Testing hardware Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop. http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_1e833eea-791b-4f97-ba29-424a1be3fa48
Testing release Fedora 10 Cambridge Beta i386 DVD.
All test are performed with 200 MiB /boot, 2048 MiBSwap and 7904 MiB LVM partition. Keyboard layout set to Icelandic and Time zone to Atlantic/Reykjavik UTC . Standard Next --> Done installation with Selinux enabled. Total 1066 packages install.
Installation.
Kernel parameter(s) needed: Yes nomodeset and ext4 to enable ext4 support
Graphical issues encountered see Bug 464795 for further detail. Bypassed by adding nomodeset.
Wired network connection established during install = Yes Wireless network connection established during install = No ( Probably not supported )
Anaconda crashed during the package installation's in one of the installs with network error. I did not having an network cable attached.
Unfortunately I did no have a usb key at that moment nor was I enable to recreate it..
Necessary was it for me add the kernel parameter nomodeset to boot time if I did not do that the system would hang in firstboot.
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working secfaulting 100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
I recommend against replacing IM and strongly advice it will atleast be put off until F11 is released.
You dont replace people's IM unless the new IM brings some major changes/features CPU eating does not category's as a feature!
Also noticed that s-c-d had been removed from the default install.
Now if only xrandr could show which graphics drivers is being used *hint* *hint*
Since we are in the process of removing/replacing thing why dont we remove/replace evolution for thunderbird.
No selinux errors for the first time. :)
I was unable to get bluetooth file transfer to work Detecting and pairing worked ok.. Sound work out of the box.. Network both wired and wireless work out of the box NetworkManager with connection sharing seems not to work with wpa/wpa2 Connecting to a samba server work out of the box
Thats good for now..
Best regards Johann B.
2008/9/30 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg@hi.is:
Since we are in the process of removing/replacing thing why dont we remove/replace evolution for thunderbird.
Because they can both co-exist just fine. Let the user choose. And because it is not an even swap of functionality.
jerry
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Graphical issues encountered see Bug 464795 for further detail. Bypassed by adding nomodeset.
I've seen similar issues in the past and never been 100% sure how to characterize them.
Does the screen resize issue you noted in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=318084 occur on the post-installed system?
When you add the "nomodeset" kernel parameter, does X stretch to fill the screen during install?
Thanks, James
James Laska wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Graphical issues encountered see Bug 464795 for further detail. Bypassed by adding nomodeset.
I've seen similar issues in the past and never been 100% sure how to characterize them.
Does the screen resize issue you noted in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=318084 occur on the post-installed system?
Ive only seen this in Anaconda and this is the first time that the menu is not in the middle of the screen.
I had similar issue early after F9 release when hooking my T61p which has an resolution of 1920x1200 to my HDTV which has a resolution of 1920x1080. nv driver did not have the resoultion of 1920x1080 at that time. ( I'm guessing this is controlled by the driver here )
This was not that bad because driver set the output to 1920x1200 let's just say it did not stop me from playing my media. ( well first the driver try to put 1920x1920 to both screens )
What I did to bypass this issue was to lower the res to 1400x1050 which both the tv and the lcd have. problem solved.
Note this is not a problem today. Restoring the resolution to the monitor if I remove the laptop from the dock however is.
I've always been able until now to continue install just with a big black background :)
I do believe that this is an resolution issue. The highest resolution is supposed to be 1600x1200 This is an 15.4" wide lcd but xrandr output does not list 1600x1200 resolution ( 1680x1050 is the highest res and is set to that after install )
When you add the "nomodeset" kernel parameter, does X stretch to fill the screen during install?
Yes, and I'm guessing that's because the res is 800x600 and "fits" the 15.4" wide monitor and is listen in xrand output.
JBG.
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working [segfaulting] 100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
Well that's not very constructive. :)
What specific problems are you having with it? How can they be reproduced? Please file appropriately detailed bugs on bugzilla.redhat.com so that we may attempt to fix these issues before F10-GA if they are truly present.
Fwiw, I made the choice to switch to Empathy for the F10 beta exactly for the purposes of testing it and trying to squash any last-minute bugs in it. Whether or not it will be the default in F10 proper is still being considered. Likely, it still needs a lot of work in various areas (see [1]), so we may end up reverting to Pidgin as the default IM client, then go with Empathy from F11 and onward as circumstances permit.
