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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-07-31)
by Kevin Fenzi 31 Jul '14

31 Jul '14

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-07-31) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-31/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * aloha (nirik, 18:00:02) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:01:23) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:09:05) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2014-July/018167.html for more info (pingou, 18:10:32) * pkgdb new package new branch workflow setup in pkgdb (nirik, 18:11:04) * LINK: http://209.132.184.222/progit :) (pingou, 18:11:34) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:15:31) * nagios/alerts recap (nirik, 18:20:24) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:25:13) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 18:25:13) * LINK: http://flocktofedora.org/ (nirik, 18:27:05) * flock next week. (nirik, 18:29:58) * alpha freeze 2014-08-12 (nirik, 18:30:06) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:30:14) Meeting ended at 18:39:49 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (85) * pingou (36) * ryayon (14) * mpduty (7) * ootbro (6) * zodbot (5) * lanica (4) * oddshocks_ (4) * smooge (4) * ramesh (3) * relrod (2) * sart (2) * bochecha (1) * janeznemanic (1) * puiterwijk (1) * abadger1999 (1) * lmacken (1) * oddshocks1 (1) * webpigeon (1) * hammad_ (1) * threebean (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 18:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-07-31) 18:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 31 18:00:02 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:02 <nirik> #topic aloha 18:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 18:00:09 * lmacken 18:00:12 * pingou 18:00:13 * puiterwijk is here 18:00:24 * relrod 18:00:24 <janeznemanic> hi 18:00:31 <ootbro> I'm here 18:00:33 * lanica is here for the infra meeting. 18:00:37 <webpigeon> o/ 18:00:43 <sart> here 18:00:48 <nirik> welcome everyone. 18:01:23 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 18:01:30 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves? 18:01:32 * bochecha is here 18:01:39 <nirik> or apprentices with questions/comments/ideas? 18:01:54 <mpduty> is here 18:02:06 <ramesh> Hello 18:02:46 <ootbro> From the Apprentice realm..... I posted a draft of the infrastructure diagram at http://www.jt-sw.com/docs/index.nsf/docs/fpo-diag and sent notice to the infra list. nirik is the only one I've heard direclty from so far. 18:03:06 <nirik> :) yeah, do look and provide feedback everyone. 18:03:20 <ramesh> I am working as a DevOps Engineer, I have experience working on orchestration and configuration management using Ansible and Puppet. 18:03:29 * hammad_ is here 18:03:49 <ootbro> I don't mind making changes based on feedback, so definitely let me know if something needs to be adjusted. 18:03:53 <nirik> ramesh: welcome. See me after the meeting in #fedora-admin and I can point you at information to get started. ;) 18:04:08 <ramesh> sure, thanks 18:04:24 <smooge> here (few minutes late) 18:04:26 * abadger1999 here 18:04:36 <ryayon> HiHi 18:04:51 <mpduty> I tried to connect to fedora project machines but bastion.fedoraproject.org is the maximum that I could manage 18:04:53 <ootbro> next on my list is a diagram showing how the proxy services work with a list of services and (very short) descriptions of them. 18:05:20 <nirik> mpduty: ok, see folks in #fedora-admin and we can get it sorted out for you. :) 18:05:36 <mpduty> nirik, yes 18:06:14 <nirik> ryayon: welcome. Care to give a short intro of yourself? are you interested in helping out with sysadmin or more programming tasks? 18:06:17 <sart> I'm a bit hazy on the same topic as mpduty, I'll join in #fedora-admin after the meeting as well to refresh my memory. 18:07:23 <ryayon> Hi all 18:07:31 <nirik> sure. the ssh access sop has the info, but it's a bit confusing at times... 18:07:32 <ryayon> I am a sysadmin for 7/8 now 18:07:48 <ryayon> I don't know yet how I can help you 18:08:07 <ryayon> then I plan to start with resolving some tickets I have been provided 18:08:45 <nirik> ok. Welcome. And do feel free to ask questions as you go. ;) 18:08:50 <ryayon> and I am happy to join your community as a long RHEL likes user since the beginning 18:08:55 <ryayon> thanks 18:09:05 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:09:13 <nirik> any applications news this week or upcoming? 