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announcements beat is done
by Max Spevack 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

Sorry i missed last week -- w/ memorial day, i simply forgot. My apologies.

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Stepping down from FWN for at least 6 months
by Oisin Feeley 31 May '09

31 May '09

Hi all, I'm afraid that due to other pressures I'm not going to be able to continue to reliably edit FWN or write the Development beat for FWN so following next week (FWN 178) I'm going to call it quits for the immediate future. I'd love to continue but it's just not possible in terms of spare time. I'll post to @fedora-devel to try and get someone to take on the beat. Best wishes and thanks for the pleasure of working with you all, -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley

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qa beat done for 178
by Adam Williamson 30 May '09

30 May '09

qa beat is in for this week's issue. yaaaay, weekend! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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can't do virt beat this week
by Dale Bewley 28 May '09

28 May '09

This is a very busy week for me. I'm pretty certain I won't have time to do the Virt FWN beat this weekend. I'll be back next week. -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3

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Fedora Weekly News #177
by Oisin Feeley 25 May '09

25 May '09

Fedora Weekly News Issue 177 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 177[1] for the week ending May 24th, 2009. This week we offer a special collector's edition with the last ever Fedora Webcomic. PlanetFedora links Jeff Shelten's thoughts on "Why Students Should Get Involved in Open Source", Ambassadors reports on "Fedora en Mexico", Developments is getting "In a Flap Over Flags", QualityAssurance takes a look at a "Mozilla/Beagle Blocker Bug Proposal", Artwork says goodbye to itself but welcomes Design. SecurityWeek examines the problems of "Cloudy Trust". Translations notes that "Sections of the Fedora User Guide Cannot be Translated". SecurityAdvisories includes an ipsec-tools update. Virtualization shares details on the "Rawhide Virtualization Repository". If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list(a)redhat.com FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue177 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join Table of Contents 1.1 Planet Fedora + 1.1.1 General 1.2 Ambassadors + 1.2.1 Fedora en Mexico + 1.2.2 Tips on Fedora 11 release events + 1.2.3 Announce your Fedora 11 events 1.3 QualityAssurance + 1.3.1 Test Days + 1.3.2 Weekly meetings + 1.3.3 Blocker bug review meeting + 1.3.4 Adobe Flash installation instructions + 1.3.5 Fedora 11 Common Bugs page + 1.3.6 Mozilla / Beagle blocker bug proposal + 1.3.7 New Bugzappers 1.4 Developments + 1.4.1 In a Flap Over Flags + 1.4.2 FESCo Election Questions + 1.4.3 Anaconda vs YUM Upgrades + 1.4.4 Broken Dependencies in Fedora 12 Development + 1.4.5 Too Many Conflicts 1.5 Artwork + 1.5.1 Goodbye Fedora-art, Welcome Fedora-design + 1.5.2 Statistics Poster 1.6 Fedora Weekly Webcomic 1.7 Security Week + 1.7.1 Cloudy Trust? 1.8 Translation + 1.8.1 New Translations for Fedora Websites + 1.8.2 Zero-day Changes Made to the Release Notes + 1.8.3 system-config-kdump Not Enabled for Submission + 1.8.4 Sections of the Fedora Users-Guide Cannot be Translated + 1.8.5 SELinux User Guide Now Available for Translation 1.9 Security Advisories + 1.9.1 Fedora 10 Security Advisories + 1.9.2 Fedora 9 Security Advisories 1.10 Virtualization + 1.10.1 Fedora Virtualization List # 1.10.1.1 Rawhide Virtualization Repository # 1.10.1.2 No libguestfs on Fedora 10 # 1.10.1.3 New Release virt-inspector + 1.10.2 Fedora Xen List # 1.10.2.1 Xen 3.4.0 Released + 1.10.3 Libvirt List # 1.10.3.1 Libvirt VMWare ESX Driver In Development == Planet Fedora == In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. http://planet.fedoraproject.org === General === Michael DeHaan wrote[1] an essay "Recognizing and Avoiding Common Open Source Community Pitfalls" such as that "contributors appear overnight out of the woodwork, that users grow on trees, and that its possible to direct community members as if they were employees." Thorsten Leemhuis asked[2]: "What questions would you like to ask the Fedora Board or FESCo Candidates?" for the upcoming Fedora Board and FESCo elections. "Hence we need to prepare a few good questions that we can send to the candidates once the nomination period ends. And that's where I need *your help*" Richard W.M. Jones announced[3] the first proper version of virt-inspector, "a command line tool that tells you whats in a virtual machine. You just point it at a disk image or a libvirt domain" and it can discover a number of pieces of information about the installed VM. Thomas Canniot posted[4] a How-To about running a successful release event. "Fedora 11 is going to be released at the end of the month and very soon, our massive army of ambassadors will want to spread how proud they are of their Fedora 11 release to the masses." Jef Spaleta calculated[5] new Fedora usage statistics that combined the Smolt and MirrorManager logs to come up with some very interesting new numbers. Paul W. Frields responded[6] to the recent discussions about the new fedora-devel moderation policy. "Theres simply no place in free software, and certainly not in Fedora, for that kind of abuse. Of course harsh words arent the end of the world. When we let them become the noise that drowns out the signal, though, were putting the project at risk. If contributors feel their time in community discussions are wasted, they will either hold them elsewhere, or simply go away." Jack Aboutboul interviewed[7] Lennart Poettering ("Red Hat Desktop Team Engineer and resident audio guru") about Pulse Audio and audio in Fedora. Susan Lauber wrote[8] about "how can you - a Fedora contributor - assist in making the wiki more useful for everyone?" For anyone wondering how they can start contributing to Fedora, this is a great way to start, without any long-term commitments. Nicu Buceli reported[9] from eLiberatica 2009[10] in Bucharest, Romania. Jeff Sheltren discussed[11] "Why Students should get Involved in Open Source". Jeff says that "from my experience, open source experience has given our student employees an enormous boost when looking for their first jobs out of college." Adam Williamson mentioned[12] the Common F11 bugs wiki page, and how you can help: "Its really easy - everything you need to know to add an issue to the Common Bugs page is right there in the page source, as a comment. If you edit the page youll see a few chunks of comments which explain how to add an issue (including a template entry), and what else to do when adding one..." James Laska also suggested[13] that there are still some high priority defects that could use some extra testing in preparation for the imminent Fedora 11 release. Thorsten Leemhuis explained[14] that "There is one small change in Fedora 11 that I guess will confuse Fedora and RPM Fusion users with x86-32 (aka i386/ix86) systems quite a lot, but afaics did not get enough attention yet: By default, the PAE kernel will be used on 32-bit hardware, where appropriate." 1. http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/05/17/oss-pitfalls/ 2. http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-questions-would-you-like-to-ask.… 3. http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/virt-inspector/ 4. http://blog.mrtomlinux.org/index.php?post/HowTo-run-a-successful-IP 5. http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/42464.html 6. http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1653 7. http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/05/sound-of-fedora-11.html 8. http://travelingtrainer.laubersolutions.com/2009/05/revisiting-wiki-search-… 9. http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/05/preamble-to-eliberatica.html 10. http://www.eliberatica.ro/2009/ 11. http://sheltren.com/students_in_oss 12. http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/05/22/fedora-11-common-bugs-page/ 13. http://jlaska.livejournal.com/5561.html 14. http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2009/05/fedora-11-kernel-pae-and-what-it-mean… == Ambassadors == In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors === Fedora en Mexico === Alejandro Acosta recently presented the remixes workshop at the May session of the local Linux User Group know as Gluch in Chihuahua, Mexico. The reason is that many of the members of the Gluch could not attend the workshop at Flisol since they where helping out in other tasks. Alejandro created a customized distro based on Fedora AKA Remix and then tested it on a LiveUSB. A report on the activities can be found here [1] and at the Fedora Mexico Facebook page here [2]. In addition, Alejandro also gave a talk about Fedora to COPI (an organization of college IT professionals) at their May 2009 meeting. A report on the talk at COPI can be found here [3]. 1. http://alexacosta.wordpress.com/eventos/fedora-workshop-gluch-may-09/ 2. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Mexico/71816678729?ref=ts 3. http://alexacosta.wordpress.com/eventos/fedora-talk-copi-may-09/ === Tips on Fedora 11 release events === Thomas Canniot posted a very helpful guide in his blog for those who are holding events around the upcoming Fedora 11 release. Thomas' blog can be found here [1]. 