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Re: Why Fedora is for experts only?
by R. G. Newbury 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

On 07/24/2009 06:29 PM, gilpel(a)altern.org wrote <snip> > I'm trying to figure out what our great experts would lose if there was a > pause for choosing the kernel. If they don't like this setting, they > wouldn't have to use vi, just the Administration menu. All it takes is a > few seconds and, thereafter, they would never have to suffer a pause when > they reboot every six month. > > What's the name of the guy responsible for this mess? Can you imagine > proselytizing Mac users and having to make sure they understand they will > have to change a default setting, otherwise, they may be locked out of > their system? Even better are the stupid messes where there is NO default setting to change. Google 'kstartupconfig4 error 3' No-one, and I mean no-one knows what causes this, or how to fix it. (Well, if there IS a 'great expert' who knows this, he's not talking). And what happens when you get this error? You cannot log in as a normal user. So I've been forced to log in as root for well over a month now on this laptop. (Quick! Get the smelling salts! A grey-bearded pony-tailed guru just fainted with an attack of the vapours!) And the problem has existed since I "upgraded" to F11...I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the /home partition was retained from F10 and that the chcon context might have something to do with it, but then, like pulseaudio, chcon has entirely too minimal a set of documentation. And I didn't even know chcon existed until a week ago, when it turned up as the possible source/answer to a completely different question about httpd. It is the lack of documentation which makes Fedora (and Mandriva, and Ubuntu) an OS for experts only..... Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes."

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 10:32 PM > 'Tonio wrote: > > > Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook > and others. In a > > last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code > to linux. Check out > > this at distrowatch. > > > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 > > Since Linux is strongon th server market, they want to > attract them to > Hyper-V, from what I've read. So? > > > BTW, Redhat also signed a deal with them, are they > > really falling off > > Red Hat signed "a contract" and Suse signed "a contract", > so Red Hat ans > Suse are just the same for both signing "a contract". > > Which "a contract" have both companies signed? > > -- The stories about Microsoft releasing code, was more of a another way to cover up for a GPL violation :( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_hyperv_gpl_violation/ http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result… Not really because Micro$oft wants to help out a rival or a plague like Steve Ballmer once said. The truth comes out sooner or later. Regards, Antonio

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 11:33 PM > > On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 08:08 > +0500, gilpel(a)altern.org > wrote: > >> Excuse me for being rude > > > > No. > > > > Oh, and I'm middle-aged, and run a debt free > business. Being doing so > > for over twenty years. i.e. I live in the real > world, and one that's > > well managed. > > > > The one needing to get a clue, here, is you. You > ONLY speak for > > yourself, and opinions are NOT facts. > > I was just about to go to bed but this message kept > haunting me. There's > lots of truth in what you say here: why care about anything > but the facts > and be haunted by questions instead of facts? Sometimes I > really wished I > was like you... > > Microsoft has 90% of market share, Linux only 1% and people > at Microsoft > certainly are very glad. So, why should we be sad? Wouldn't > this be giving > Microsoft an edge in gladness? > > And if, tomorrow, Linux only has only .01% of the desktop > market, would > that be any reason to be sad? Of course not, since you and > the codec geeks > -- they'll undoubtedly be the last! -- will always hold the > flag. So, > you'll be glad not to be bothered by know-nothing like me > and Microsoft... > will they ever be glad! > > Once again, everybody will be glad. So why worry, be > happy! > > Still, a last question keeps haunting me. No doubt, by now, > since it's all > well documented facts, you've read "From Microsoft Word to > Microsoft > World". In this document, Newman explains how, using its > proprietary > formats, Microsoft got rid of pretty much all competition. > It brought > every company to their knees, thn, bought and scrapped them > one after the > other. > > Of course, Microsoft can't play this game with Linux, since > Linux uses... > or tries to use open formats. Still, sometimes I wonder if, > with all the > money it has, Microsoft couldn't find a way to keep the cap > on Linux. You > know, keep it at an acceptable level of nuisance, say, 1% > of market share > after 18 years. > > Arrrgh! I'm afraid that's what I'll dream about tonight. > What a pain I am, > even to myself! > > -- Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook and others. In a last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code to linux. Check out this at distrowatch. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 I like comment 133. It sounds just about right. There are many nice comments there. BTW, Redhat also signed a deal with them, are they really falling off or are they the Borg that is portrayed in comment 133? Regards, Antonio