18:09:35 <pingou> I worked mostly on progit this week 18:09:55 <pingou> as well as unit-tests for anitya 18:10:18 <pingou> and the admin actions for pkgdb2, the idea being to move the new package/new branch workflow off bugzilla into pkgdb 18:10:29 <nirik> pingou: so progit is perhaps someday a trac replacement? 18:10:32 <pingou> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2014-July/018167.html for more info 18:10:50 <pingou> nirik: if we want to get it to this point, yes :) 18:11:04 <nirik> #info pkgdb new package new branch workflow setup in pkgdb 18:11:22 <nirik> pingou: it does tickets/bugs? or would use something like bugspad for that? 18:11:23 <pingou> I just made my slides for the talk at flock about it, so I want to keep some suspens there ;-) 18:11:29 <nirik> ok, fair enough. 18:11:34 <pingou> http://209.132.184.222/progit :) 18:12:06 <pingou> nirik: it does *basic* tickets 18:12:25 <pingou> as well as doc (via git, so rst/markdown/html) 18:12:36 * nirik prefers trac over github issues (which are way too basic IMHO) 18:12:48 * oddshocks1 appears 18:12:53 <nirik> anyhow, just wondering. 18:12:56 <pingou> I'm happy to make the issues a little more complete 18:13:02 * oddshocks_ 's bouncer is down 18:13:04 * oddshocks_ is here 18:13:08 * oddshocks_ on internal irc 18:13:13 <pingou> but it's kinda fine-tuning once the logic is there 18:13:17 <nirik> pingou: I wonder if plugging bugspad in there might be worth looking at? 18:13:22 <pingou> oddshocks_: nope, here you're on freenode ;) 18:13:24 <nirik> welcome oddshocks_ 18:13:40 <pingou> nirik: could very well be, but then it's 2 apps to maintain vs 1 18:13:48 <nirik> true. 18:13:52 <nirik> just an idea. 18:13:59 <pingou> might be cool :) 18:14:17 <pingou> tickets can anyway be de-activated per project 18:14:36 <pingou> so a project could decide to use bugspad for its tickets easily 18:14:37 <nirik> most of our hosted projects are heavy ticket users... and git... 18:14:45 <nirik> ok 18:14:54 <pingou> (we'll just need to right a git hook for that, somehow) 18:14:59 <oddshocks_> pingou: er, man, you're right. i _am_ in internal, too ;) 18:15:02 <nirik> anything else application wise? It's been a pretty quiet week. 18:15:31 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 18:15:40 <nirik> Also been somewhat quiet on the sysadmin side. 18:15:51 <nirik> smooge and I are recovering from spending all last week at our datacenter. 18:16:20 <pingou> I added the packager_alias role for the cron and script setting up the <pkg>-owner(a)fp.o aliases, but it's not used anywhere atm 18:16:28 <pingou> nirik: how did that go? 18:16:30 <nirik> We discovered a stupid mistake I made in the base ansible role the other night... I didn't enable iptables service. ;( 18:16:43 <pingou> oupsy :) 18:16:59 <smooge> could have been worse 18:17:02 <nirik> pingou: can we enable it in puppet for now? I'd love to announce the teams stuff for pkgdb at flock. 18:17:19 <smooge> you backed out the setting of root password to letmein1 18:17:29 <nirik> heh. ;) 18:17:36 <pingou> nirik: it's already enabled (and in puppet) 18:17:56 <nirik> oh, cool. 18:17:57 <pingou> smooge: so it's not toor anymore? 18:18:13 <pingou> nirik: I imported it from puppet to ansible when I made the module ;-) 18:18:33 <smooge> and I was wrong to meet our password rules it was 'Password1234' 18:18:42 <nirik> I've been tweaking small things this week and trying to make it so nagios doesn't bother us in the upcoming week too much. 18:18:42 <pingou> nirik: I was thinking to wait for after flock to call for testers, but I guess we can do it during flock (which is even nicer) :) 18:19:03 <nirik> pingou: Yeah, it would be nice. :) 18:19:10 <pingou> we got a deal :) 18:19:17 <nirik> lets see... what else. 18:19:44 <nirik> I re-added the pager app in ansible (we dropped it when we moved to ansible there). 18:19:53 <nirik> Hopefully no one needs it, but it's there if they do 18:20:24 <nirik> #topic nagios/alerts recap 18:21:04 <nirik> humf. 18:21:14 <nirik> mod_auth_openid messes with my url. 18:21:19 <relrod> :( 18:21:38 <nirik> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?alerttypes=3&di… 18:21:39 <zodbot> nirik: http://tinyurl.com/ms5u5qm 18:21:42 <lanica> Was the pager app tested after fixing it? :) 18:22:00 <nirik> lanica: nope, I was adding it in an evening and didn't want to bother people. 