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:51 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working [segfaulting] 100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
Well that's not very constructive. :)
What specific problems are you having with it? How can they be reproduced? Please file appropriately detailed bugs on bugzilla.redhat.com so that we may attempt to fix these issues before F10-GA if they are truly present.
Fwiw, I made the choice to switch to Empathy for the F10 beta exactly for the purposes of testing it and trying to squash any last-minute bugs in it. Whether or not it will be the default in F10 proper is still being considered. Likely, it still needs a lot of work in various areas (see [1]), so we may end up reverting to Pidgin as the default IM client, then go with Empathy from F11 and onward as circumstances permit.
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
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i'd have to agree,, Empathy needs more work on it before it becomes default IM.whereas Pidgin is near complete, but at the end of the day, its just as easy to do a
yum remove empathy yum install Pidgin
but what i dont understand is why create another IM when you can/could just improve Pidgin? surely there's Devs out there that could Help the Pidgin Devs out an improve it than Creating another Instant Messenger
greg wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:51 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working [segfaulting] 100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
Well that's not very constructive. :)
Indeed it's not but then again switching people's default IM for a immature and broken one is not playing nice either is it.
What specific problems are you having with it? How can they be reproduced? Please file appropriately detailed bugs on bugzilla.redhat.com so that we may attempt to fix these issues before F10-GA if they are truly present.
Well I'm going to let other testers test this one Walk to the side line, sit down, crack open a beer and see the ripples of effect hit the forums and channels...
Encase you are wondering they are present al right... kernel: telepathy-haze[8063]: segfault at 203a6e7f ip 003ae30a sp bfb42d50 error 4....
Fwiw, I made the choice to switch to Empathy for the F10 beta exactly for the purposes of testing it and trying to squash any last-minute bugs in it. Whether or not it will be the default in F10 proper is still being considered. Likely, it still needs a lot of work in various areas (see [1]), so we may end up reverting to Pidgin as the default IM client, then go with Empathy from F11 and onward as circumstances permit.
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
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i'd have to agree,, Empathy needs more work on it before it becomes default IM.whereas Pidgin is near complete, but at the end of the day, its just as easy to do a
yum remove empathy yum install Pidgin
Instead of being forcing new IM down the end users throat, let the users come to the IM client..
When the IM has something better to offer they will switch...
JBG.
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 08:34 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Instead of being forcing new IM down the end users throat, let the users come to the IM client..
When the IM has something better to offer they will switch...
im all for Pidgin still, dont get me wrong, its like this though , some of us Like PackageKit,, some dont so they just remove it, simple,, an your Not being Forced to use Empathy, its like saying Microsoft is Forcing you to use Windows Live Messenger, there Not, if its Empathy is Made Default in fedora10, my first thing will be is to remove it an install Pidgin, .its like Mono to, some hate Mono, some dont mind it,, its like Beagle, some like it an some remove it, but to say " there forcing Empathy down our throats is Missleading to say the least.
greg wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 08:34 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Instead of being forcing new IM down the end users throat, let the users come to the IM client..
When the IM has something better to offer they will switch...
im all for Pidgin still, dont get me wrong, its like this though , some of us Like PackageKit,, some dont so they just remove it, simple,, an your Not being Forced to use Empathy, its like saying Microsoft is Forcing you to use Windows Live Messenger, there Not, if its Empathy is Made Default in fedora10, my first thing will be is to remove it an install Pidgin, .its like Mono to, some hate Mono, some dont mind it,, its like Beagle, some like it an some remove it, but to say " there forcing Empathy down our throats is Missleading to say the least.
We are at impasse :)
I am perfectly aware of how easy it is to replace applications but is your gram ma or your daughter.
Changing end users IM is a pretty big step and cant be done just like that.
You have to realize that people are using this for communication every day.
This is as vital to the end user as their web browser, email client phone and so on. ( Do I dare to say air )
Before this step is taken the IM has to be thoroughly tested It has to offer something that the other IM does not. ( If it does not why replace it?? )
I say let's some other distro than Fedora be the test platform for Empathy or .
A. Let the community vote if Empathy should be the default IM shipped with Fedora ( Thats never going to happen )
B. Hold off shipping Empathy as the default IM with Fedora at least one if not 2 release cycle... ( Let it "Mature" then ship it as the default with F11 or F12 )
C. Have both of them part of the default install for F10, F11 ( Nothing in the rule book that says we cant have both as part of an default install ) and let's revisit this issue during the F12 release cycle and perhaps make Empathy the default IM for F12.
JBG.
