Hello to everyone, I have a question about lifecycle, i read the draft proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Proposals/Server_Lifecycle , but that is 2013 old ? Any actual news on this, i am about to deploy a freeipa environment in one hand i have centos 7 ipa 4.1.0 and Fedora 21 server 4.1.2 with several bugs corrected in the other can anyone point me some more recent direction in this topic. Regard
On 3 April 2015 at 15:39, Carlos Raúl Laguna carlosla1987@gmail.com wrote:
Hello to everyone, I have a question about lifecycle, i read the draft proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Proposals/Server_Lifecycle , but that is 2013 old ? Any actual news on this, i am about to deploy a freeipa environment in one hand i have centos 7 ipa 4.1.0 and Fedora 21 server 4.1.2 with several bugs corrected in the other can anyone point me some more recent direction in this topic. Regard
As far as I know, lifecycle is still the same as the main Fedora lifecycle of one year from release. Part of this is that there is a lot still going on in setting up the Server group. Trying to add in extended lifecycles and such would happen after the basics of what was in Fedora Server were in place. It also requires users like you to explain what they want in an extended lifecycle and what resources they are going to bring to help meet those needs.
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Thanks for your answer, Well my main concern in this use case (freeipa environment) is the complexity of IPA it depend of many stuff and can be easily broken if any of them fails. About the lifecycle I would not expect 5 years like ubuntu actually the draft proposal is pretty good to me,i would like security update in the time between the release and seamlessly upgrade between major software version. If i push fedora into production i will require alike scenario lab to test the incoming changes and feedback the community. Regards
2015-04-03 17:47 GMT-04:00 Stephen John Smoogen smooge@gmail.com:
On 3 April 2015 at 15:39, Carlos Raúl Laguna carlosla1987@gmail.com wrote:
Hello to everyone, I have a question about lifecycle, i read the draft proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Proposals/Server_Lifecycle , but that is 2013 old ? Any actual news on this, i am about to deploy a freeipa environment in one hand i have centos 7 ipa 4.1.0 and Fedora 21 server 4.1.2 with several bugs corrected in the other can anyone point me some more recent direction in this topic. Regard
As far as I know, lifecycle is still the same as the main Fedora lifecycle of one year from release. Part of this is that there is a lot still going on in setting up the Server group. Trying to add in extended lifecycles and such would happen after the basics of what was in Fedora Server were in place. It also requires users like you to explain what they want in an extended lifecycle and what resources they are going to bring to help meet those needs.
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Would the Fedora Server replace CentOS in the future?
Franklin
On 04/04/2015 05:39 AM, Carlos Raúl Laguna wrote:
Hello to everyone, Ihave a question about lifecycle, i read the draft proposal
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Proposals/Server_Lifecycle , but that is 2013 old ? Any actual news on this, i am about to deploy a freeipa environment in one hand i have centos 7 ipa 4.1.0 and Fedora 21 server 4.1.2 with several bugs corrected in the other can anyone point me some more recent direction in this topic. Regard
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I don't think so. Red Hat don't like CentOS very much, for it's not another product, and no income for Red Hat.
Franklin
On 04/04/2015 04:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 04.04.2015 um 10:54 schrieb Franklin Wang:
Would the Fedora Server replace CentOS in the future?
don't get me wrong but that question is nonsense
CentOS is a completly different project based on RHEL and so no one
will replace the other in any direction
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Am 04.04.2015 um 11:26 schrieb Franklin Wang:
I don't think so. Red Hat don't like CentOS very much, for it's not another product, and no income for Red Hat.
