Andrew, Thanks for the tips....

I got the new up2date and up2date-gnome packages installed.... Then I tried to get the rest of the packages...

Once again it just hangs completely during the dependency check. I was able to get some of the packages individually, or in small groups ....

I got all the XFree86 packages in one go, and that sort of thing. Over all, the process of getting the updates was excruciatingly painful, going through many, many iterations of running up2date... waiting an age for the list of package headers, waiting an age for the dependency checks, the actual downloads were very quick and the installs were OK....

Except, for every package it downloaded it said "Package already downloaded", but the progress bar continued, and I could "see" traffic being downloaded by the lights on my LAN switch

It hung when I tried to get the cpp package by itself....

I got the rhgb package installed... I did get the new kernel updates and after that decided I should reboot the machine then get the rest of the packages....

When I rebooted, graphical boot up did not work (it worked prior to any updates)

kudzu recognized new hardware (which there wasn't any really, but I guess it was new to it... the touch pad on my laptop) after which my USB mouse stopped working.

Now when I try to use up2date, I eventually get the list of available packages, but I can't get any of them.... it just hangs after I select any one of them and press "forward"....

I think at this point I'll just wait until Monday Nov 3 for new ISO's and I'll try again from scratch, then I'll just enter new bugs....

I look forward to seeing how the GA release installs on my IBM desktop.... FCT3 dies a miserable death on that machine now.... yes, I reported the bug and provided logs etc etc, the proverbial "nothing unusual there, that shouldn't happen" oh well, that's why it's called BETA code... :-)

"See" you next week. :-)

Cheers, Don

-----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Farris Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:50 PM To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Updated ISO images?

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 23:22, Don Russell wrote:

...

I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines....

The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking dependencies etc.

The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors during the package install.

Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again?

No, just go get the newest up2date and up2date-gnome packages from rawhide. You may be able to update those packages if you do them ONLY, before anything else. If not, get them ftp and install manually. After that you should be able to update the rest (known bug).

...

Thanks, Don

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OK... I'll try that.... I downloaded the mg file, but now how do I create a floppy disk from it? I thought I used a program called rawwrite or something like that, but that's not recognized on m Win 2000 system...

Thanks, Don -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Sean Earp Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Updated ISO images?

On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote:

I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines....

The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking dependencies etc.

The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors during the package install.

Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again?

Thanks, Don

Don-

That would probably be the most reported bug of FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can download at http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/severn-t3-updates.img. Create a floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. If it does not, please reflect your experiences at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106965

-Sean

GPG public key: http://homepage.mac.com/smearp/seanpgp.asc

Hi Don,

This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out whitespaces, blank lines, etc. to fix this bug.

To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution &> mylog.txt"

look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP response

Paul

On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:28, Don wrote:

Well, shortly after sending that note, I found rawritewin and created the floppy disk.

I tried to send this note from the fully-updated FCT3 system on my laptop using Evolution 1.4 .... but it seems it can't send mail. When sending, I get an error back about From unknown or something like that.

Don

    -----Original Message-----
    From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com
    [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Don
    Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:17 PM
    To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com
    Subject: RE: Updated ISO images?


    OK... I'll try that.... I downloaded the mg file, but now how
    do I create a floppy disk from it? I thought I used a program
    called rawwrite or something like that, but that's not
    recognized on m Win 2000 system...

    Thanks,
    Don
            -----Original Message-----
            From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com
            [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of
            Sean Earp
            Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM
            To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com
            Subject: Re: Updated ISO images?


            On Oct 27, 2003, at 11:22 PM, Don Russell wrote:

                    I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it
                    on two machines....

                    The laptop install went "OK", but the update
                    utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking
                    dependencies etc.

                    The desktop install fails miserably....
                    choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors
                    during the package install.

                    Question is... are there newer ISO images I
                    can d/l and try again?

                    Thanks,
                    Don

            Don-

            That would probably be the most reported bug of
            FCT3... There is an anaconda update that you can
            download at
            <http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/severn-t3-updates.img>. Create a floppy from the image file, boot to the installation CD, put the floppy in, and then type "linux updates" (might be "linux update") It should update anacona on the fly and fix the problem. If it does not, please reflect your experiences at <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106965>

            -Sean

            GPG public key:
            <http://homepage.mac.com/smearp/seanpgp.asc>

On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:26, Don wrote:

Paul, That was a very amusing exercise.... :-)

Here's the results of the "mylog.txt" file....

sending EHLO [10.10.10.14]^M received 502 sending MAIL FROM: dnrlinux@san.rr.com^M received 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first sending QUIT

OK, fine.... obviously my ISP SMTP server doesn't like EHLO and wants to see HELO.