2008/10/1 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg@hi.is:
I am perfectly aware of how easy it is to replace applications but is your gram ma or your daughter.
Your grandma and your daughter shouldn't betatest distributions then...
Niels
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:16 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I am perfectly aware of how easy it is to replace applications but is your gram ma or your daughter.
Beta and pre-releases in general are not usually suited to these types of users anyway, so that's not helping your argument at all.
Before this step is taken the IM has to be thoroughly tested It has to offer something that the other IM does not. ( If it does not why replace it?? )
Testing is exactly the reason I made this change for the beta. Like I said, whether or not it will be the default come full-release time in November is still under heavy consideration.
Peter Gordon wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:16 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I am perfectly aware of how easy it is to replace applications but is your gram ma or your daughter.
Beta and pre-releases in general are not usually suited to these types of users anyway, so that's not helping your argument at all.
Before this step is taken the IM has to be thoroughly tested It has to offer something that the other IM does not. ( If it does not why replace it?? )
Testing is exactly the reason I made this change for the beta. Like I said, whether or not it will be the default come full-release time in November is still under heavy consideration.
And btw why does Empathy get to skip feature process ?
jbg
2008/10/1 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg@hi.is
Peter Gordon wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:16 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I am perfectly aware of how easy it is to replace applications but is your gram ma or your daughter.
Beta and pre-releases in general are not usually suited to these types of users anyway, so that's not helping your argument at all.
Before this step is taken the IM has to be thoroughly tested It has to offer something that the other IM does not. ( If it does not why replace it?? )
Testing is exactly the reason I made this change for the beta. Like I said, whether or not it will be the default come full-release time in November is still under heavy consideration.
And btw why does Empathy get to skip feature process ?
It was made the default im app in upstream GNOME, we do I believe still have a feature to track GNOME 2.24
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 17:22 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? J
And btw why does Empathy get to skip feature process ?
Umm, it hasn't. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOME2_24
Later, /B
On 10/1/08, Peter Gordon peter@thecodergeek.com wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:16 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I am perfectly aware of how easy it is to replace applications but is your gram ma or your daughter.
Beta and pre-releases in general are not usually suited to these types of users anyway, so that's not helping your argument at all.
Au contraire, mon ami. [On the contrary, my friend.] "Beta and pre-releases in general" (rawhide as we know it) is no more than a "Add/Remove Software" (Package Manager) Edit->Repositories, checkbox "development" away from my 93-year old, computer illiterate, cannot setup-his-way-out-of-a-vcr-remote grandfather adding complete crap packages on his desktop, you might reconsider that statement.
In general, code quality in open source software currently SUCKS. Before you dedicated, talented programmers/analysts/designers get all defensive on me, forget it. I've been around longer than you, and have put more quality analysis hours in than you can fit on your pinky. Granted, I appreciate the effort, but now[1] the distro[2] needs to give more.
jerry
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present [2] me, and everyone else..........
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 00:05 -0500, Jerry Amundson wrote:
Au contraire, mon ami. [On the contrary, my friend.] "Beta and pre-releases in general" (rawhide as we know it) is no more than a "Add/Remove Software" (Package Manager) Edit->Repositories, checkbox "development" away from my 93-year old, computer illiterate, cannot setup-his-way-out-of-a-vcr-remote grandfather adding complete crap packages on his desktop, you might reconsider that statement.
And you would grant that level of root-password-required access to such a person...why, exactly? :)
In general, code quality in open source software currently SUCKS.
We are all human. From that, errors are inherent to and unavoidable in anything we - as a society or as individuals - produce: including code. However, one of F/OSS's many benefits is the great number of people perusing and (hopefully) quickly improving upon that as time passes.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Peter Gordon peter@thecodergeek.com wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 00:05 -0500, Jerry Amundson wrote:
Au contraire, mon ami. [On the contrary, my friend.] "Beta and pre-releases in general" (rawhide as we know it) is no more than a "Add/Remove Software" (Package Manager) Edit->Repositories, checkbox "development" away from my 93-year old, computer illiterate, cannot setup-his-way-out-of-a-vcr-remote grandfather adding complete crap packages on his desktop, you might reconsider that statement.
And you would grant that level of root-password-required access to such a person...why, exactly? :)
Heh. Good point!
In general, code quality in open source software currently SUCKS.
We are all human. From that, errors are inherent to and unavoidable in anything we - as a society or as individuals - produce: including code.
I understand that, but it's the recent quantity of the lack-of-quality that worries me.