1. http://blog.mrtomlinux.org/index.php?post/HowTo-run-a-successful-IP === Announce your Fedora 11 events === With the upcoming release of Fedora 11, posting your event on Fedora Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with announcements of upcoming events (and don't forget to e-mail reports after the events as well). == QualityAssurance == In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA === Test Days === There was no Test Day last week, as we are deep in the Fedora 11 final release run-up. Currently, no Test Day is scheduled for next week - it is too close to the scheduled release of Fedora 11 for any testing to produce results directly in Fedora 11 final release, but if you would like to propose a test day which could result in changes for post-release updates, or an early test day for Fedora 12, please contact the QA team via email or IRC. === Weekly meetings === The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-05-20. The full log is available[2]. Adam Williamson reported that he had filed a ticket to have Bodhi use the appropriate resolution for bugs fixed with stable release updates. Luke Macken said he would take care of the ticket. Adam also reported that he had not yet remembered to ask the Bugzilla team to add a link to the Fedora bug workflow page. James Laska reported that he had not yet sent out a Test Day feedback survey to previous participants, but had a draft ready and would continue to work on it. John Poelstra said that he had not yet finalized a schedule for blocker bug reviews during the Fedora 12 cycle, as the overall Fedora 12 cycle was still not finalized. He will revisit the issue next week. Will Woods reported there had been little work on the autoqa project or adding upgrade test cases to the Wiki during the week, as testing for Fedora 11 release had taken priority. The group discussed the Fedora 11 release situation, and noted that the release had been pushed back one week. They examined the blocker bug list, and found it was generally manageable. Francois Cami noted that major fixes to X.org's core or the ATI driver were unlikely as Dave Airlie is on vacation. The group noted that most remaining X.org blockers were in the Intel driver, and assigned to The group then discussed the Fedora 11 Common Bugs page[3]. Adam Williamson volunteered to revise the existing page to match the format used for previous releases, initiate a few other changes based on his previous work on Mandriva Linux Errata pages, and talk to other groups about the use of the page, including the Documentation group, and the IRC, mailing list and forum support teams. Francois Cami volunteered to help ensure all appropriate X.org issues are tracked on the page. In open discussion, Francois Cami noted that for Fedora 11, users of several generations of ATI Radeon cards would now only have the free drivers as a viable choice, whereas previously they would be able to use the ATI proprietary driver from third-party repositories. It was also noted that, at release time, the commonly-used RPMFusion repository would have no packages available for the proprietary driver even for cards for which it is still available, due to the lack of a reliable patch for kernel 2.6.29. The group discussed whether this could be explained in the release notes (with no definite resolution, but advice to check with the Documentation team), and how to note the requirements for a full and useful bug report for problems with the free driver from such users. Adam Williamson noted that the appropriate venue for such information would be the Bugs and Feature Requests Wiki page[4]. The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[5] was held on 2009-05-19. The full log is available[6]. John Poelstra reported on progress of the housekeeping changes for Fedora 11's release, and the group agreed that he was doing a fine job and should keep it up. Adam Williamson reported on the progress of the triage metric system. Brennan Ashton has again been busy (and without access to a regular internet connection), so progress has been slow. Adam clarified that the main choke point now was the lack of a set of test data for the scripts, to ensure that they were working correctly, and explained he was doing his best to get this data made available. Once it is available, work on the system is no longer solely dependent on Brennan being available. Adam Williamson also reported on the progress of the proposal to include setting the priority / severity fields as part of triage. He had sent out the mail asking for feedback on how to proceed, but had received none yet. The group agreed that he should send out another mail as a new thread, and set a deadline of the end of the week; if no significant feedback to the contrary was received by that point, the group agreed they should proceed using the method proposed by Matej Cepl. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-05-27 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-05-26 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090520 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs 4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests 5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings 6. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-May-19 === Blocker bug review meeting === John Poelstra announced[1] a joint QA / Release Engineering Fedora 11 blocker bug review meeting on Friday 2009-05-22. The meeting was not logged, but all outstanding release blockers were reviewed, some were closed or downgraded, and action plans were decided for several. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00946.html === Adobe Flash installation instructions === Christopher Beland explained[1] that he had updated the Wiki page on Flash[2] with the latest instructions on installing it on x86-64 systems. Adam Williamson noted[3] that the page should emphasize free software alternatives as well as the proprietary Adobe Flash system. Paul Frields announced[4] that he had made such a change. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01004.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01006.html 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01027.html === Fedora 11 Common Bugs page === Adam Williamson announced[1] his revisions to the Fedora 11 Common Bugs page, and asked the group to contribute to expanding and maintaining the page and consistently refer to it when explaining problems. He also explained some of the planned improvements to the content of the page and its interaction with Bugzilla. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01026.html === Mozilla / Beagle blocker bug proposal === Jonathan Kamens asked[1] whether a bug preventing Beagle from searching Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird data should be a release blocker, on the basis that desktop search is a key function for some users and web browser and email data are important sets which someone may wish to search. Brian Pepple pointed out[2] that it did not meet the official release blocker criteria[3], but Jonathan responded that the page admits this is a subjective judgment, and many bugs that do not strictly meet those criteria are in fact considered blockers. In the end, it was mostly agreed that, because Beagle is not installed by default and so is not considered core functionality, the issue should not be considered a blocker. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01041.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01042.html 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria === New Bugzappers === Two new Bugzappers volunteers introduced themselves this week: Xia Shing Zee[1] and Alex Turner[2]. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00734.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg01028.html == Developments == In this section the people, personalities and debates on the @fedora-devel mailing list are summarized. Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley === In a Flap Over Flags === This week's "frank and open exchange of views" took the (non)inclusion of country flags as its subject. A reminder was posted[1] by Kevin Fenzi of a previous FESCo decision to split flags representing geopolitical or ethnocultural concepts into separate subpackages. Tom Callaway posted[2] the history of how he had come to draft the proposal and noted that the inclusion of the Taiwan/Republic of China flag and possible consequences to the distributability of Fedora in the P.R.C. were the initial impetus. Upon request Josh Boyer provided[3] the relevant IRC log of the 2009-03-27 FESCo meeting. Lots of discussion was had in several separate threads. FESCo was criticized repeatedly for taking the decision. When Project Leader Paul W. Frields was pressed to comment he replied[4] that it was not his job to interfere with FESCo decisions of this sort and that he agreed with David Woodhouse's take: namely, that while disapproving of censorship, there was precedent for removing material deemed likely to offend the sensibilities of some users. Although Bill Nottingham thought that it was absurd Toshio Kuratomi and Seth Vidal explored[5] some ideas about how YUM plugins and a new entry in the Provides namespace might enable a technical solution. Jesse Keating outlined[6] the advantages of a "no flags" policy in gaining possible contributors from the PRC and also getting wider exposure for software in RHEL. Denis Leroy was a persistent critic of the decision and called[7] for most of FESCo to resign. Patrice Dumas kicked off[8] a fresh instance of the thread which recast the discussion in terms of two separate issues: legality and giving offense. Christoph Wickert started[9] a fresh instance of the thread because: "[t]he `Package Maintainers Flags policy" thread already counts more than 225 mails, but nobody bothered to answer 7 simple (?) questions I asked in my mail, although it was one of the very first three mails on the topic. So what did I do wrong? Was it that I mentioned the missing FESCo meeting minutes? If 8 out of 21 summaries are missing, IMHO this is a fact worth mentioning. I'm one of the few maintainers who directly is affected by the policy. Would somebody - preferably a FESCo member, who voted for the flags proposal - please be so kind to answer my questions. TIA!" Josh Boyer answered[10] pretty thoroughly. He included the information that the policy would be revisited in the next meeting and an explanation that the FESCo meeting summaries were incomplete due to the failure of an attempt to rotate the onerous minute taking duties. Bill Nottingham added[11] that the missing items should now be available. Yet a further thread was started[12] by Martin Sourada as a proposal to create icon-themes as a long-term support solution. The policy, as currently formulated is[13] posted on the wiki. The 2009-05-22 FESCo meeting voted[14] to overturn the flag policy and to start gathering information on the actual scope of the problem. Kevin Kofler started[15] a thread to this end. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01403.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01427.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01670.html 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01480.html 5. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01550.html 6. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01582.html 7. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01661.html 8. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01557.html 9. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01740.html 10. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01743.html 11. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01892.html 12. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01910.html 13. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Maintainers_Flags_Policy 14. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01869.html 15. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01895.html === FESCo Election Questions === John Stanley reminded[1] everyone that nominations for five FESCo seats are open until 2009-05-29 for "[a]ny interested Fedora packager [...] the only requirement is membership in the 'packager' group in FAS." Given the rumblings over the geopolitical flags issue (and other signs of discontent) it may be that this will be an interesting election. The requirement to be a packager was a new one and raised[2] questions from John Poelstra and Rahul Sundaram. Jesse Keating argued[3] that FESCo was "[...] primarily concerned with the packages and distribution release side of the house." This was disputed by several commenters who referenced decisions made by FESCo which affected documentation, artwork and internationalization. John Rose wanted to know why the voting-pool was not the same as the candidate-pool and Josh Boyer responded[4] that the issue should be raised by filing a ticket with FESCo. Andreas Thiemann and John Rose agreed[5] that there was a culture of meritocracy in the Fedora Project and John Rose observed that: "The Fedora Board and FESCo and others think of themselves as being part of a meritocracy (at least that is my perception of what they think) but at the same time are trying to encourage more widespread democratic participation which naturally runs counter to perpetuating the meritocracy." A subsequent 2009-05-22 FESCo meeting addressed the issue of restricting its membership to packagers and ratified the current practice while leaving open the door for further discussion if need be. The meeting summary (posted[6] by Bill Nottingham) noted that no one who lacked packager status had actually expressed interest in running. Thorsten Leemhuis asked[7] for participation in preparing questions to pose to the candidates once the nominations are closed. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01735.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01756.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01768.html 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01796.html 5. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01879.html 6. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01869.html 7. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01507.html === Anaconda vs YUM Upgrades === A brief thread initiated by David Timms explored[1] why it has been easier to upgrade a system with anaconda rather than YUM. David referenced a suggestion that: "anaconda is cheating (ie running --nodeps installs). This would allow it to complete an upgrade where dependencies lead to unavailable packages that are not on the dvd, but are in the complete Fedora, and or non- fedora repositories, that are not available at upgrade time." Seth Vidal replied[2] that as anaconda was running outside of the system experiencing the update it was free to use "--nodeps [without] a concern for not being able to complete the transaction." Anaconda's ability to use blacklists to exclude particular items from such transactions is now available to preupgrade as a YUM plugin. Jeremy Katz added[3] that: "It also means that we can do things like use a newer version of rpm or a new kernel with ext4 support to (eventually) allow for migrating from ext3->ext4[.]" 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01353.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01360.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01386.html === Broken Dependencies in Fedora 12 Development === Michael Schwendt posted three lists of broken dependencies in Fedora 12 development[1][2][3]. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01866.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01867.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01868.html === Too Many Conflicts === Michael Schwendt reminded[1] the list that packagers were ignoring conflicts too readily. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01917.html == Artwork == In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork === Goodbye Fedora-art, Welcome Fedora-design === Máirín Duffy announced[1] a major rebranding: "we are going to rebrand ourselves as the Fedora Design team rather than the Fedora Art team, both in hopes of attracting more UX designers, and also since it's a more accurate representation of the team so folks needing help with UI design will know where to go." The change involves modification in the mailing list, IRC channel, the Fedora Account System and awesome new functionality, shared file storage "This means rather than painfully uploading your work file-by-file to the wiki, you can just drag and drop files in batches to the shared directory and link to the top level or individual files from the wiki [...] This way, other folks on the design team can collaborate and upload their improvements and remixes to the same place so we don't have files for the same project all over the place." 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00171.html === Statistics Poster === Steven Moix asked[1] of @fedora-design about an updated statistic poster[2] "Could someone have a look at the Statistics Poster to update it to 4F standards and update it with recent statistics?", request quickly accomplished[3]Paul Frields "It was very easy to do, thanks to the way it was created -- whoever you are, thank you very much!" (as discovered later[4], it was developed by Dimitris Glezos and Máirín Duffy) 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-May/000044.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_statistics_poster 3. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-May/000048.html 4. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-May/000049.html == Fedora Weekly Webcomic == Nicu's latest and last webcomic[1] 1. http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/search/label/webcomic == Security Week == In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in Fedora. Contributing Writer: JoshBressers === Cloudy Trust? === CIO.com has a nice article that points out some of the probably flaws in cloud computing: Cloud Security: Danger (and Opportunity) Ahead. [1] In theory, cloud computing is a fine idea that has the potential to lower the cost of a CPU cycle dramatically. The thing nobody is really talking about yet is keeping your data secure. Right now, it would be rather unwise to presume that anything you send to the cloud won't be compromised in some way. Securing a highly multi-user environment such as this is going to pose a huge challenge. Problems nobody has even though of are going to emerge, and will take a great deal of cooperation and understanding to solve them. This is one of the places that Open Source style collaboration will prove to be highly useful. 