> drieden: sochotni: do you have time to do it shortly now? 17:06:02 <sochotni> phew :-) 17:06:11 <samkottler> if it's too much pressure now then maybe we can have the convo on the list? 17:06:44 <drieden> Sure. My focus is on the project management aspects of the group. 17:06:45 <sochotni> I'd just point to my original email from november mostly I guess 17:07:29 <abadger1999> sochotni I've been honored to work with via the FPC/java guideline discussions. drieden I've only known from this group but seems to be a good candidate as well. 17:08:06 <drieden> abadger1999 thanks 17:08:45 <drieden> Also, if I'm not chosen, that's okay. I don't do development work anymore, so if you are looking for someone who is still technical, I would not be helpful. 17:08:53 <mmaslano> sochotni: so please point to it :) 17:09:01 <sochotni> mmaslano: yeah, was looking... 17:09:07 <sochotni> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2013-November/0000… 17:09:18 * abadger1999 actually thought drieden was already a member as listed here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Toshio/Env_and_Stacks_Governance#Curren… 17:09:21 <sochotni> but there was something else 17:09:29 <sochotni> indeed :-) 17:09:48 <sochotni> but who am I to argue with Marcela :-D 17:09:53 <hhorak> sochotni: did you seek for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next/WG_Nominations ? 17:10:18 <sochotni> hhorak: I had a longer email somewhere.. 17:11:03 <sochotni> ah I remember...it didn't go to mailing list because there was none at the time 17:11:46 <mmaslano> Last time I tried to picked from every group someone. So I'd prefer this time Debi, as someone good in planning schedules, doable plans etc. 17:11:56 <sochotni> but generally...I prefer to be in the background doing stuff and my meeting skills are sketchy :-) 17:11:59 <mmaslano> but I'm hoping sochotni will still do the automatization he mentioned ;-) 17:12:04 <sochotni> yeah 17:12:05 <mmaslano> great ;-) 17:12:13 <mmaslano> #info drieden is new voting member 17:12:25 <mmaslano> #action mmaslano will change wiki page accordingly 17:13:07 <drieden> Thank you 17:13:07 <sochotni> I'll have pingou here in a week and hopefully we'll get some work done on review tooling 17:13:30 <sochotni> drieden: use your powers for good :-) 17:13:43 <mmaslano> #proposal Open Floor 17:13:48 <hhorak> I guess both drieden and sochotni have already proofed us they care about env & stacks ;) 17:13:57 <samkottler> drieden: welcome :D 17:14:17 <drieden> sochotni I will do my best :) 17:14:25 <sochotni> time for me to get stuff to eat :-) 17:14:35 <drieden> samkottler Thank you. 17:14:53 <hhorak> So, who from this group could I meet on Fosdem this week? 17:15:13 <pkovar> here here 17:15:24 * samkottler will be there 17:15:32 <samkottler> mmaslano: you gonna be at fosdem? 17:15:36 <mmaslano> no 17:15:42 <samkottler> mmaslano: :C 17:15:46 <mmaslano> bkabrda will be there 17:15:49 <samkottler> I'll be at devconf, too 17:15:51 <sochotni> and hhorak as well 17:15:51 <hhorak> pkovar: great, the bus will be one big party.. :-D 17:16:42 <pkovar> hhorak: i think so :-) 17:16:50 <sochotni> samkottler: there will be a lot of people @ devconf it seems 17:17:10 <samkottler> sochotni: indeed 17:17:15 * samkottler is excited for czech beer 17:17:21 <sochotni> samkottler: :-) 17:17:51 <pingou> sochotni: I see my agenda is filling up :) 17:17:53 <sochotni> samkottler: flying in on Thursday? 17:18:06 <sochotni> pingou: yup :-P 17:18:07 <pingou> hhorak: I'll be at fosdem as well 17:18:34 <samkottler> sochotni: yep, I'm flying from brussels to prague and then taking the bus 17:18:39 <hhorak> pingou: samkottler: great, I hope we'll meet in person. pingou, will you be on devconf as well? 17:18:47 <pingou> hhorak: yes 17:19:00 <hhorak> pingou: great ;) 17:19:00 <pingou> samkottler: which day? 17:19:07 <samkottler> pingou: the 6th 17:19:22 <samkottler> pingou: psh, but we've already met 17:19:23 <mmaslano> I'll close the meeting and you can continue ;-) 17:19:30 <hhorak> mmaslano: sure ;) 17:19:34 * mmaslano envy Brusel 17:19:36 <pingou> samkottler: same day Ralph and I arrive 17:19:41 <mmaslano> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today Fedora Server working group meeting (2014-01-28)
by Kevin Fenzi 28 Jan '14