18:22:06 <nirik> we can test it tho 18:22:34 <nirik> so, on nagios, the usual telia stuff (still working to move that off that site) 18:22:57 <nirik> and we have seen some periods of packet loss/network problems that are beyond our control. 18:23:14 <lanica> Test self? ;) 18:24:00 <nirik> lanica: it pages the person you pick, but it also mails everyone in sysadmin-main... so I want to be sure it's at a time it won't bother everyone else. 18:24:39 <lanica> Ahh 18:24:57 <pingou> then I think now is a good time, Europe isn't asleep, US are awake (and I don't think we have anyone in APAC in -main) 18:25:02 <nirik> we can probibly test after the meeting 18:25:05 <nirik> yeah 18:25:13 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:25:13 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 18:25:23 <nirik> so, big upcoming item: flock is next week. 18:25:41 <nirik> lots of us are going to be traveling to/from and be offline at talks, etc. 18:25:59 <nirik> so, please be very carefull with any changes that can cause outages right now. 18:26:15 <nirik> and if folks find problems or issues and no one is around, do ask them to file tickets. 18:26:16 <pingou> aren't ew in freeze? 18:26:18 <pingou> should we? 18:26:25 <nirik> we aren't. 18:26:44 <nirik> but with everyone traveling we kinda are in a practical sense. ;) 18:26:50 <ryayon> What is Flock? 18:26:54 <pingou> true there :) 18:27:05 <nirik> http://flocktofedora.org/ 18:27:11 <nirik> our yearly conference. ;) 18:27:41 <ryayon> OK 18:27:48 <nirik> this time it's in Prague. ;) 18:28:36 <nirik> I'll note we have #fedora-flock channel for the conference. General talk, info and feedback from folks that can't make it is all welcome there. 18:29:21 <nirik> Our new alpha freeze date is 2014-08-12. 18:29:38 <nirik> so, we will have just a little time after flock if there's things we want to do before freeze. 18:29:58 <nirik> #info flock next week. 18:30:06 <nirik> #info alpha freeze 2014-08-12 18:30:14 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:30:22 * pingou will be afk from the end of flock until 2014-08-16 18:30:24 <nirik> Any items for open floor? general questions, comments, ideas? 18:30:42 <nirik> pingou: ok. You will come back to a nice freeze. ;) 18:30:47 <pingou> \ó/ 18:31:24 <mpduty> could we elaborate how to connect to fedora project machines a little bit more on the wiki 18:31:46 <mpduty> for apprentice people :) 18:31:48 <nirik> mpduty: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/sshaccess.txt should have the info 18:31:57 <nirik> but very open to ideas on how to make it more clear, etc. 18:32:41 <ootbro> nirik: a once-over look at the layout of the Getting Started wiki page might help -- list everything needed on there to smooth it out 18:32:58 <nirik> yeah 18:33:32 <nirik> I can try and do that. 18:34:30 <ryayon> nirik: maybe I can help 18:35:06 <nirik> sure. 18:35:26 <nirik> that is a wiki page, so edits welcome from anyone. 18:35:34 <mpduty> after doing the config file it took me a while to understand that I had to use 'ssh bastion.fedoraproject.org' to connect, maybe it is obvious but I really missed it 18:35:43 <ryayon> We already have authorizations? 18:36:00 <nirik> mpduty: good point, we should make a note about that in there. 18:36:18 <nirik> ryayon: for the wiki yeah, any person with a fedora account can edit (most) wiki pages. 18:36:47 <ryayon> OK, then I will work on it and let you know about that 18:36:57 <nirik> ok. 18:37:07 <ootbro> ryayon: When I was getting started a couple months ago, it took some troubleshooting to figure out what was missing in my config. I might still have my notes from back then 18:37:13 <pingou> nirik: we don't use ssh bastion, we wouldn't be able to go elsewhere 18:37:14 <ryayon> mpduty: I will notify you once the page is done so you can check it 18:37:26 <mpduty> ryayon, sure 18:37:44 <ryayon> good 18:38:01 <nirik> pingou: depends. I have my setup to assume fedoraproject.org and only add exceptions for my few home machines. ;) 18:38:48 <pingou> ah you mean ssh <hosts>.phx2.fedoraproject.org 18:39:08 <pingou> yeah I am in that case :) 18:39:19 <nirik> right. most people probibly aren't. 18:39:39 <nirik> anyhow, lets continue over in #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps and #fedora-noc. 18:39:43 <pingou> sure 18:39:45 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone! 18:39:49 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2014-07-31)
by Kevin Fenzi 31 Jul '14