*lol* you have no clue about the philosophy of Redhat and if you would read serious IT news at least 5 years back you would have heard multiple times from the CEO itself that they have no problem with CentOS because over the long it brings new customers when they need support with and easy migration path and the other CentOS users wouldn't be anyways customers
at least after 2014 "Red Hat don't like CentOS very much" is just laughable because http://www.redhat.com/de/about/press-releases/red-hat-and-centos-join-forces
as well as
Domain Name:CENTOS.ORG Registrant Name:Red Hat, Inc. Registrant Organization:Red Hat, Inc. Registrant Street: 100 East Davie Street Registrant City:Raleigh Registrant State/Province:NC Registrant Postal Code:27601 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.9197543700 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.9197543704 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email:domainadmin@redhat.com
so please inform yourself *before* talking nonsense
On 04/04/2015 04:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 04.04.2015 um 10:54 schrieb Franklin Wang:
Would the Fedora Server replace CentOS in the future?
don't get me wrong but that question is nonsense
CentOS is a completly different project based on RHEL and so no one
will replace the other in any direction
On Sat, 2015-04-04 at 17:26 +0800, Franklin Wang wrote:
I don't think so. Red Hat don't like CentOS very much, for it's not another product, and no income for Red Hat.
I think you should read this: http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/
Simo.
On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 04:54:58PM +0800, Franklin Wang wrote:
Would the Fedora Server replace CentOS in the future?
We hope that ideas from Fedora Server will flow into CentOS (and other downstream distributions!), and that users of those distributions who are interested in the cutting edge — either as users or as active participants in creating the direction — will engage with Fedora Server in a virtuous cycle.
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Maybe CentOS and Fedora server now would be Fedora server stable and beta edition.
Frank
On 04/06/2015 10:33 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 04:54:58PM +0800, Franklin Wang wrote:
Would the Fedora Server replace CentOS in the future?
We hope that ideas from Fedora Server will flow into CentOS (and other downstream distributions!), and that users of those distributions who are interested in the cutting edge — either as users or as active participants in creating the direction — will engage with Fedora Server in a virtuous cycle.
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On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 08:59 +0800, Franklin Wang wrote:
Maybe CentOS and Fedora server now would be Fedora server stable and beta edition.
There's no arguing that RHEL Server will eventually be derived in part (not necessarily in whole) from Fedora Server, but to call Fedora Server a Beta of RHEL/CentOS is not really accurate. They are definitely their own projects; not everything Fedora Server does will end up in RHEL.
That said, it's reasonable to assume that the work we do in Fedora Server will flow into the enterprise releases if they prove to be well- received and significant improvements on the state of the art.
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Yes, Fedora's a community distro supported by Red Hat and Fedora community. I want to try the server edition later.
On 04/09/2015 09:12 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 08:59 +0800, Franklin Wang wrote:
Maybe CentOS and Fedora server now would be Fedora server stable and beta edition.
There's no arguing that RHEL Server will eventually be derived in part (not necessarily in whole) from Fedora Server, but to call Fedora Server a Beta of RHEL/CentOS is not really accurate. They are definitely their own projects; not everything Fedora Server does will end up in RHEL.
That said, it's reasonable to assume that the work we do in Fedora Server will flow into the enterprise releases if they prove to be well- received and significant improvements on the state of the art.
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Hello to everyone, I have a question about lifecycle, i read the draft proposal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Proposals/Server_Lifecycle , but that is 2013 old ? A ny actual news on this, i am about to deploy a freeipa environment in one hand i have centos 7 ipa 4.1.0 and Fedora 21 server 4.1.2 with several bugs corrected in the other can anyone point me some more recent direction in this topic. Regard
Hi, and thanks for a very good question. One reason we split Fedora into several products was that each product has different needs and one idea was to have different lifecycle for each product too. Unfortunately, splitting Fedora to three products does not mean we will have three times bigger manpower. And it's current showstopper for different lifecycle for Server product. So the prerequisite is automation on all the places - release engineering, QA, CI... We're not yet there but we have to move that direction to make the Fedora Project scale. AutoQA is one example.
Once we have it in place, we can for sure restart the discussion about life cycles and every hand helping in this area would be very appreciated!
Jaroslav
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