1. http://www.cio.com/article/492999/Cloud_Security_Danger_and_Opportunity_Ahe… == Translation == This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N === New Translations for Fedora Websites === Translations in Korean, Traditional Chinese, French, Japanese, and Russian were added for the various Fedora-website pages for the first time in Fedora 11[1]. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00104.html === Zero-day Changes Made to the Release Notes === Ruediger Landmann announced[1] the zero day updates to the F11 Release Notes which in include all the issues reported by the Translation and Documentation team. Earlier, DomingoBecker reported[2] the lack of references about the '5.2.1. Fingerprint Readers' section in the Fedora 11 Release Notes. PaulFrields suggested[3] the addition of a link to a wiki page as the reference with a mention of note for 'further information' and the note could be easily translated by reusing translations from existing sections. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00121.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00112.html 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00114.html === system-config-kdump Not Enabled for Submission === Kris Thomsen brought forward a problem[1] with the submission of the system-config-kdump package via translate.fedoraproject.org. It was later found[2] that the user account 'transif' used to submit translations via translate.fedoraproject.org had not been granted submission privileges for this module. This problem is currently in process of being resolved. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00118.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00133.html === Sections of the Fedora Users-Guide Cannot be Translated === Daniel Cabrera reported[1] that some lines from the Fedora User Guide are missing from the .pot file and as a result these lines remain untranslated in the final document. This was caused while merging the many disparate files generated by publican[2]. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00125.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00130.html === SELinux User Guide Now Available for Translation === Scott Radvan, writer of the Fedora SELinux User Guide, announced[1] the availability of the document for translation. The disparate files have been merged together into a single .pot file, which can be downloaded. The translations for this document can be submitted via translate.fedoraproject.org[2]. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00142.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00148.html == Security Advisories == In this section, we cover Security Advisories from fedora-package-announce. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce Contributing Writer: David Nalley === Fedora 10 Security Advisories === * ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc10 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00746.ht… * nsd-3.2.2-2.fc10 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00847.ht… * memcached-1.2.8-1.fc10 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00851.ht… * quagga-0.99.12-1.fc10 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg01037.ht… === Fedora 9 Security Advisories === * ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc9 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00725.ht… * giflib-4.1.3-10.fc9 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00771.ht… * nsd-3.2.2-1.fc9 - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-May/msg00844.ht… == Virtualization == In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, and @libvirt-list and lists. Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley === Fedora Virtualization List === This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list. ==== Rawhide Virtualization Repository ==== Mark McLoughlin announced[1] the launce of the virt preview repo(FWN#171[2]). "We've set up a repository for people running Fedora 11 who would like to test the rawhide/F12 virt packages. To use it, do e.g." $> cat > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-virt-preview.repo << EOF [rawvirt] name=Virtualization Rawhide for Fedora 11 baseurl=http://markmc.fedorapeople.org/virt-preview/f11/$basearch/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=0 EOF $> yum update Adding "this is very much a work-in-progress." Mark McLoughlin decribed[3] the different types of users consuming these packages: * 1) Users who want things to stay stable and who aren't necessarily expecting new features until they update to F-12 - these are people with just the updates repo enabled * 2) Same as (1) but who are willing to help out testing updates for the whole distro in order to catch things before they hit the people in category (1) - these people have the updates and updates-testing repos enabled * 3) Mostly the same as (1) or (2), but have a specific interest in testing new virt features and are willing to deal with virt regressions - these people enable the updates, updates-testing and preview repos * 4) People who are interested in helping with helping with F-12 development in general, not just virt - these people run rawhide Daniel Berrange added[4] "The virt-preview repo is intended primarily as an aid to testing / early experimentation. It is not intended for 'production' deployment." 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00074.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue171#Virtualization_Technology_Previe… 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00086.html 4. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00081.html ==== No libguestfs on Fedora 10 ==== Ján ONDREJ referenced[1] FWN[2] when asking if Richard Jones would consider including qemu-0.10 into image:Echo-package-16px.pnglibguestfs package to satisfy dependencies for Fedora 10. Richard "had a go at backporting the changes to qemu that we ship in F-10. qemu in F-10 is based on qemu 0.9, and doesn't include the vmchannel patch." But "ended up with a qemu which compiled, but kept segfaulting, and it was tricky to diagnose exactly why." "Is it really a problem to use the libguestfs[3] and/or qemu[4] packages from Fedora 11 builds? You can grab the latest builds out of Koji." "This worked OK for me, although I have now moved to using Fedora 11-Preview, and have mostly abandoned Fedora 10." Daniel B and Mark Mc concurred, Fedora 11 is the place to get libguestfs . 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00064.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue175#libguestfs_on_non-Fedora_Platfor… 3. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/search?match=glob&type=package&terms=lib… 4. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/search?match=glob&type=package&terms=qemu ==== New Release virt-inspector ==== Richard Jones announced[1] "the first 'really working' version of virt-inspector[2]." "This is a tool based around libguestfs which can inspect a virtual machine disk image and tell you some interesting things about what's inside it." Some of the things virt-inspector can tell you: * What operating system(s) are installed, and what distros and versions. It currently covers RHEL releases, Fedora releases, Debian releases, and has limited support for Windows. * How disk partitions are expected to be mounted (eg. /dev/sda1 -> /boot) * What applications are installed. * What kernel(s) are installed. * What kernel modules are installed. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00073.html 2. http://git.et.redhat.com/?p=libguestfs.git;a=summary === Fedora Xen List === This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-xen list. ==== Xen 3.4.0 Released ==== Pasi Kärkkäinen forwarded[1] an announcement from the Xen list. "This release contains a number of important new features and updates including: * Device passthrough improvements, with particular emphasis on support for client devices (further support is available as part of the XCI project[2]) * RAS[3] features: cpu and memory offlining * Power management - improved frequency/voltage controls and deep-sleep support. Scheduler and timers optimised for peak power savings. * Support for the Viridian (Hyper-V) enlightenment interface * Many other x86 and ia64 enhancements and fixes Fedora 11 includes Xen version 3.3.1. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2009-May/msg00014.html 2. http://xenbits.xensource.com/xenclient/ 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability,_Availability_and_Serviceability === Libvirt List === This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list. ==== Libvirt VMWare ESX Driver In Development ==== Matthias Bolte announced[1] "a project of the Paderborn Center for Parallel Computing"[2] having "a subgoal is to extend the driver base of libvirt. We've started an VMware ESX driver and are investigating Hyper-V support." "The ESX driver isn't complete yet, currently it supports:" * domain lookup by ID, UUID and name * domain listing * domain suspend and resume * domain reboot, if the VMware tools are installed inside the domain * domain start and shutdown * domain migration "We think this code might be useful for others and would be glad if the driver could be merged into libvirt in medium term." Matthias was met with enthusiasm from the core libvirt developers. 1. http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00431.html 2. http://pc2.uni-paderborn.de -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley

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FWN 177 status
by Oisin Feeley 25 May '09

25 May '09

Hi all, I've created the wikipage for #177 and added the following beats which were marked complete: Planet QA Developments Artwork Comic SecurityWeek I uploaded the Weekly Webcomic and stubbed-out the blurb for the Welcome. I see that Dale is hard at work on Virtualization ;-) I am going to be out of the loop until late Monday again. I may be able to snatch 20 minutes here and there throughout the day but nothing is guaranteed. Thanks everyone for this week's great content. Sorry to read that it's the last comic Nicu :-( Best, -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley

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Fwd: Re: Non English Podcast?
by Oisin Feeley 24 May '09

24 May '09

The message below is interesting. It turns out that Henrik is translating FWN into German each week and podcasting it. I'd like to link to his RadioTux show somewhere relatively prominent. Also does anyone else know if there are other translations? -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley ----- Original message ----- From: "wonderer" <wonderer4711(a)gmx.de> To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:42:38 +0200 Subject: Re: Non English Podcast? Hy, >> I do the FWN in german, because I was asked to and nobody else stepped >> in (maybe they know that it is a time-eating job if you are not an >> Translation Expert and you work under a littel bit of pressure, because >> the FWN come out monday and the RadioTux show is in thursday). >> > > Hi Henrik, > > I had no idea you were doing this until I saw this post. Would you mind > if we put a link to your work on the FWN wikipage? > I do this since the last 3-4 FWNs and have postet this on the german list. At this moment I "parked" those at http://wonderer.fedorapeople.org/ and try to put them on the wiki (time will tell when I'm done with that ... :-) ). Feel free to link to it. mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer(a)fedoraproject.org

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QA beat done
by Adam Williamson 22 May '09

22 May '09

QA beat is in for FWN 177. weekend! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Weekly News 176
by Pascal Calarco 20 May '09