31 Jul '14

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2014-07-31) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-31/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:04) * Week in review (nirik, 17:02:01) * ticket #168 EvilBob recurring hostility - specifically in this case a mental health personal attack (nirik, 17:04:37) * ticket #169 Unfriendly attitude from channel users (nirik, 17:06:18) * ticket #170 irc channel makes you join another channel when not registered (nirik, 17:12:53) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:16:24) Meeting ended at 17:20:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (42) * EvilBob (11) * che (8) * zodbot (3) * N3LRX (2) * che_ (1) * Southern_Gentlem (1) -- 17:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2014-07-31) 17:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 31 17:00:04 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:04 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:26 * N3LRX 17:00:28 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting? 17:00:30 * Southern_Gentlem 17:01:00 * che_ 17:01:22 <nirik> hey che. Long time no see. ;) 17:01:38 <che> nirik, yeah. i am around from time to time but really busy mostly. 17:01:52 <nirik> yeah, seems to be the case with most everyone these days. ;) 17:02:01 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:02:25 <nirik> Anyone have common bugs/issues or other items they have been seeing lately in channel? 17:02:57 <nirik> again it's been pretty typical I think... 17:03:15 <nirik> a bit quiet since f20 is so old now. ;) 17:04:28 <nirik> alright then, on to tickets I guess... 17:04:37 <nirik> #topic ticket #168 EvilBob recurring hostility - specifically in this case a mental health personal attack 17:04:37 <nirik> .link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/168 17:04:46 <nirik> this is related to the next one too... 17:05:31 <nirik> personally, I would say we ask EvilBob to try and be more polite and just close the ticket. 17:05:36 <EvilBob> Again, I do not feel it is appropriate to feed and enable users untreated paranoia 17:05:57 <che> nirik, +1 ;) 17:06:06 <nirik> EvilBob: sure. I think perhaps it would have been better all around if we had quieted the user sooner. 17:06:18 <nirik> #topic ticket #169 Unfriendly attitude from channel users 17:06:19 <nirik> .link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/169 17:06:19 <nirik> 17:06:25 <nirik> (this is the other related ticket) 17:06:45 <che> EvilBob, no offense... i think i know the feeling if you sepnt too much time on irc. the trick is to sometimes not answer instead of beeing rude ;) 17:07:55 <EvilBob> che: I was not rude 17:08:19 <EvilBob> che: I simply suggested that they seek professional help from the medical community 17:08:21 <che> EvilBob, well the mental health facility one is not friendly either. ;) 17:08:41 <che> EvilBob, 99.9% of humanity needs that. 17:08:58 <nirik> IMHO, telling people that (even if it's completely true and would help them) doesn't get them to seek such help 17:09:52 <EvilBob> I will take your opinions under consideration in the future 17:10:08 <nirik> I think we need to use quiet more quickly for folks who are offtopic so it doesn't escalate... 17:10:15 <nirik> thanks EvilBob 17:10:44 * nirik notes it was none of the people this person found unfriendly who quieted them. :) 17:11:07 <che> nirik, probably because most people dont even get that they are muted :D 17:11:11 <nirik> anyhow, anything else on these two? 17:11:15 <nirik> che: well, it tells them... 17:11:21 <nirik> but I agree some people don't read. 17:11:28 <che> nirik, ... exactly. 17:11:37 <nirik> we see that every single day in fedora-unregistered. 17:12:53 <nirik> #topic ticket #170 irc channel makes you join another channel when not registered 17:12:53 <nirik> .link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/170 17:13:09 <nirik> I added my thoughts to the ticket. While well meaning, the suggestion won't work, IMHO. 17:13:25 <EvilBob> We have discussed this numerous times 17:13:33 <nirik> yeah. 17:13:57 <EvilBob> If nothing else it cuts down the noise from people having connection issues that part/join flood 17:14:33 <N3LRX> and the spam bots with random nicks 17:14:45 <EvilBob> yup 17:14:55 <che> enough reason from my pov to keep it. 17:14:59 <nirik> If freenode added a way to customize the 'cannot send to channel' message, I might be up for trying it. Until then, no. 17:15:09 <EvilBob> +1 17:16:20 <nirik> alright. Sounds like we are all pretty much agreeing that we can't follow the suggestion as is. ;) 17:16:24 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:16:31 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor? 17:16:37 <nirik> comments, suggestions, ideas? 17:17:22 <EvilBob> I've not been around much, just busy with life and most recently sick. 17:17:40 <nirik> cool... and not cool. ;) 17:18:28 <EvilBob> Bronchitis... hate it. Have not had this crap since I quit smoking pot 27 years ago. 17:18:43 <nirik> icky. well, get well soon. 17:19:02 <EvilBob> Yeah pumping in meds and fluids 17:19:44 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will end the meeting in a minute... 17:20:27 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. 17:20:31 <nirik> #endmeeting

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[Ambassadors] LATAM regional meeting minutes (2014-07-30)
by Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado 30 Jul '14

30 Jul '14

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-30/ambassadors_lata… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-30/ambassadors_lata… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-30/ambassadors_lata…

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-07-30)
by Kevin Fenzi 30 Jul '14