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Ranter or evangelist?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the damned music. If I go to Application, sound and video, the first option, "Audio Player", opens XMMS. Great! I click the forward button... I'm presented with a list of the... no, no, no! not the files on the CD, but the files in my home directory!!! Wow, we're really moving forward! I painfully navigate to /media, there's nothing in /media. Let's check mtab, my DVD/CD is on sr0, I believe. Nope, nothing there. Well, if the intend was to scare away Mac and Windows users, I would think that the success rate is 100%. I've been using Linux for 8 years and even "I" am scared! I do understand Fedora is for geeks, but would it make their life that difficult if things kinda worked? Didn't anybody notice that the present set-up makes absolutely no sense? At least, normally, you should go to => System, Preference, File Management, Media to select a default CD and DVD player. Still impossible! No option to change anything. I wrote about this. Nobody replied. Who's responsible for setting things this way? Is anyboby responsible somewhere or is it "We do all this together in a haphazard way" ? If so, never expect any significant market share for Linux. Radio-Canada will continue to use Windows Media because "Linux is too hard for ordinary people" (MSFT trademark). You think I'm a ranter? I've been told this quite often. But, while some people write code, I write to the Quebec Press Council. I explain that a certain so-called journalist is just a Microsoft sycophant. Every time he used Windows Vista, of course, there were a few... almost bugs. but certainly no show stopper. With Linux, the question is more complex. When a new version of Firefox comes out, for instance, instead of waiting for the upgrade, he gets the executable at Mozilla and, then, everything gets really complicated. Of course, the Press Concil understands perfectly what's going on. I made sure my basic complaint was very easy to understand: I explained the journalist NEVER discussed the appropriateness for the State -- television, amongst others -- of using proprietary format and never discussed tied sales. That's it, that's all. Still, after counceiding that the Press organisation lawyers had well understood my POV, the Council judged that the journalist gives a lot of coverage to Linux -- they didn't elabore on the kind of coverage: they can't evaluate, of course -- and, you know, given that Linux hardly has 1% of the market share, they found the coverage was adequate. So, I filed an appeal... and sent a copy to the Professional Federation of Journalists... I got my appeal. But the fight is far from over. The Press Council is heavily subsidized by the employer of said journalist, and Radio-Canada, another member of the Microsoft club. Seeing subsidies vaporize scares the shit out of those learned men: they could lose their precious jobs! So, they'll try every trick in the book to give a very mild tone to their judgement. But I have a few other tricks in my book to set the records straight, though having the support from the Linux community would certainly help. Cause... do you really believe I got any help from local coders for this fight? I got none, absolutely NONE. Why? Cause I'm a ranter. In other words, though I am not a programmer, when I see things that are not done correctly, I say so. They tell me I should fix the bugs. Why is it that there are so many programmers and I can't even set a default application for reading CD and DVDs? While I'm alone to do what I consider my job, why is it that the whole community doesn't get its act together to do such simple things? Sometimes I wished I could proselytize in a more positive way. I'd like to tell Apple users that Linux equals or surpasses OS X in user friendlyness, but it doesn't. It was like this ten years ago, it is still like this now. Countrary to what we could think from the success of Steve Jobs at the helm of Apple, in the Linux world, the only people who count are programmers. They'll fix things... soon. But Linux is not so young anymore. After 18 years, it has 1% market share. I believe there are some organizational bugs that need to be ironed out. For now, from an administrative POV, Linux is a merry-go-round that doesn't make much sense. What do you say, am I a ranter or an evangelist? Is it good for Linux to be ruled by programmers, the alternative not being necessarily the marketing department? :) Red Hat has some clout. How come they don't say "We want a music player that first detects CD files and plays them" and accept to include them on the default CD only on this condition? Etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Jackson Byers 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Tim wrote >There's gnome-mplayer (there's probably a KDE variant), and smplayer, to >try out, at least. >I have used GUI programs like XMMS or Audacious to play streams, but >sometimes you need to tweak the preferences, to increase cache sizing, >to avoid skips. Totem is too much of a black box (not enough options to >play with). Before seeing above response, I had just tried smplayer and it seems to be working well no skips smplayer -playlist xxxxxxxxx.pls and it comes up with a small window that has volume slider and mute just what i want.. I havent tried it yet to play audio dvd Seems like I can remove Totem Jack