20 May '09

Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 176[1] for the week ending May 17th, 2009. In this week's content-rich issue, announcements brings us Fedora Activity Day (FAD) updates from Maylasia and the upcoming Berlin and Porto Alegre FUDCons, and several upcoming Fedora related eventsin Romania and Brazil. A sampling of the Fedora Planet reveals changes in IcedTea, Eclipse Linux Tools, detail on transitioning from rawhide to Fedora 11, amongst other jewels. In QA news, details from the recent iBus test days and many weekly meeting updates. In Developments, a broken dependency brouhaha flavored the fedora-devel list this week along with discussion of emacs add-ons for the Fedora Electronic Lab spin, and details on being excellent to one another on the list. In translation news, updates to Fedora 11 and news of inclusion of the specspo package in the upcoming release. The artwork team muses about wallpaper gallery developments and needs and final media art prep for F11. Nicu's Fedora webcomic postulates on the F11 pre-release queue, and we complete this week's melange with much news on the virtualization front from the lib-virt list. If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback: fedora-news-list(a)redhat.com FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala 1. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue176 2. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join -- Announcements -- In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project[1] [2] [3]. Contributing Writer: Max Spevack 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/ 2. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/ 3. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events --- Fedora 11 (Leonidas) --- Oddly enough, there weren't any Fedora 11 announcements this week. The schedule[1] continues to list Tuesday, May 26 as the release date. 1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule --- Fedora 12 (Rawhide) --- The KDE Special Interest Group[1] has begun the process of bringing KDE 4.3-beta1 into Fedora 12's Rawhide[2]. 1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE 2. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-May/msg00008.html --- Bugzilla --- Some housekeeping in Bugzilla will take place[1] following the Fedora 11 release. All Rawhide bugs will automatically be changed to Fedora 11 -- because the Rawhide under which those bugs will followed will have also changed into Fedora 11. Secondly, all Fedora 9 bugs will automatically receive a notice stating that there is only one month of support remaining for that release. 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-May/msg00007.html --- FUDCons and FADs --- This section previews upcoming Fedora Users & Developers Conferences, as well as upcoming Fedora Activity Days. -- Fedora Activity Day Malaysia Planning is underway for a Fedora Activity Day[1] in Malaysia at the end of May, contingent upon gathering together sufficient Fedora contributors to make such an event worthwhile. If you are in the area and are interested in attending or have some ideas on projects that could be worked on, see the wiki page[2] for more information. 1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD 2. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Malaysia_May_2009 --- FUDCon Porto Alegre 2009 --- FUDCon Porto Alegre[1] will take place June 24-27 in Brazil. About 30 people have signed up so far, and we're hopeful for an attendance of over 100. If you would like more information, and to sign up, please visit the wiki page. 1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:LATAM_2009 --- FUDCon Berlin 2009 --- FUDCon Berlin[1] will be held from June 26-28, and we're getting close to crossing the 100-person-preregistered mark. Don't forget to pre-register[2] for the event, and also to sign up for lodging[3] if you need it. 1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009 2. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_attendees 3. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Berlin_2009_lodging --- Upcoming Events --- Consider attending or volunteering at an event near you! May 22-23: eLiberatica[1] in Bucharest, Romania. May 29-30: III ENSL e IV FSLBA[2] in Salvador, Brazil. 1. ↑ http://www.eliberatica.ro/2009/ 2. ↑ https://wiki.softwarelivre.org/Festival4 -- Planet Fedora -- In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide. Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin 1. ↑ http://planet.fedoraproject.org --- General --- Deepak Bhole joined the blogging world (welcome!) by explaining[1] changes that the IcedTea Java web browser Plugin will be undergoing in order to continue functioning after some ancient APIs (LiveConnect and OJI) are removed from Gecko (Mozilla-based projects) in the coming months. Eclipse Linux Tools has released version 0.2 of their Eclipse plugin, and Andrew Overholt described[2] some of the new features along with the requisite eye candy. Dracut is a new tool, designed to generate an initramfs and replace all of the different methods currently employed by various distros. Harald Hoyer appealed[3] for anyone interested in helping contribute, noting that it is one of the Features slated for Fedora 12. Paul W. Frields linked[4] to a fedora-devel post by Jesse Keating explaining how to configure a system to ensure that a Fedora 11 pre-release properly transitions onto the stable Fedora 11 repositories once it has been released (or how to stay on rawhide if that is your plan). Jesse Keating was interviewed[5] for a podcast, about the upcoming Fedora 11 release. Jesse also announced[6] some discussions that the Fedora Advisory Board has had about the hostility that sometimes surfaces on the fedora-devel list and ways that it might be dealt with. "This is the "warning shot". Our hopes is that folks will start to figure out what is and is not allowed to happen on the list and things will tone down a bit". Adam Williamson noted[7] a number of reasons that there can never be a common Linux Package format, but suggested that "what others want is something that would actually be achievable, which is a unified system to make it easier for third parties to independently provide self-contained software packages for various distributions...If you want to do it really snazzily, though, what you want to do is design the App Store for Linux, or Steam for Linux, or something like that." Jesse Keating responded[8] that a potential complication might be "that user buy in is going to be hard when you take a software platform (such as RHEL or Fedora) that uses one tool to manage updates for the entirety of your software set (yum, PackageKit, whatever frontend) and suddenly add one or more tools to specifically manage one or two software bundles". 1. ↑ http://dbhole.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/the-future-of-icedtea-plugin/ 2. ↑ http://overholt.ca/wp/?p=130 3. ↑ http://www.harald-hoyer.de/personal/blog/dracut 4. ↑ http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1631 5. ↑ http://jkeating.livejournal.com/69319.html 6. ↑ http://jkeating.livejournal.com/69477.html 7. ↑ http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/05/15/packaging-standards-again/ 8. ↑ http://jkeating.livejournal.com/69726.html --- Events --- Event reports and photos of FOSSComm in Greece by Dimitris Glezos[1] and Pierros Papadeas[2]. Anirudh Singh Shekhawat posted[3] photos[4] and descriptions of the setup for FOSJAM in India (which included the setup of Fedora 10 on 80 machines!). Máirín Duffy attended an ACM SIGCHI panel on "User Experience in Open Source" and posted[5] detailed notes on the topic. 1. ↑ http://dimitris.glezos.com/weblog/2009/05/12/fosscomm-recap-2 2. ↑ http://pierros.papadeas.gr/?p=24 3. ↑ http://acedip.blogspot.com/2009/05/countdown-to-fosjam-day-0.html 4. ↑ http://acedip.blogspot.com/2009/05/preparing-for-fosjam.html 5. ↑ http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/notes-on-the-user-experience-in-open… -- QualityAssurance -- In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1]. Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson 1. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA --- Test Days --- This week's Test Day[1] was on iBus[2], the new default input method framework for Asian languages in Fedora 11. Over 15 people came out to test and report their results, and overall the new system seemed to be working solidly, but testing revealed several issues for the developers to work on. Thanks to all who came out for the Test Day. Currently, no Test Day is scheduled for next week - it is too close to the scheduled release of Fedora 11 for any testing to produce results directly in Fedora 11 final release, but if you would like to propose a test day which could result in changes for post-release updates, or an early test day for Fedora 12, please contact the QA team via email or IRC. 1. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-14_iBus 2. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IBus --- Weekly Meetings --- The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-05-13. The full log is available[2]. Will Woods reported that he had been doing a lot of upgrade tests, but had not had time to write them up formally as test cases as was planned at the previous meeting. Adam Williamson reported that he had completed the revision of the Fedora bug workflow page[3] to include the alternative processes agreed for closing bugs in Rawhide at the previous meeting, and had made further changes. He directed the group to his announcement email[4] for further details. Will Woods reported there had been little work on the autoqa project during the week, as testing for Fedora 11 release had taken priority. The group discussed how to get feedback on the conduct of Test Days themselves, rather than on the software being tested. Adam Williamson suggested adding a 'suggestion box' to the normal layout for Test Day wiki pages. Jóhann Guðmundsson suggested an email to the fedora-test-list mailing list. James Laska wanted to get in touch with the maintainers who had been involved with Fedora 11 Test Days for their suggestions; Adam Williamson thought it better to simply contact them via email then attempt to set up some kind of survey system. The group then discussed the Fedora 11 release situation. James Laska explained that Jesse Keating had already led a complete review of all outstanding blocker bugs for the release, trimming the list from over 70 to under 40 by downgrading the priority of some issues, and closing some which had already been addressed, after testing. Jesse thought the planned schedule for a second round of reviews was too late, and decided that it should happen on 2009-05-18. The group agreed that the handling of the final stages of release had not been optimal for F11, and for F12 the group should endeavour to get the blocker bug review done earlier in order to be ready for the release candidate phase, and that it would be useful to hold more blocker review meetings earlier in the cycle overall. The group then discussed the release candidate phase (note that release candidate builds are generally not widely distributed beyond the QA group, for reasons of timing and available resources). James Laska explained that he planned to create an installation test matrix, with 'how to test' documentation. Will Woods and Jesse Keating were already working on smoke testing early pre-RC builds. Adam Williamson suggested sending an email to fedora-test-list to remind members that now is an ideal time to be testing installation from Rawhide. Jóhann Guðmundsson raised the issue of the lack of clarity regarding Fedora's target user base, which Adam Williamson had mentioned in discussions on fedora-devel-list. Jesse Keating mentioned that the issue was already under active discussion by the board. After a long discussion, the group all agreed that the QA group did not need to have an opinion on what type of user Fedora should be targetting, but should make it clear to the board that the lack of a clear definition of this issue was actively affecting the ability of the QA group to work effectively, and QA work would benefit immediately from a clear resolution of this issue, whatever the resolution may be. Jóhann Guðmundsson asked about progress on Jesse Keating's proposal to drop the Alpha milestone for the Fedora 12 release cycle. Jesse reported the proposal had been approved by the Release Engineering group and then by FESCo. The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[5] was