30 Jul '14

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-07-30) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 17:01:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-30/fesco.2014-07-30… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:01:29) * no meeting next week, see 'meet your fesco' at flock. (nirik, 17:07:47) * #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze (nirik, 17:10:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 (nirik, 17:10:57) * #1326 change to fesco replacement process? (nirik, 17:12:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 (nirik, 17:12:41) * LINK: http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1 (nirik, 17:14:31) * will defer this until after flock. (nirik, 17:18:04) * #1327 Process whenisgood results (nirik, 17:18:10) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 (nirik, 17:18:11) * AGREED: keep current time (+5,0,0) (nirik, 17:27:59) * Week after next's chair (nirik, 17:28:23) * mitr to chair aug 13th meeting (nirik, 17:31:22) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:31:25) Meeting ended at 17:39:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (66) * sgallagh (25) * mattdm (22) * mitr (19) * zodbot (8) * jwb (8) * abadger1999 (1) * mmaslano (0) * t8m (0) * kalev (0) * thozza (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 17:01:29 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2014-07-30) 17:01:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 30 17:01:29 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:29 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 17:01:29 <nirik> #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza 17:01:29 <nirik> #topic init process 17:01:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:01:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza 17:01:58 <sgallagh> .hellomynameis sgallagh 17:01:59 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> 17:02:10 <mitr> Hello 17:03:13 <nirik> ok, thats 3. :) We may not have quorum today 17:04:06 <mattdm> i'm here.. sorry 17:04:16 <mattdm> that doesn't quite make quorum though :) 17:04:26 <mattdm> plus I have to leave in 40 minutes. 17:05:19 <nirik> alright. 17:05:54 <nirik> I assume we will not be meeting next week as thats flock time. 17:06:15 <sgallagh> Is all of FESCo going to be on-site? 17:07:11 <nirik> not sure. 17:07:19 <nirik> possibly 17:07:47 <nirik> #info no meeting next week, see 'meet your fesco' at flock. 17:08:58 * mattdm nods 17:09:58 <nirik> ok, I guess no quorum... 17:10:17 <nirik> continue in tickets and at flock and we will meet the week after. 17:10:28 <jwb> here, sorry 17:10:38 <nirik> oh hey. :) 17:10:50 <nirik> thats quorum then for now. ;) 17:10:57 <nirik> #topic #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze 17:10:57 <nirik> .fesco 1322 17:10:57 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 17:10:59 <zodbot> nirik: #1322 (F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 17:11:18 <nirik> any changes of concern? 17:11:35 <nirik> Hopefully they will use the extra time... 17:11:42 <jwb> at the moment, no 17:12:03 <mattdm> yes, the extra time really helps for atomic in particular 17:12:11 <mattdm> and sgallagh was mentioning also for the server api 17:12:17 * nirik nods 17:12:41 <nirik> #topic #1326 change to fesco replacement process? 17:12:41 <nirik> .fesco 1326 17:12:41 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 17:12:43 <zodbot> nirik: #1326 (change to fesco replacement process?) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 17:12:44 <sgallagh> Yeah, we're a little behind schedule, but I think the slip has us covered 17:13:00 <sgallagh> Motion: discuss this at Meet Your FESCo, live. 17:13:01 <nirik> so there's been a lot of discussion on ticket. 17:13:37 <nirik> Also, it may be very on topic in the governance workshop 17:13:49 <sgallagh> That too 17:13:55 <sgallagh> cwickert is running the latter one, right? 17:13:57 <mattdm> yes, absolutely. 17:14:01 <mitr> sgallagh: live, yes; taking time from audience questions in that session, I’d rather not 17:14:03 <mattdm> and abadger1999 17:14:31 <nirik> http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1 17:14:58 <abadger1999> number80 and I ... is cwickert involved in the same one or a parallel session? 17:15:10 * sgallagh looks 17:15:36 <sgallagh> I think I had that confused with the "Fate of Spins" session 17:16:46 <nirik> Anyhow, I don't know that we have reached a conclusion in this ticket, so I would be happy to defer it until after flock and see what we can work out there. 17:16:59 <sgallagh> +1 17:17:02 <jwb> sure 17:17:20 <nirik> any objections? 17:17:30 <mitr> nirik: +1 to deferring 17:18:04 <nirik> #info will defer this until after flock. 