However, one of F/OSS's many benefits is the great number of people perusing and (hopefully) quickly improving upon that as time passes.
Several days of having an extra large paper weight on my desk due to broken e1000e, ati, insert-your-driver-here... Well, ok, I'll remain optimistic! Fortunately, I thought ahead enough to setup multi-boot with f9 ...
jerry
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 09:26:01AM -0500, Jerry Amundson wrote:
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Peter Gordon peter@thecodergeek.com wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 00:05 -0500, Jerry Amundson wrote:
Au contraire, mon ami. [On the contrary, my friend.] "Beta and pre-releases in general" (rawhide as we know it) is no more than a "Add/Remove Software" (Package Manager) Edit->Repositories, checkbox "development" away from my 93-year old, computer illiterate, cannot setup-his-way-out-of-a-vcr-remote grandfather adding complete crap packages on his desktop, you might reconsider that statement.
And you would grant that level of root-password-required access to such a person...why, exactly? :)
Heh. Good point!
In general, code quality in open source software currently SUCKS.
We are all human. From that, errors are inherent to and unavoidable in anything we - as a society or as individuals - produce: including code.
I understand that, but it's the recent quantity of the lack-of-quality that worries me.
However, one of F/OSS's many benefits is the great number of people perusing and (hopefully) quickly improving upon that as time passes.
Several days of having an extra large paper weight on my desk due to broken e1000e,
That kind of problem happens very rarely and - as you can read in the news - it's being worked on by both Intel and kernel developers.
ati,
AMD has released a lot of documentation and work on radeon/radeonhd drivers is progressing nicely. Radeonhd works fine for me. If fglrx doesn't work for you, we can't do anything about it. Ask AMD for support.
Regards, R.
greg wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:51 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working [segfaulting] 100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
Well that's not very constructive. :)
What specific problems are you having with it? How can they be reproduced? Please file appropriately detailed bugs on bugzilla.redhat.com so that we may attempt to fix these issues before F10-GA if they are truly present.
Fwiw, I made the choice to switch to Empathy for the F10 beta exactly for the purposes of testing it and trying to squash any last-minute bugs in it. Whether or not it will be the default in F10 proper is still being considered. Likely, it still needs a lot of work in various areas (see [1]), so we may end up reverting to Pidgin as the default IM client, then go with Empathy from F11 and onward as circumstances permit.
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
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i'd have to agree,, Empathy needs more work on it before it becomes default IM.whereas Pidgin is near complete, but at the end of the day, its just as easy to do a
yum remove empathy yum install Pidgin
but what i dont understand is why create another IM when you can/could just improve Pidgin? surely there's Devs out there that could Help the Pidgin Devs out an improve it than Creating another Instant Messenger
I have to chime in here as well. Any default baseline desktop app (like an IM client or something as basic as the desktop itself) had better be pretty functional and stable or the release will be rapidly vilified in the public's eye. Look at what happened with KDE 4.0 in F9. Sheesh!
If you're going to force the change to a different application (and I use that term to signify what will be installed by default), that new application should be compatible with and offer similar or better capabilities than the old one and offer an easy way to upgrade existing data to it. I've not tried Empathy, but I surely do NOT want to have to re-enter all my account data from Pidgin into Empathy. That's onerous to say the least.
Can someone "in the know" give one an idea as to what's involved in making decisions as to what will be "default" in the future? I'm curious. Some of the decisions in the past have been questionable to say the least. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Admitting you have a problem is the first step toward getting - - medicated for it. -- Jim Evarts (http://www.TopFive.com) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rick Stevens wrote:
greg wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:51 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working [segfaulting] 100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
Well that's not very constructive. :)
What specific problems are you having with it? How can they be reproduced? Please file appropriately detailed bugs on bugzilla.redhat.com so that we may attempt to fix these issues before F10-GA if they are truly present. Fwiw, I made the choice to switch to Empathy for the F10 beta exactly for the purposes of testing it and trying to squash any last-minute bugs in it. Whether or not it will be the default in F10 proper is still being considered. Likely, it still needs a lot of work in various areas (see [1]), so we may end up reverting to Pidgin as the default IM client, then go with Empathy from F11 and onward as circumstances permit.
