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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-04-28)
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Meeting started by cmurf at 22:35:42 UTC. The full logs are available at
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Meeting summary
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* Rollcall (cmurf, 22:36:08)
* present: cmurf, tpopela, aday, mclasen, otaylor, mcatanzaro, jens,
kalev, james, feborges, link (cmurf, 22:36:09)
* regrets: neal (cmurf, 22:36:11)
* missing: langdon (cmurf, 22:36:13)
* Approve minutes of 14 & 21 April (cmurf, 22:36:15)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-21/workstation.2…
(cmurf, 22:36:17)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-24/workstation.2…
(cmurf, 22:36:19)
* AGREED: Approved - no objections (cmurf, 22:36:21)
* Announcements (cmurf, 22:36:23)
* Fedora on Lenovo laptops; potential implications for the working
group: (cmurf, 22:36:27)
* LINK:
https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/
(cmurf, 22:36:29)
* ACTION: Michael to investigate first boot language selection
(cmurf, 22:36:33)
* Status reports (cmurf, 22:36:37)
* F32 retrospective, and appoint chair for F33 cycle (cmurf, 22:36:41)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141 (cmurf,
22:36:43)
* Review F32 cycle, WG organizational and meeting format changes.
Chair and co-chair nominations. (cmurf, 22:36:45)
* Meeting format (cmurf, 22:36:47)
* AGREED: Continue the discussion on the ticket. (cmurf, 22:37:03)
* Chair/co-chair duration (cmurf, 22:37:05)
* Nominations (cmurf, 22:37:11)
* Encryption of system and user data (cmurf, 22:37:27)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136 (cmurf,
22:37:29)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82 (cmurf,
22:37:31)
* ACTION: : michael to do this. (cmurf, 22:37:47)
* Blocking on user switching (cmurf, 22:37:51)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/139 (cmurf,
22:37:53)
* AGREED: User switching should be a release blocker; we're happy for
QA to decide on the exact wording. (cmurf, 22:38:07)
* ACTION: Chris to communicate the decision to QA (cmurf, 22:38:09)
* Workstation Live image is oversize (cmurf, 22:38:11)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/140 (cmurf,
22:38:13)
* ACTION: Chris will ask release engineering and QA for their input,
and we'll work out the details next week (cmurf, 22:38:27)
* Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 22:38:29)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 (cmurf,
22:38:31)
* Deferred (cmurf, 22:38:33)
Meeting ended at 22:38:52 UTC.
Action Items
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* Michael to investigate first boot language selection
* : michael to do this.
* Chris to communicate the decision to QA
* Chris will ask release engineering and QA for their input, and we'll
work out the details next week
Action Items, by person
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* Michael to investigate first boot language selection
* : michael to do this.
* Chris to communicate the decision to QA
* Chris will ask release engineering and QA for their input, and we'll
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* cmurf (78)
* zodbot (7)
* chrismurphy (0)
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Notification time stamped 2020-04-30 16:17:17 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: fpc
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Meeting started by geppetto at 16:01:07 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (geppetto, 16:01:07)
* Open Floor (geppetto, 16:09:48)
* ACTION: geppetto will send out email for new members (geppetto,
16:17:07)
Meeting ended at 16:17:17 UTC.
Action Items
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* geppetto will send out email for new members
Action Items, by person
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* geppetto
* geppetto will send out email for new members
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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Notification time stamped 2020-04-30 15:38:42 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: Infrastructure (2020-04-30)
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Meeting started by smooge at 15:00:41 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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Meeting summary
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* Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra (smooge, 15:00:41)
* About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/ (smooge,
15:00:42)
* aloha (smooge, 15:00:43)
* Next chair (smooge, 15:02:42)
* magic eight ball says: (smooge, 15:02:42)
* 2020-04-30 - smooge (smooge, 15:02:42)
* 2020-05-07 - cverna (smooge, 15:02:42)
* 2020-05-14 - siddharthvipul (smooge, 15:02:43)
* 2020-05-21 - ??? (smooge, 15:02:44)
* announcements and information (smooge, 15:03:51)
* CPE Sustaining EU-hours team has standups on Tuesday and Thursday at
1400 UTC in #fedora-admin - please join (smooge, 15:03:51)
* CPE Sustaining NA-hours team has a Monday through Friday 30 minute
meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-admin (smooge,
15:03:51)
* Fedora Infrastructure will be moving in 2020-06 from its Phoenix Az
datacenter to one near Herndon Va. A lot of planning will be
involved on this. Please watch out for announcements on changes.