17:18:10 <nirik> #topic #1327 Process whenisgood results 17:18:10 <nirik> .fesco 1327 17:18:11 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 17:18:12 <zodbot> nirik: #1327 (Process whenisgood results) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 17:18:30 <nirik> and the survey says: 17:18:34 <nirik> no time is good for everyone. ;) 17:18:50 <sgallagh> The current time appears closest 17:19:18 <mitr> The current time is actually attended by the person who says he can’t do it :) 17:19:50 <mattdm> mitr I noticed that too. 17:20:13 <nirik> ok then... sounds like we just keep this time then? or ask everyone to update as much as they can? 17:20:15 <jwb> who was that? 17:20:19 <sgallagh> jwb: t8m 17:20:20 <mattdm> jwb: t8m 17:20:25 <mattdm> jinx 17:20:39 * sgallagh hands over a Pepsi 17:21:24 <mattdm> (It'd be nice if the whenisgood app allowed "inconvenient but i can do it" and "best time" votes. 17:21:30 <nirik> yeah. 17:23:07 <sgallagh> mattdm: GSoC project for next summer: Better WhenIsGood 17:23:12 <mattdm> heh. 17:23:17 * sgallagh wasn't kidding 17:23:27 <nirik> actually there is a open source nicer one. 17:23:34 <nirik> but then we would have to run it. 17:23:37 <jwb> hi weeds! 17:23:41 <sgallagh> nirik: OpenShift? 17:23:41 <nirik> :) 17:23:48 <mattdm> jwb yeah. moving on? :) 17:23:57 <nirik> proposal: keep current time 17:24:03 <jwb> sure 17:24:05 <sgallagh> nirik: Point me at it, I'll host it on the fedoraserver openshift account 17:24:10 <mitr> Since we have basically 2 options, 17:24:13 <mitr> proposal: keep current time; if t8m and kalev negotiate that the Tuesday one would be better, they can ask for a change. 17:24:13 <mattdm> can someone ask t8m if the current time really doesn't work due to a schedule change? 17:24:23 <mattdm> mitr +1 17:24:29 <nirik> sgallagh: can't find it now, but will let you know if I do 17:24:34 <mitr> nirik: +1 17:24:37 <sgallagh> nirik: Seems like the best choice. Either this or Tuesday at the same time and lose Kalev 17:25:41 <mitr> mattdm: t8m will be at Flock 17:25:42 * nirik is ok with mitr s too 17:25:59 <mitr> They are equivalent anyway :) 17:26:18 <mattdm> mitr true :) 17:26:32 <sgallagh> mitr: +1 17:27:59 <nirik> #agreed keep current time (+5,0,0) 17:28:06 <nirik> (assuming jwb's sure was a +1) 17:28:11 <jwb> yes, sorry 17:28:23 <nirik> #topic Week after next's chair 17:28:32 <nirik> who wants the next chair? 17:28:48 <mattdm> this is for the week _after_ next, right? 17:29:13 <mattdm> I will be travelling back from post-flock meetings in brno 17:29:18 <nirik> right 17:29:28 <nirik> the 13th 17:29:38 <sgallagh> Same, I will be in transit that day 17:31:02 <nirik> I'll be back, but I was chair today. ;) 17:31:06 <nirik> I guess I can next time too. 17:31:08 <mitr> *shrug* I can do it 17:31:14 <nirik> cool. thanks mitr 17:31:22 <nirik> #info mitr to chair aug 13th meeting 17:31:25 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:31:30 <nirik> any items for open floor? 17:32:23 <mitr> There was a request to discuss https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1118907 17:33:18 <jwb> i read that over, but i would need more time to decide anything there 17:33:21 <nirik> yeah, I glanced at it but haven't had time to look into it much 17:33:43 <mattdm> I'm tentatively +1 to colin's approach but would like to hear if there's a practical reason to enable it now 17:33:45 <sgallagh> My impression is that this is way too invasive to land during what should already be Alpha 17:33:47 <mitr> Similar here 17:34:35 <mitr> A lets-not-think-about-this fallback is saying that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:UsersAndGroups still applies and systemd should comply, and the new mechanism should go through FPC for F22 (which it should anyway) 17:35:06 <nirik> lets defer? I see sgallagh asked walters to file a fesco ticket on it too. 17:35:27 <mattdm> +1 wait. 17:35:27 <mitr> but the right thing to do is to file a ticket, discuss more, and defer -- unless this were time-sensitive 17:35:38 * nirik nods. 17:35:52 <sgallagh> It's probably time-sensitive 17:36:03 <sgallagh> It sounds like the systemd guys enabled this in F21 and it's breaking things 17:36:14 <sgallagh> We likely don't want to fix the breakage this close to Alpha 17:36:40 * mattdm has to go. see you all in cz! 17:36:43 <mitr> The next FESCo meeting is 1 day after the Alpha deadline; we _could_ handle this in a ticket but I wouldn’t bet on it. 17:37:00 * nirik looks at the bug again. 17:37:05 <nirik> safe travels mattdm 17:37:22 <mitr> sgallagh: OTOH systemd is the only user, so the fallout is Alpha testing one component being done slightly differently, which is perhaps not that much of a deal. 17:37:57 <mitr> sgallagh: And, it _has_ broken things but wasn't that already fixed? 17:38:11 <mitr> Anyway, without mattdm we are out of quorum so deferring by default. 17:38:11 <nirik> I guess it's implied that it broke atomic? 17:38:18 <nirik> (since walters was trying to disable it) 17:38:28 <nirik> should ask for more info. yeah. 17:38:41 <nirik> ok, any other items before we close out? 17:38:57 <sgallagh> I generally vote to stay conservative this late in a cycle. 17:39:09 <sgallagh> We're under quorum, so no :) 17:39:11 <mitr> I’ll just go ahead and file the ticket 17:39:16 <nirik> aalright. 17:39:33 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. See (many/most/all) of you at flock next week! 17:39:36 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Re: Weekly GlusterFS Community Meeting in 27 minutes
by Justin Clift 30 Jul '14

