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Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by Pravin Satpute 26 Jun '20

26 Jun '20

Hi All, I am sure, most of the people working with Fedora I18N, L10N from 5-6 year must be aware regarding Fedora L10N Steering Committee. [1] As far as i know this committee was active around 2009 and very effective. During Fedora G11N activity day discussions, we again felt there is need for some kind of official committee to drive Fedora Globalization activities. Fedora is growing faster with number of different domains and G11N also need to adapt those changes quickly to remain on the track. For this purpose and in line with [1], we were thinking of Fedora Globalization steering committee. I have created initial proposal for it. [2] Its open for feedback, please feel free to share other active members, discuss in your respective language groups. This is just initial proposal and i am sure, we can improve and make it more effective with active participation. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringComm… 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_G11N_Steering_Committee_Proposal _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Weblate transition & integration for upstream projects
by Daniel P. Berrangé 13 Dec '19

13 Dec '19

I'm the maintainer for various upstream projects [1] which are currently using Fedora's Zanata for translation services and I saw the recent change proposal for Fedora to shift to Weblate in the next release cycle. First I'm wondering what sort of time frame is being targetted for move of the upstream projects which are independant of Fedora's release cycle ? Next, and more importantly, I'm trying to understand how we will integrate with Weblate.... With Zanata the maintainers just run "zanata push" and "zanata pull" when desired and we have rules integrated into our build system to do various processing steps to build the .pot file and .po files as needed. Looking at what was done for ibus-typing-booster, IIUC Weblate is given commit access directly to the git repository. This is tricky for us as, AFAICT, it assumes the project is storing the .pot files and .po files in git which is not the case for an increasing number of our virt related projects - libvirt, libvirt-glib & virt-viewer. It is also not appealing from a security POV to grant commit access to a 3rd party service. The .pot file is never stored as it is an huge auto-generated file which would be out of date as soon as it was committed. We would always rebuild this from master source files whenever it is needed so it is fully updated. We also recently stopped storing full .po files [2], again because they are huge files with a large amount of redundant information in them. Instead we store what we call ".mini.po" files. This is the same file format as a normal ".po" file, but with - all filenames + line numbers stripped - all non-translated msgids stripped - msgids sorted alphabetically This is loss-less - all the removed information can be automatically re-added by processing with msgmerge & the latest .pot file. This cut down size of stored /po directory from 100 MB to just 18 MB. It also means that when we push updates with new translations, the git patch diffs have high signal/noise ratio and are very small. eg a git commit refreshing translations is now approx 700 KB, instead of the ~80 MB we saw when storing full .po files. This can also makes distributed tar.xz files smaller as we only need include the .mini.po files. We have build rules from convert from .po files to .mini.po files which are run when we pull down new translations from zanata, and the inverse to convert from .mini.po files to .po files which we run at build time when creating the binary .mo files for installation into /usr/share/locale All this means though that Weblate can't simply operate directly on our git repo. There's no .pot for it to find, nor can it push normally formatted .po files. Thus I'm trying to understand how we'll go about integrating with Weblate. I'm guessing there's no way to control how it interacts with git - eg no way to tell it to run meson to generate a .pot file, nor any way to tell it to run meson to generate .mini.po files The 'wlc download' and 'wlc upload' commands appear to be similar in purpose to zanata's 'pull' and 'push' commands, but when I try to run 'wlc download ibus-typing-booster/app' it reports "Error: Not supported". Essentially if there's a way to push a .pot file and pull a .po file from Weblate's REST API we'll be able to continue our current workflow. Finally in Weblate after authenticating with FAS, I still don't have the ability to create new projects. Is this intentionally restricted ? I was hoping to do some testing with Weblate & one of the virt apps like virt-viewer to try to understand its operation better before any formal transition period. Regards, Daniel [1] libvirt, libvirt-glib, virt-viewer, entangle, osinfo-db, osinfo-db-tools, libosinfo, virt-manager, libvirt-sandbox [2] https://www.berrange.com/posts/2018/11/29/improved-translation-po-file-hand… -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|

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New project in Beta: ibus-typing-booster
by Jean-Baptiste 04 Dec '19