(smooge, 15:03:51)
* Fedora Communishift move has started but will take longer than
expected. Current estimate for bringing back into production is TBD
(smooge, 15:03:52)
* Fedora 32 is out the door! (nirik, 15:04:23)
* Taskotron is EOL and turned off as of today (smooge, 15:04:23)
* Oncall (smooge, 15:05:14)
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall (smooge,
15:05:14)
* cverna is oncall 2020-04-23-> 2020-04-30 (smooge, 15:05:15)
* siddharthvipul is oncall 2020-04-30 -> 2020-05-07 (smooge,
15:05:15)
* ??? is oncall 2020-05-07 -> 2020-05-14 (smooge, 15:05:15)
* ??? is oncall 2020-05-14 -> 2020-05-21 (smooge, 15:05:16)
* Summary of last week: (from current oncall ) (smooge, 15:05:52)
* Monitoring discussion [nirik] (smooge, 15:07:50)
* https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios (smooge, 15:07:50)
* Go over existing out items and fix (smooge, 15:07:50)
* Open Floor (smooge, 15:18:11)
* RDU-CC Hosts are preliminarily wired but a switch died in transit
and needs repairs. Work will be done on that Friday (smooge,
15:20:32)
* IAD2 initial networking routes inside of RH have been done. This
means various chains of data can start to be replicated and we can
begin standup of the hosts. Various steps still need to be case by
case as cross networking firewalls have not been done (smooge,
15:22:32)
* Fedora Infra will be moving its ansible to pagure.io next week
(smooge, 15:36:50)
* time/date to be determined (smooge, 15:36:58)
Meeting ended at 15:38:42 UTC.
Action Items
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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#startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-04-28)
#meetingname workstation
#chair cmurf
#topic Rollcall
#info present: cmurf, tpopela, aday, mclasen, otaylor, mcatanzaro,
jens, kalev, james, feborges, link
#info regrets: neal
#info missing: langdon
#topic Approve minutes of 14 & 21 April
#link
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-21/workstation.2…
#link
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-24/workstation.2…
#agreed Approved - no objections
#topic Announcements
F32 release day
Fedora on Lenovo laptops; potential implications for the working group:
#link https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/
- First boot (initial setup as the first thing the user sees, rather
than Anaconda) - need to ensure that either language selection is
displayed in initial setup or ensure that the correct keyboard layout
is predefined for the locale. Some digging required here. It might be
good to track that.
- ACTION: Michael to investigate.
- Disk encryption - how to enable/reprovision?
#topic Status reports
Chris is 60% through swap on zram proposal; is currently summarising
the hibernation issue
#topic F32 retrospective, and appoint chair for F33 cycle
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141
#info Review F32 cycle, WG organizational and meeting format changes.
Chair and co-chair nominations.
#topic Meeting format
Chris would appreciate feedback on the meeting format.
Michael: thinks that things are going well. Thinks that video has been
a success. 6 month chair seems good; thinks that Chris has been doing a
good job.
Allan: posted his feedback in the ticket (as did Chris and Tomas).
Kalev: not happy at all. Would prefer IRC meetings.
Chris: could we have an IRC meeting every month? Kalev: or a video
meeting every month, and IRC at other times?
Matthias: we have IRC all the time.
Non-weekly meetings are difficult, calendar-wise.
#agreed Continue the discussion on the ticket.
#topic Chair/co-chair duration
Kalev: 6 months is too long; would prefer 2/3 months, and the chair can
choose the meeting format
Chris: perhaps that suggestion could be combined with Allan's idea of
the chair delegating more duties
#topic Nominations
Chris would be happy to do it, and perhaps delegate more
Allan is happy to carry on as co-chair, would quite like not to do the
minutes any more
Allan: we have some long-running initiatives which Chris has been
leading, which it would be good to resolve for F33. Chris: isn't sure
he needs to be chair for that.