30 Jul '14

On 30/07/2014, at 3:33 PM, Justin Clift wrote: > Reminder!!! > > The weekly Gluster Community meeting is in 27 mins, in > #gluster-meeting on IRC. > > This is a completely public meeting, everyone is encouraged > to attend and be a part of it. :) This was a very short meeting today (22 mins). Meeting minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/2014-07-30/gluster-meeting… Full meeting log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/2014-07-30/gluster-meeting… Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift -- GlusterFS - http://www.gluster.org An open source, distributed file system scaling to several petabytes, and handling thousands of clients. My personal twitter: twitter.com/realjustinclift

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Fedora Infrastructure / Atomic sync 29 July 2014
by Joe Brockmeier 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

=============== #atomic Meeting =============== Meeting started by jzb at 20:02:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/atomic/2014-07-29/atomic.2014-07-29-20.02.… . Meeting summary --------------- * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/atomic/2014-07-21/atomic.2014-07-21-15.03.… (dustymabe, 20:28:32) Meeting ended at 20:32:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * walters (33) * jzb (27) * stickster (13) * nirik (9) * dustymabe (6) * zodbot (4) * rangerpb (3) * agrimm (3) * jbrooks (3) * mattdm (1) * rbergeron (1) * dgilmore (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Server WG Meeting Minutes (2014-07-29)
by Stephen Gallagher 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =================================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2014-07-29) =================================================================== Meeting started by sgallagh at 15:00:51 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-07-29/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary - --------------- * roll call (sgallagh, 15:00:51) * adamw and tuanta will not be in attendance today (sgallagh, 15:04:00) * Quorum not met (sgallagh, 15:10:40) * Status of Fedora Websites and branding (sgallagh, 15:10:55) * LINK: http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease (sgallagh, 15:18:15) * mizmo is great (sgallagh, 15:21:04) Meeting ended at 15:23:18 UTC. Action Items - ------------ Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * sgallagh (39) * mizmo (19) * zodbot (3) * danofsatx-work (2) * adamw (0) * tuanta (0) * nirik (0) * mitr (0) * stefw (0) * davidstrauss (0) * simo (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlPXvJcACgkQeiVVYja6o6NBBQCgqvM/GJvCb6bvu8GWtTRw0rec Mk4AnimafodBWry03Wv0trzv+VH0wqZ5 =UchI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Meeting minutes Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-07-29)
by Marcela Mašláňová 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-07-29) ============================================ Meeting started by mmaslano at 13:02:33 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-29/env-and-stacks.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (mmaslano, 13:09:26) * rpmgrill vs taskotron (mmaslano, 13:09:38) * rpmgrill consumes quite a lot of resources -- CPU/disk/(network) -- we need to find out if taskotron be capable of running such utility (hhorak, 13:49:14) * for rpmgrill it would be beneficial if taskotron results could be grouped by their desire (groups like SecurityPolicy, BuildLog) (hhorak, 13:49:14) * current rpmgrill search with tooltips is here: http://rpmgrill-fc20.edsantiago.com:5000/search (hhorak, 13:49:14) * we'll should try to go with the integrating of rpmgrill into taskotron for now and only if it turns to be problematic we should start to maintain a separate system for rpmgrill (hhorak, 13:49:14) * docker & copr (mmaslano, 13:52:33) * BaseWG voted and decided to own base images (mmaslano, 13:53:04) * LINK: https://vpavlin.fedorapeople.org/copr-docker.svg (vpavlin, 13:53:56) * LINK: https://vpavlin.fedorapeople.org/build.json (vpavlin, 13:54:14) Meeting ended at 14:08:22 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * hhorak (30) * mmaslano (27) * vpavlin (17) * EdSantiago (11) * zodbot (5) * bkabrda (1) * suehle (1) * bochecha (1) * spot (1) * mhroncok (1) * samkottler (0) * tjanez (0) * juhp (0) * sic (0) * pkovar (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Re: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Fedora Meeting Today #fedora-meeting-1
by Emmanuel Seyman 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

* Reminder [28/07/2014 08:30] : > > This mail is a reminder for today's meeting for the French speaking community. > > 2014-07-28 / 20:30 (hour of Paris) > IRC: freenode > #fedora-meeting-1 ============================ #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora-Fr ============================ Meeting started by eseyman at 18:33:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-07-28/fedora-fr_du_2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Association Borsalinux-fr (eseyman, 18:34:50) * Fedora-Fr.org (eseyman, 18:35:13) * Projet Fedora (eseyman, 18:36:40) * Josh Boyer élu au FESCo (eseyman, 18:39:08) * Fedora 21 repoussé de 3 semaines (eseyman, 18:39:25) * Premier samedi à la Cité des Sciences (eseyman, 18:50:33) * Flock 2014 (Jehane, 18:52:58) * Capitole du Libre 2014 (eseyman, 18:54:58) * à priori, les RF21 n'auront pas lieu pendant Capitole du Libre (délais trop courts) (eseyman, 18:59:01) * ACTION: eseyman créer une page wiki pour CdL 2014 (eseyman, 19:00:12) * Rencontres Fedora 21 (eseyman, 19:03:52) * Discussion libre (eseyman, 19:11:07) Meeting ended at 19:16:49 UTC. Action Items ------------ * eseyman créer une page wiki pour CdL 2014 Action Items, by person ----------------------- * eseyman * eseyman créer une page wiki pour CdL 2014 * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * eseyman (69) * Freetux (19) * nobrakal (10) * zodbot (9) * Jehane (7) * Cydrobolt (5) * llaumgui (5) * nobrakal_ (3) Emmanuel