04 Dec '19

Dear translators, Mike Fabian accepted to be a beta test project for our translation platform with Ibus Typing Booster. Here is the project: https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/projects/ibus-typing-booster/#infor… It is an interesting project, has it contains some specific comments for translators: https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/translate/ibus-typing-booster/app/f… And it allows you to really use the context feature to find the usage in source code: https://github.com/mike-fabian/ibus-typing-booster/blob/master/engine/emoji… (ok, here the real line should be 372, maybe the pot is not totally up to date). This gave me the opportunity to improve the list of question for upstream projects: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_to_Weblate/Message_for_upstream_pr… As a result, Weblate will open a pull request: https://github.com/mike-fabian/ibus-typing-booster/pull/57 (until it is merged, Weblate will reuse the same Pull Request to add every translation commits) Happy translating, Jean-Baptiste

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : L10N
by jibecfed＠fedoraproject.org 24 Nov '19

24 Nov '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: L10N on 2019-11-25 from 17:00:00 to 17:30:00 Europe/Paris At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Localization meeting https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20190916T150000&p… More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings](https://fedoraproject.org/wik… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9620/

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : L10N
by jibecfed＠fedoraproject.org 18 Nov '19

18 Nov '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: L10N on 2019-11-18 from 17:00:00 to 17:30:00 Europe/Paris At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Localization meeting https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20190916T150000&p… More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings](https://fedoraproject.org/wik… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9620/

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Weblate: ibus-typing-booster: Failed rebase on repository: What does that mean?
by Mike FABIAN 16 Nov '19

16 Nov '19

A few hours after I merged Weblate’s most recent pull request, this happened in Weblate: > https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/projects/ibus-typing-booster/app/#h… > > 2 hours ago None New alert Could not merge the repository. ibus-typing-booster/app > 2 hours ago None Failed rebase on repository ibus-typing-booster/app > > error: Failed to merge in the changes. > hint: Use 'git am --show-current-patch' to see the failed patch (1) Is this something I need to worry about, or will Weblate fix this automatically? -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)redhat.com> 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Docs translation statistics - let's have some competition
by Jean-Baptiste 16 Nov '19

16 Nov '19

Dear translation team, I spent a few hours doing some statistics about our localization of our documentation, here is the result: https://jibecfed.fedorapeople.org/docs-l10n/localization/ First language in terms of translation progress is Turkish. In our documentation system, there is: * 90 154 messages to translate * 1 748 294 words to translate. With a rhythm of 2500 words per day, this is roughly 3 years and 4 months of work for a single person. That explains why a good translation memory is an important requirement, And why machine translation could really help us. Please keep in mind many strings are duplicated across multiple versions of the same doc. Which explain the big numbers we have: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f31/system-administrators-guide/ and https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f30/system-administrators-guide/ are exactly the same. This will be part of our main documentation system, and will be updated automatically. Jean-Baptiste,

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Self-Introduction: edwardzcn zh_cn
by Chuannan Zhang 13 Nov '19

13 Nov '19

Hello everyone! I am a newcomer who'd like to contribute to the translation :) Name: Edward Zhang Lacation: Hunan Province, China Login: edwardzcn Language: zh_cn Student Major: Computer Science About me: As a student whose major is CS, I'm really interested in Open Source Software. So I find Fedora! BTW I also want to learn some practical knowledge about OS :) Basketball and photography are my best two hobbies. The Fedora Project and me: To be honest, I haven't learned much about the project. Contributing to translation is my first step, also a wonderful way to familiar with the project and the community. I think I will try to code for the project (C++/Python/Go) later. GPG KEYID: 38BFE990 Fingerprint: B4AB 40CC F607 DDD6 416A 00C6 27F5 9F82 38BF E990 :)

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : L10N
by jibecfed＠fedoraproject.org 12 Nov '19

12 Nov '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: L10N on 2019-11-11 from 17:00:00 to 17:30:00 Europe/Paris At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Localization meeting https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20190916T150000&p… More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings](https://fedoraproject.org/wik… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9620/

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Weblate - loading time
by Benson Muite 10 Nov '19

10 Nov '19

It would be helpful if there was an interface in Weblate for a slow internet connection. a) It may be helpful to run speed tests and peform some of the optimizations at: https://fedoramagazine.org/design-faster-web-pages-part-1-image-compression/ https://fedoramagazine.org/design-faster-web-pages-part-2-image-replacement/ https://fedoramagazine.org/design-faster-web-pages-part-3-font-css-tweaks/ b) It may also be helpful to have a mostly text interface for low bandwith connections Can make these as requests in Weblate directly, but viewpoints from other testers are also helpful, in particular for items that are specific to Fedora. Benson

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