held on 2009-05-12. The full log is available[6]. John Poelstra reported that the planned email to fedora-devel-announce about the housekeeping changes in Bugzilla for Fedora 11 release was ready, and asked for feedback. The group agreed the email looked fine except for talking about Fedora 12 instead of Fedora 11. John promised to fix this and then send out the email. The group briefly discussed the query used to find bugs filed on Rawhide to be changed to Fedora 11, and mostly agreed that it looked fine. Adam Williamson reported on the progress of the triage metric system. Brennan Ashton had been very busy during the week and hence difficult to get hold of. He reported that the Python development group was waiting for Brennan to provide test data for them to confirm their proposed fixes to the code were correct, and he was trying to get Brennan to provide this data. Adam Williamson also reported on the progress of the proposal to include setting the priority / severity fields as part of triage. The request for feedback on fedora-devel-list had produced little response; Adam suggested this wasn't a problem, as the main point was to make sure no developers were actively opposed to the proposal for good reasons. The group agreed that Adam would send a mail to the list to move the process along with a view to starting work on priority / severity as part of the initial triage process soon. Edward Kirk revived the proposal to create a 000-Not-Sure-What-Component-To-File-Against component to catch bug reports when the reporter was not sure what the component should be. Adam Williamson pointed out the potential drawback to the proposal was that it would encourage reporters not to bother selecting the correct component for their report, thus needlessly increasing the load on the triagers. The group agreed that the current small number of bugs filed against the 0xFFFF component which currently occupies the first spot in the components list indicated this was not a problem worth making an active effort to address, and further agreed to work on correctly assigning all bugs currently filed against 0xFFFF. The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-05-20 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-05-19 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. 1. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings 2. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090513 3. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow 4. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01034.html 5. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings 6. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-May-12 --- Upcoming Bugzilla Changes --- John Poelstra announced[1] that the regular housekeeping changes to Bugzilla for a new release would be happening on 2009-05-26, with all bugs filed on Rawhide being changed to Fedora 11, and a comment left on bugs filed on Fedora 9 that they must be moved to a later release if confirmed still to be valid, or else they will be closed as WONTFIX. 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00560.html --- Bugzappers New Member SOP --- Adam Williamson reported[1] that he had revised the new members SOP[2] to be clearer and more explicit, and the page explaining how to join the Bugzappers group[3] to fully explain the revised process, including the self-introduction email. 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00673.html 2. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/sop_new_member 3. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining --- Priority / Severity Process --- Adam Williamson followed up[1] on the priority / severity proposal, explaining that no significant negative feedback had been received from the development group, and asking for votes on which method for setting these fields the group should proceed with. 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00674.html -- Developments -- In this section the people, personalities and debates on the @fedora-devel mailing list are summarized. Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley --- Broken Dependency Brouhaha --- The deliberate introduction of a broken dependency by Richard W.M. Jones resulted prolonged discussion and two FESCo discussion items tabled for the 2009-05-15 meeting. One of those items was the possible removal of "provenpackager" status from Richard. Michael Schwendt noticed[1] that an update for libguestfs[2][3] had been pushed by developer Richard W.M. Jones in the full knowledge that Fedora 10 users would need to import a Fedora 11 qemu package. An anonymous comment on Bodhi situated the decision to release the update as an example of Richard not respecting the release process. Richard argued[4] that as the libguestfs package was completely new only those aware of what they were doing would install it (and consequently would be aware that they needed the qemu from Rawhide or Fedora 11.) A strong reaction against "[c]reating broken deps when you know they won't be corrected[...]" ensued[5] and led[6] to Seth Vidal deciding to question Richard's suitability as a "provenpackager" on the basis that he lacked common sense. A sidethread on the advantages of introducing dependency-checking was started by drago01. While Josh Boyer agreed[7] that it would be useful he asked for help in solving the difficult problems which he listed. The first of the 2009-05-15 FESCo meeting items resolved[8] that Toshio Kuratomi and Richard W.M. Jones should draft a Packaging Guideline which prohibited introducing broken dependencies and submit it for approval by the Fedora Packaging Committee. For the second related meeting item it was decided that as Richard's introduction of a broken dependency was made in the absence of a clear prohibition against such actions, and as he was clear that it would not recur, then no sanction should be taken. The handling of similar requests to remove "provenpackager" status in the future were agreed to be best handled on a case-by-case basis. Richard added[9] that the necessary back-porting of changes to qemu in Fedora 10 were going to happen. Currently the update has been revoked. 1. ↑ https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-4696 2. ↑ This exciting library's ability to perform modifications within virtual machine images without the need to actually run those images has been covered previously in the FWN virtualization beat 3. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue175#libguestfs_on_non-Fedora_Platfor… 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01084.html 5. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01094.html 6. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01130.html 7. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01111.html 8. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01320.html 9. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01087.html --- Verilog Emacs Add-Ons --- The prime mover behind the Fedora Electronic Lab Spin, Chitlesh Goorah, asked[1] for feedback on splitting-out "verilog-mode" into a separate package so that upstream changes could be tracked more rapidly. This would also have the benefit of laying the groundwork to support OVM and VMM (see FWN#161[2]). Jonathan Underwood made[3] some good points concerning the danger of missing out on emacs trunk integration of such packages if they were split out. He suggested instead: "[...] a packaging strategy whereby we don't rip out verilog-mode from the core emacs packages, but we can also have an add-on package which contains the latest and greatest verilog-mode which, if installed, is loaded in preference to the one from the core emacs packages[.]" This seemed to be accepted as a positive direction by Chitlesh and a review of the emacs-verilog-mode package was started[4] by Jonathan. Jerry James raised[5] the issue of XEmacs also having its own version of the package, due to byte-code divergence between Emacs and XEmacs, and also some GPLv2 versus GPLv3 compatibility issues. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01290.html 2. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue161#Electronic_Design_Automation_Co… 3. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01303.html 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01305.html 5. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01316.html --- Open JDK7 Experimental Package --- Lillian Angel asked[1] where the OpenJDK[2] team should post their unstable java-1.7.0-openjdk package: 1)to RPMFusion; 2) to a personal FedoraPeople page; 3) to the main Fedora repositories. Lillian disliked the last option: "I am not keen on getting this package pushed into Fedora since java-1.6.0-openjdk already exists, and jdk7 will not be stable until sometime after Feb 2010[3]." Following several suggestions it was decided[4] that a personal FedoraPeople repository was the best solution as there would be six or seven packages with no interdependencies. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01251.html 2. ↑ http://openjdk.java.net/ 3. ↑ http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk7/milestones/ 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01264.html --- Making Noise About Moksha --- When Dimi Paun continued[1] to report problems using PulseAudio (see FWN#174[2]) responses suggested[3] that his use of non-Free Flash or tweaking of GStreamer settings was responsible. Debugging using gstreamer-properties to ensure that "pulsesink" or "autoaudiosink" was the default sink was recommended[4]. Lennart Poettering wanted a bug filed instead of posts to @fedora-devel and when Dimi explained that Bugzilla was too slow and he had already spent a lot of time on the problem Rahul Sundaram suggested[5] using Bugz instead. Criticism of the display of possibly thousands of "CLOSED" bugs by Bugz led Tom Callaway to offer[6] the hope that Fedora Community will allow developers to "[...] show new/open packages only on a per package basis[.]" This occasioned[7] some apparent criticism from Rahul Sundaram of a lack of openness "[...] it is a giant silo [...]" around the development of Fedora Community[8]. Tom Callaway offered[9] a list of resources to contradict this. When Rahul returned[10] with the criticism that there "[...]is definitely a big lack of communication on this development with the rest of the Fedora community. There was a very brief mail to fedora-announce list but how much input are you getting input from Fedora maintainers whose job this is supposed to make easier?" there was a distinct lack of enthusiasm for more aggressive marketing. Josh Boyer reaffirmed the involvement of several developers with large package lists and expressed[11] a fear that bike-shedding would result from any more exposure. Paul W. Frields pointed[12] to a useful interview[13] with Luke Macken about the Moksha web-application framework upon which Fedora Community is being built. Moksha is built on a collection of python-based web-frameworks and uses Orbited instead of AJAX to connect rich web applications to servers. Reportedly this is more responsive than AJAX techniques. A test instance of Fedora Community and AJAX was reported[14] by Tom Callaway to be up. He emphasized that it was a test instance, currently not to be relied upon at all and a disinclination "[...] to spend time wading through the `OMG THIS IS SLOWER THAN BUGZLILLA!!!1!'" reports. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01003.html 2. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue174#PulseAudio_Flamewar_Continues 3. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01005.html 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01010.html 5. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01018.html 6. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01021.html 7. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01022.html 8. ↑ https://fedorahosted.org/fedoracommunity/ 9. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01029.html 10. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01030.html 11. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01051.html 12. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01059.html 13. ↑ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Moksha_in_Fedora_11 14. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01132.html --- Be Excellent to Each Other --- Regular readers are no doubt aware that flamewars have become more common on @fedora-devel. Project Leader Paul W. Frields posted[1] to the @fedora-advisory-board that the FAB[2] had decided to deal with the "[...] degradation in tone and signal [...]" by appointing moderators. Mike McGrath worried[3] that this would constitute an extra burden for board members and also objected to any censorship on principal. As a related problem Mark McLoughlin wondered how posters warned privately by moderators that their behavior was problematic could defend themselves. Seth Vidal replied[4] that this was not a court of law and that problems with moderators could be reported to the board. Later posts along these lines drew[5] a response from Luis Villa which argued strongly that over-valuing one's own liberty to the detriment of others' was a problem: "Or to put it another way: The Fedora community exists to work together towards some common goals. Sometimes, in the name of reaching those goals, you have to be polite and adult towards others so that you can work efficiently and constructively with those other people even when you disagree with them, and work with them in the future after you have stopped disagreeing. This use of words like 'freedom' and 'oppression' suggests to me that some people think their highest reason for being here is about them. It's not about you, it's about working together to build something bigger and better than you. And if you can't play nicely with others in the name of those bigger and better things, or don't understand why sometimes you have to play nice in order to get to those bigger and better things, then maybe this isn't the right place for you." Paul W. Frields reported[6] that a good deal of work led by Kevin Fenzi was going on to moderate the IRC channels. A later post made[7] by Max Spevack referenced IRC bans in the #cobbler channel and suggested that Red Hat employees needed to be tough-minded and hold themselves to higher standards than other contributors. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-May/msg00026.html 2. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board 3. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-May/msg00031.html 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-May/msg00059.html 5. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-May/msg00072.html 6. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-May/msg00043.html 7. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-May/msg00052.html --- Best Way to Store Information Across Desktops --- Kushal Das requested[1] tips on making a truly cross-desktop application. Adam Williamson noticed that many applications were storing information in ~/.config files and Mathieu Bridon provided[2] the information that this was an XDG[3] spec from freedesktop.org which resulted in replacing a plethora of .app directories with only two: .config to store configuration and .local/share/ to store data. Jaroslav Řezník pointed[4] to work by the KWallet and gnome-keyring developers to develop[5] a single-sign-on solution on top of a DBUS-based protocol. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00901.html 2. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg01009.html 3. ↑ http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00966.html 5. ↑ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16581 -- Translation -- This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n) Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee 1. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N --- Fedora 11 Website Strings Frozen --- RickyZhou announced the availability[1] of the string frozen content for Fedora 11 websites. The translations can be submitted via translate.fedoraproject.org. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00075.html --- Confirmation Process for Translation Commits --- A wrong commit for the system-config-printer package[1] initiated a discussion about introducing a pre-commit check on translate.fedoraproject.org. The suggestions list included the inclusion of a 'Revert Commit' button[2], 'diff display'[3], and 'confirmation screen'[4]. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00069.html 2. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00073.html 3. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00072.html 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00074.html --- Decision Regarding Inclusion of Specspo --- As part of decision making process related to the size of images for Live CD/DVD, Bill Nottingham requested review[1] of a decision to exclude the specspo package due to a lack of updated translations since October 2007 and the uncertainty about the process to submit translations at present. The current maintainer Stepan Kasal apologised for the inactivity and offered to rebuild the package for Fedora 11 with any available translations. Suggestions favoured the retention of the translations but removal of the package from the Live media if space was a constraint[2][3][4]. At present, Bill Nottingham announced[5] its return to comps and requested Stepan Kasal to rebuild it with the available translations. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00088.html 2. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00089.html 3. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00098.html 4. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00099.html 5. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00101.html --- Zero-day Changes to Fedora 11 Release Notes --- Due to a last minute decision from the QA team, KarstenWade intimated[1] about zero-day changes to the Release Candidate version of the Fedora 11 Release Notes. Additionally, these changes along with the updated translations would also be displayed in the version of the notes available on docs.fedoraproject.org. 1. ↑ https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-May/msg00095.html -- Artwork -- In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project[1]. Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei 1. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork --- Easily Customizing the Wallpaper --- William Jon McCann forwarded[1] a MSDN blog post[2] about wallpaper customization in Windows 7 and Nicu Buculei observed[3] the similarities with "Wallpapers Extras"[4], a project of the Art Team which lately had little activity. "[T]he plan there is to gather as many as possible images from the larger community and figure out a way to select some which we think are both good and diverse." Nicu was also reminded of an old idea by former Fedora contributor Bryan W Clark: 'background channels'[5]. From here the discussion went to discuss Máirín Duffy's question[6] about the need for gallery software: "Would some gallery software help us out? E.g. we could maybe talk to Fedora Infrastructure about having a gallery install for our usage" and debates about the way to set the wallpapers from inside desktop applications, which Jóhann B. Guðmundsson identified[7] as important and Matthias Clasen as already solved by Firefox[8]. 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00135.html 2. ↑ http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx 3. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00138.html 4. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras 5. ↑ http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/designs/background-channels/background%20chan… 6. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00141.html 7. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00142.html 8. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00145.html --- Media Art for Fedora 11 --- Clint Savage asked[1] on @fedora-art about one of the last design pieces needed for the Fedora 11 release, CC/DVD labels and sleeves and he quickly followed[2] with an initial design "I've created some initial artwork for the sleeves, but I think it needs some help" which was further improved[3] by Máirín Duffy: "I've moved much of the lion off the design. I also removed a lot of the styles that were there to get this effect" until a final design[4]. In parallel Susmit Shannigrahi tried[5] a version in richer colors, suitable for printing on a smaller scale. 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00096.html 2. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00129.html 3. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00131.html 4. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00134.html 5. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-May/msg00154.html -- Fedora Weekly Webcomic -- Tracking Rawhide you should be running F11 already... are you? File:FWN176Queue.png Nicu's latest webcomic[1] 1. ↑ http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/search/label/webcomic -- Virtualization -- In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, @libvirt-list and @ovirt-devel-list lists. Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley --- Libvirt List --- This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list. ---- Status and Plans for Next Release ---- Daniel Veillard recapped[1] the plans for the next release. A "feature freeze on the 22nd" and a "target for next release is Friday 29th". Work will continue on "reviewing and adding OpenNebula[2]/Power[3] drivers and try to get the NPIV[4], netcf[5] and secure migration patches in. It's likely not everything will make the release cut but we can try !" "So far we have mostly a lot of bug fixes and VirtualBox[6] driver updates commited since 0.6.3." 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00220.html 2. ↑ http://www.opennebula.org/ 3. ↑ http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/virtualization/ 4. ↑ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPIV 5. ↑ https://fedorahosted.org/netcf/ 6. ↑ http://www.virtualbox.org/ ---- PCI Passthrough Support ---- Aaron Clausen had[1] trouble using PCI passthrough[2]. Daniel Berrange noted[3] "there aren't any docs on the [libvirt] website yet, but Mark McLoughlin just wrote up some notes[4] for the Fedora 11 virt test" day. Daniel also noted "you need a machine supporting VT-D[5]" (or IOMMU[6] in general) "for this work - the vast majority of hosts with fullvirt support do *not* yet support VT-D passthrough, but perhaps you're lucky ..." 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00122.html 2. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_PCI_Device_Assignment 3. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00126.html 4. ↑ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization_KVM_PCI_De… 5. ↑ http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/2006/v10i3/2-io/1-abstract.htm 6. ↑ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOMMU ---- Converting Between Domain XML and Native Configurations ---- Daniel Berrange updated[1] patches for an idea posted in April. Daniel added a public API for converting back and forth between the native hypervisor configurations and image:Echo-package-16px.pnglibvirt XML representations[2]. Daniel's changes enable Xen guest conversion "to/from both XM config format (/etc/xen files), and the SEXPR format used by XenD". "For QEMU, it implemnets export of domain XML into the QEMU argv format" and conversion from QEMU argv into domain XML. "With this available, it makes it very easy for people using QEMU to switch over to using libvirt for management." 1. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00321.html 2. ↑ http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html ---- Virtual Box Support Increases ---- Pritesh Kothari contributed patches improving the VirtualBox[1] driver submitted[2] just last month. * "support for vrdp/sdl/gui"[3] * "support for "Host only" and "Internal" networks"[4] 1. ↑ http://www.virtualbox.org/ 2. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-April/msg00232.html 3. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00157.html 4. ↑ http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00115.html --- end FWN 176 --- Pascal Calarco, Fedora Ambassador https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco

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by Oisin Feeley 18 May '09

18 May '09

Hi all, So far I've edited the following and added them to the 176 wikipage: Announcements PlanetFedora Developments QualityAssurance Translations Artwork Comics The weekly webcomic (thanks Nicu!) is uploaded. Thanks everyone for your hardwork and great contributions I'm out of the loop until late Monday afternoon. Pascal or Huzaifa, are you available to shepherd 176 out the door a bit earlier? Best, -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley

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