28 Jan '14

=================================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2014-01-28) =================================================================== Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-01-28/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (nirik, 16:00:03) * no quorum, please continue lists and #fedora-server discussions on implementation. (nirik, 16:08:50) Meeting ended at 16:08:58 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (14) * zodbot (5) * adamw (2) * davidstrauss (2) * mitr (1) * Evolution (0) * tuanta (0) * sgallagh (0) * simo (0) * mizmo (0) -- 16:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2014-01-28) 16:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 28 16:00:02 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:03 <nirik> #chair sgallagh mizmo nirik davidstrauss Evolution adamw simo tuanta mitr 16:00:03 <nirik> #topic roll call 16:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution adamw davidstrauss mitr mizmo nirik sgallagh simo tuanta 16:00:09 <nirik> who all is around today? 16:00:14 <mitr> Hello all 16:00:19 * nirik knows several folks aren't so we may not have quorum. 16:01:00 <davidstrauss> hi 16:01:08 <davidstrauss> .hellomynameis davidstrauss 16:01:11 <zodbot> davidstrauss: davidstrauss 'David Strauss' <david(a)davidstrauss.net> 16:01:21 <nirik> .hellomynameis kevin 16:01:22 <zodbot> nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' <kevin(a)scrye.com> 16:02:24 <nirik> thats 3... 16:04:04 <nirik> so, I guess we wait a few more and see if folks show up? or just take discussion to list? 16:06:14 <adamw> sorry, here 16:06:22 <adamw> but distracted by anaconda wording bikeshedding :) 16:06:40 <nirik> it's green! 16:06:49 <nirik> still only 4, so no quorum yet. 16:07:47 <nirik> so, I guess everyone go pick holes in my straw man post... and continue in #fedora-server then... 16:08:26 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone... 16:08:50 <nirik> #info no quorum, please continue lists and #fedora-server discussions on implementation. 16:08:58 <nirik> #endmeeting

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2014-01-27 - Fedora QA Meeting - minutes
by Adam Williamson 27 Jan '14

27 Jan '14

================================== #fedora-meeting: Fedora QA meeting ================================== Meeting started by adamw at 16:02:45 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-01-27/fedora-qa.2014-0… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (adamw, 16:02:55) * Previous meeting follow-up (adamw, 16:05:55) * "adamw to post a summary of our position on EOL to the FESCo ticket" - I did that, see https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1198#comment:42 (adamw, 16:06:44) * "adamw to post a mail to test@ highlighting things we can be working on during the 'quiet time'" - did that too, see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2014-January/120167.html , thanks to viking for adding another suggestion (adamw, 16:07:57) * Viking-Ice and roshi have started working on the QA community role which merges bugtriaging and testing process QA community member (adamw, 16:09:41) * SELinux update discussion (adamw, 16:13:30) * brunowolff notes 'make selinux updates spend longer in testing' is a commonly suggested short term approach (adamw, 16:22:34) * cmurf suggests per-package defaults for update release criteria (adamw, 16:22:44) * kparal suggests re-evaluating autopush and a minimum updates-testing time for certain updates (adamw, 16:23:13) * pingou suggests disallowing push to stable until update has made it to -testing (adamw, 16:25:18) * AGREED: while there are various little tweaks that could be considered to the update policy and process as a 'response' to this, we don't think any of them obviously solves the problem without causing other problems, and we trust the selinux maintainers to configure their updates more conservatively in future (adamw, 16:40:31) * Unmaintained package discussion (adamw, 16:40:40) * ACTION: viking-ice to look at a possible process for flagging bitrotten packages as part of the larger triage process proposal (adamw, 16:59:59) * open floor (adamw, 17:01:08) Meeting ended at 17:02:48 UTC. Action Items ------------ * viking-ice to look at a possible process for flagging bitrotten packages as part of the larger triage process proposal Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * viking-ice to look at a possible process for flagging bitrotten packages as part of the larger triage process proposal People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * adamw (79) * Viking-Ice (50) * cmurf (48) * nirik (25) * kparal (16) * brunowolff (14) * pingou (7) * misc (5) * roshi (5) * zodbot (4) * garretraziel (2) * tflink (2) * pschindl (2) * mkrizek (1) * haraldh (1) * pwhalen (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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