So, why does evolution report back? Error while performing operation: MAIL FROM response error: unknown

What's the purpose of an error message? To allow somebody to diagnose a problem. So how about something like: Error while sending mail: EHLO response error: 502 MAIL FROM response error: 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first

The next question is, since EHLO failed, evolution should do one of two things: - try HELO - or stop there... an error of 502 means there's not much point in continuing.

Then my little test message remains in the outbox... I deleted it by selecting it and pressing the delete key. The item count in the outbox is now 2 (from my original message as well, also deleted) and when I close evolution it warns me that I have unsent items in the outbox.... there're problems in the delete code when removing items from the outbox.

Don

...

-----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: Updated ISO images?

Hi Don,

This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out whitespaces, blank lines, etc. to fix this bug.

To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution &> mylog.txt"

look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP response

Paul

Don,

do this

1) edit your /etc/hosts and clean out the whitespaces and blanklines. If that does not work. delete the comments.

HTH,

Paul

Hi Don,

This is the relevant bug information on www.ximian.com

Hopefully this will fix your problem. I ran into this problem myself on a few desktops ;)

http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=E...

HTH,

Paul

On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 18:33, Don wrote:

Paul, Same result after I removed all white space from the /etc/hosts file.

Also, same result after I deleted the comments from the /etc/hosts file.

rpm-q evolution shows version 1.4.5-7

Bugzilla time?

Don

...

-----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:39 PM To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: Updated ISO images?

On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:26, Don wrote:

...

Paul, That was a very amusing exercise.... :-)

Here's the results of the "mylog.txt" file....

sending EHLO [10.10.10.14]^M received 502 sending MAIL FROM: dnrlinux@san.rr.com^M received 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first sending QUIT

OK, fine.... obviously my ISP SMTP server doesn't like EHLO and

wants to see

...

HELO.

So, why does evolution report back? Error while performing operation: MAIL FROM response error: unknown

What's the purpose of an error message? To allow somebody to diagnose a problem. So how about something like: Error while sending mail: EHLO response error: 502 MAIL FROM response error: 503 5.0.0 Polite people say HELO first

The next question is, since EHLO failed, evolution should do one of two things: - try HELO - or stop there... an error of 502 means there's not much point in continuing.

Then my little test message remains in the outbox... I deleted it by selecting it and pressing the delete key. The item count in the outbox is now 2 (from my original message as well, also deleted) and when I close evolution it warns me that I have unsent items in the outbox.... there're problems in the delete code

when removing

...

items from the outbox.

Don

...

-----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Paul Kline Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:09 AM To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: RE: Updated ISO images?

Hi Don,

This maybe a glibc error. Edit your /etc/hosts and take out

whitespaces,

...

...

blank lines, etc. to fix this bug.

To test if its a glibc error run this "CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1 evolution &> mylog.txt"

look at mylog.txt to see if there is ELO, instead of the normal POP response

Paul

Don,

do this

1. edit your /etc/hosts and clean out the whitespaces and blanklines. If

that does not work. delete the comments.

HTH,

Paul

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Thanks for that info.... Where I find newer ISOs are nice is in the event of a complete, clean, reinstall....

Periodically I wipe the entire system, and if I can reinstall from ISO images without then having to apply all sorts of updates... well, that just seems "easier". :-)

What I WOULD like is if the /home directory etc were all in a separate partition so when I says "reformat" to do a clean install, all MY stuff is not affected.

There's probably ways to do that, I just want it to be "automatic" when doing a "reformat this all automatically" for me...

Don

-----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:01 PM To: fedora-test-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Updated ISO images?

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:22, Don Russell wrote:

...

I got the ISO images for FCT3 and installed it on two machines....

The laptop install went "OK", but the update utility doesn't work, it hangs during checking dependencies etc.

The desktop install fails miserably.... choking big time with rpmdb fatal errors during the package install.

Question is... are there newer ISO images I can d/l and try again?

Thanks, Don

I can see that every-one wants iso's... Well if you have a DVD-R I can give you the command to generate an ISO from the distribution tree:

cd /$distribution_tree

mkisofs -A Fedora\ Core\ 1/i386 -V Fedora\ Core\ 1/i386 -J -R -v -T -o fedora-core.RC1-i386-DVD.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table .

/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/implantisomd5 fedora-core.RC1-i386-DVD.iso

You can use this command to generate a ~2.2GB iso which is excellent for VMWare or DVD-R's...

Ntz...Ntz...Ntz... so impatient... should warn you though that there are absolutely no differences from an updated Severn Test3...

Your choice...

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What I WOULD like is if the /home directory etc were all in a separate partition so when I says "reformat" to do a clean install, all MY stuff is not affected.

Just tell the installer not to use that partition and it'll leave it untouched. The basic options 'remove all Linux' and 'remove all' don't help you here so you have to do it manually in that case.