Michael is happy for Chris to carry on as chair. So is Allan.
Chris invites others to put themselves forward as nominees.
Kalev is interested, but only if we use IRC. Would change the direction
- would focus on getting Flathub preinstalled instead of disk
encryption. Also which apps are preinstalled.
Some discussion about enabling Flathub by default - see ticket #108
#topic Encryption of system and user data
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82
Discuss short term encryption plan (full disk encryption as it exists
today in the installer, which encrypts both system and user data).
Last week Lennart and Ray joined us to talk about homed. Ray might
report back next week on systemd-homed. It's currently unclear whether
systemd-homed is a short-term prospect or a long-term prospect.
Question about setting up recovery keys -
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136#comment-643926
Michael & Matthias: how is a recovery password useful, if you can just
forget that one as well?
Owen: the fact that it's a recovery password indicates to people that
they need a good record of it.
Allan: would like to evaluate the full range of issues/requirements in
relation to full disk encryption, not just this issue alone. How does
this approach to password recovery compare to other approaches?
Michael: we should invite people from fedora-devel to participate in
the discussion.
#action: michael to do this.
Jens: what about root password? (as recovery key?)
#topic Blocking on user switching
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/139
What are the parameters by which loss of function should or should not
be release blocking?
Is it right to block a release on this?
Kalev: yes. We have the engineers to fix it.
Matthias: depends on how relevant user switching is to us.
Allan: there are some multiuser cases where it would be nice if Fedora
was appropriate - small labs/offices. Kalev: shared computers at home
are relevant too.
Allan: other question is how bad the fail state is - does it just not
work, or does it bring down the session/system, etc?
#agreed User switching should be a release blocker; we're happy for QA
to decide on the exact wording.
#action Chris to communicate the decision to QA
#topic Workstation Live image is oversize
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/140
Chris: what's the process we want to determine the image size?
Kalev: if we want to stick to 2GB, we will need to cut some packages.
We're very close to the limit - not much room for manoeuvre.
Owen: if we change the limit to 4GB, we wouldn't have any other process
to keep the size down. This could imply that we should only increase
the limit a small amount. The alternative would be to schedule a size
review each development cycle. Matthias: it could be a package review
rather than size review - to see what changes have been made.
Kalev: it would be good to do this around the same time as the test day.
Owen: that might not give us a lot of time to resolve engineering
issues. Kalev: yes, we should have the test day before the beta, to
give us enough time before the beta release.
Chris: would like to review which services are started, too.
#action Chris will ask release engineering and QA for their input, and
we'll work out the details next week
#topic Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125
#info Deferred
#endmeeting
Notification time stamped 2020-04-30 14:18:21 UTC
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#fedora-admin: Fedora Infrastructure Sustaining Daily Standup Meeting
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Meeting started by mkonecny at 14:00:28 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* meeting is 30 minutes MAX. At the end of 30, its stops (mkonecny,
14:00:28)
* agenda is at https://board.net/p/fedora-infra-daily (mkonecny,
14:00:28)
* Item needing reviews (mkonecny, 14:02:44)
* Work In Progress (mkonecny, 14:04:11)
* Blockers (mkonecny, 14:09:06)
* Questions (mkonecny, 14:14:25)
* Ending meeting (mkonecny, 14:18:21)
* Thank you all for coming. See you next on next meeting. (mkonecny,
14:18:21)
Meeting ended at 14:18:21 UTC.
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Notification time stamped 2020-04-29 17:48:05 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
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Meeting started by bgilbert at 16:30:39 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (bgilbert, 16:30:42)
* Action items from last meeting (jlebon, 16:35:02)
* installer rework: osmet, improved interactive experience (jlebon,
16:40:00)
* next stream updates/status and 'next' steps (jlebon, 16:53:17)
* summary of audit upstream discussion (jlebon, 17:06:11)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/348
(dustymabe, 17:26:24)
* AGREED: we work with upstream to remove initscripts and to support
complex configuration split, we don't block on complex configuration
split. TBD is if we will not wait on the initscripts removal and
forcibly remove it ourselves. (dustymabe, 17:38:46)
* open floor (jlebon, 17:39:22)
Meeting ended at 17:48:05 UTC.
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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