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Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes, with Bonus Meeting
by Pete Travis 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

============================ #fedora-meeting: fedora docs ============================ Meeting started by randomuser at 14:14:16 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-28/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (randomuser, 14:14:28) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings (randomuser, 14:14:53) * follow up on last week's action items (randomuser, 14:17:07) * ACTION: randomuser to build Technical Notes (randomuser, 14:18:13) * ACTION: randomuser to announce beats are open (randomuser, 14:18:53) * ACTION: randomuser to mail docs list re:zanata migration (randomuser, 14:19:11) * ACTION: Sparks to update documentation guide s/tx/zn/ (randomuser, 14:22:22) * ACTION: lnovich to contact virt-getting-started guide owners to get their plans, cc docs list (randomuser, 14:23:42) * publican & seo (randomuser, 14:24:21) * ACTION: lnovich to dig up info on seo, docbook metadata (randomuser, 14:26:42) * New Writers (randomuser, 14:26:57) * new writers are always welcome in meetings and in #fedora-docs (randomuser, 14:29:18) * Office Hours Americas are 1800UTC Thursdays (randomuser, 14:29:41) * Office Hours EMEA is 1500UTC Sundays (randomuser, 14:30:56) * release note beats (randomuser, 14:31:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats (randomuser, 14:31:42) * writers needed for beats, badges for participants (randomuser, 14:32:06) * office hours on sunday are 1500-2000 UTC (lnovich, 14:32:33) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Immanetize/Beats_Redux (randomuser, 14:34:07) * beats cheatsheet in progress (randomuser, 14:34:23) * LINK: https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-docs-tasks.html (randomuser, 14:34:51) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/ChangeSet (randomuser, 14:41:04) * Guide Status (randomuser, 14:44:32) * Open Floor (randomuser, 14:52:04) * ACTION: randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd (randomuser, 14:55:02) Meeting ended at 15:00:14 UTC. Action Items ------------ * randomuser to build Technical Notes * randomuser to announce beats are open * randomuser to mail docs list re:zanata migration * Sparks to update documentation guide s/tx/zn/ * lnovich to contact virt-getting-started guide owners to get their plans, cc docs list * lnovich to dig up info on seo, docbook metadata * randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jjmcd * randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd * lnovich * lnovich to contact virt-getting-started guide owners to get their plans, cc docs list * lnovich to dig up info on seo, docbook metadata * randomuser * randomuser to build Technical Notes * randomuser to announce beats are open * randomuser to mail docs list re:zanata migration * randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd * Sparks * Sparks to update documentation guide s/tx/zn/ * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * randomuser (72) * lnovich (14) * Sparks (6) * jjmcd (4) * zodbot (2) * yruseva (1) * rkratky (1) * pbokoc (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot ========================================================================================== After the meeting, rkratky, yruseva, and I talked over a plan for the new website: ================================================ #fedora-docs: Fedora Docs Website Status Meeting ================================================ Meeting started by randomuser at 15:12:24 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-docs/2014-07-28/fedora-docs.2014-07… . Meeting summary --------------- * we have the vanilla site up and running on a VM (randomuser, 15:16:06) * the VM is ansible managed and will automatically pull in any docs tagged into the el6-docs koji tag (randomuser, 15:16:39) * rkratky and yruseva have been working on customizing the front end and landing page (randomuser, 15:17:24) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/docs-backend/en-US/ (randomuser, 15:29:57) * LINK: https://rkratky.fedorapeople.org/docsweb/mockup/en-US/index.html (randomuser, 15:30:32) * yruseva will work on mockups during week of 28JUL (randomuser, 16:13:04) * rkratky will work on CSS to match mockups week of 4 AUG (randomuser, 16:13:24) * we will meet to review sometime in week of 11AUG (randomuser, 16:13:43) * randomuser will work on deployment week of 11 AUG (randomuser, 16:13:59) * week of 18 AUG will be testing, coordination with infra (randomuser, 16:14:30) * changeover planned for week of 15 aug (randomuser, 16:15:00) Meeting ended at 16:18:20 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * randomuser (68) * rkratky (26) * yruseva (22) * bexelbie (8) * zodbot (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org

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