[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
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i'd have to agree,, Empathy needs more work on it before it becomes default IM.whereas Pidgin is near complete, but at the end of the day, its just as easy to do a yum remove empathy yum install Pidgin
but what i dont understand is why create another IM when you can/could just improve Pidgin? surely there's Devs out there that could Help the Pidgin Devs out an improve it than Creating another Instant Messenger
I have to chime in here as well. Any default baseline desktop app (like an IM client or something as basic as the desktop itself) had better be pretty functional and stable or the release will be rapidly vilified in the public's eye. Look at what happened with KDE 4.0 in F9. Sheesh!
If you're going to force the change to a different application (and I use that term to signify what will be installed by default), that new application should be compatible with and offer similar or better capabilities than the old one and offer an easy way to upgrade existing data to it. I've not tried Empathy, but I surely do NOT want to have to re-enter all my account data from Pidgin into Empathy. That's onerous to say the least.
Can someone "in the know" give one an idea as to what's involved in making decisions as to what will be "default" in the future? I'm curious. Some of the decisions in the past have been questionable to say the least.
I do believe the answer is in David Nielsen response.
"It was made the default im app in upstream GNOME, we do I believe still have a feature to track GNOME 2.24"
I guess I should dig deeper into the Features list in the near future...
"If Pidgin was installed previously, it remains installed. On new installations we will install Empathy"
So I guess we are stuck with Empathy not both to coexist hell. they don't even allow the fedora lock theme to be enabled by default which btw you can enable it by doing this.. gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_dialog_theme "system"
I just hope that the art team has not given up on creating art for the lock theme.
jbg
Hi,
So I guess we are stuck with Empathy not both to coexist hell. they don't even allow the fedora lock theme to be enabled by default which btw you can enable it by doing this.. gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_dialog_theme "system"
Our fearless leader, Paul Frields did a lock dialog for F 9, which I've been meaning to push as an update, but it never quite makes it to the top of my priority queue.
--Ray
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Rick Stevens wrote:
greg wrote:
[snip]
Can someone "in the know" give one an idea as to what's involved in making decisions as to what will be "default" in the future? I'm curious. Some of the decisions in the past have been questionable to say the least.
I do believe the answer is in David Nielsen response.
"It was made the default im app in upstream GNOME, we do I believe still have a feature to track GNOME 2.24"
So I guess this should be asked of the Gnome team, eh?
I guess I should dig deeper into the Features list in the near future...
"If Pidgin was installed previously, it remains installed. On new installations we will install Empathy"
The problem is the upgrade process between versions has never been particularly smooth. If history repeats itself (and I sure don't see that tradition changing soon), MANY people will end up backing up user data and special configs and installing F10 fresh. Voila! No Pidgin. Lovely.
So I guess we are stuck with Empathy not both to coexist hell. they don't even allow the fedora lock theme to be enabled by default which btw you can enable it by doing this.. gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_dialog_theme "system"
I just hope that the art team has not given up on creating art for the lock theme.
Well, I suppose I shall have to install F9 on ye ol' labrat machine and run F10 as a domU under it to test this stuff. To be honest, I think the release cycle is a bit too short for practicality--especially when you run into things like the new IM client segfaulting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - A friend said he climbed to the top of Mount Ranier. My view is - - that if there's no elevator, it must not be that interesting. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 15:27 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
To be honest, I think the release cycle is a bit too short for practicality--especially when you run into things like the new IM client segfaulting.
And the bug # for that?
Later, /B
2008/10/1 Peter Gordon peter@thecodergeek.com
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Noticed that Pidgin has been replaced by the crappy not working
[segfaulting]
100% cpu load causing piece if shit IM better known as Empathy ( Me bitter no well yes.. )
Well that's not very constructive. :)
What specific problems are you having with it? How can they be reproduced? Please file appropriately detailed bugs on bugzilla.redhat.com so that we may attempt to fix these issues before F10-GA if they are truly present.
Fwiw, I made the choice to switch to Empathy for the F10 beta exactly for the purposes of testing it and trying to squash any last-minute bugs in it. Whether or not it will be the default in F10 proper is still being considered. Likely, it still needs a lot of work in various areas (see [1]), so we may end up reverting to Pidgin as the default IM client, then go with Empathy from F11 and onward as circumstances permit.
I for one really enjoy Empathy, I have used it for all my im'ing need since it first entered Fedora. Except the webcam support in msn for which amsn is still the only game in town but not for long.
Adam Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 16:02 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Also noticed that s-c-d had been removed from the default install.
Now if only xrandr could show which graphics drivers is being used *hint* *hint*
Why?
- ajax
Cool to have. xrand --xinfo which would show the X settings.
Then again there is nothing stopping the user from parsing the X log file and get the info from there.
jbg
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