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How do I switch mirror for rpmfusion?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

I'm still having problems downloading from liberty.edu . Ex, installing kdenlive: Total download size: 13 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/15): GraphicsMagick-1.1.14-4.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 2.4 MB 00:05 (2/15): dvdauthor-0.6.14-8.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 187 kB 00:00 (3/15): dvgrab-3.4-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 133 kB 00:01 (4/15): ffmpeg-0.5-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 160 kB 00:01 (5/15): ffmpeg-libs-0.5-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 2.5 MB 00:15 (6/15): imlib2-1.4.2-4.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 228 kB 00:01 (7/15): jack-audio-connection-kit-0.116.1-5.fc11.x86_64. | 203 kB 00:01 (8/15): jack-audio-connection-kit-example-clients-0.116. | 42 kB 00:00 (9/15): kdenlive-0.7.4-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 2.6 MB 00:15 (10/15): libfreebob-1.0.11-5.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 160 kB 00:01 (11/15): mlt-0.4.2-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 144 kB 00:30 ... http://mirror.liberty.edu/pub/rpmfusion/free/fedora/updates/11/x86_64/mlt-0…: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out Trying other mirror. (11/15): mlt-0.4.2-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 3.4 MB 00:09 (12/15): openjpeg-libs-1.3-4.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 66 kB 00:00 (13/15): recordmydesktop-0.3.8.1-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 65 kB 00:00 (14/15): schroedinger-1.0.6-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 233 kB 00:01 (15/15): sox-14.2.0-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 458 kB 00:02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total 137 kB/s | 13 MB 01:35 I very often get those "Socket Error: timed out" interruptions. How do I switch mirror for rpmfusion?

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Setting up HP laserjets (1012) to work with Fedora 11
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Unrelated to topic: I lost quite a bit of messages downloading them from Altern to Thunderbird and not being able to upload afterwards* but I would like to thank Todd Zullinger for reminding me that welcome messages are not just a way for forums owner to be polite :) But somethimes, you have many things to read... * ping smtp.altern.org ping: unknown host smtp.altern.org This used to work, but not anymore, according to lantre.org. So, I'll have to set up a Gmail account. Later. ----------------------------- Setting up HP laserjets (1012) to work I discovered a bug with the setting of my printer, an HP 1012. The configuration seemed really easy as it was identified correctly on a USB Port. A few clicks, and I was done. I didn't even check to see if it worked: I never had a problem setting this printer for years. Then, I tried to print and I had a message saying that the printer wasn't connected. Weird: CUPS was installed, the wire was OK. I went back to configuration and I saw there's an option for using HAL, the Hardware Abstraction Layer. I do believe HAL has always been part of setting my printer. So, I selected it but received the message that the HPIJS driver was not available. (Note that I tried the Gutenprint driver when the printer wasn't set to use HAL: it didn't work.) I installed hpijs, now everything is fine. I don't remember ever being asked to use HAL with another distro: it was always put to contribution, I suppose. So, there must be a way around this. Most newbies will never consider an option that isn't selected by default for a printer. Most probably other printers that use HPIJS have the same problem. Those that use ppd files, probably not.

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Did I really install Kmod-Nvidia ?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

There are all sorts of instructions as to how to install Kmod-Nvidia on Fedora, but I thought yum would do a better job of guessing my configuration (x86_64, 9400 GT) to get the most up-to-date correct package and getting everything right. So, I just typed: yum install kmod-nvidia Now, /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks like this: # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection The file is only a few minutes old... So, I suppose it's a new config for the Kmod driver. But the process was so transparent, I can't help but wonder if all those modifications to the kernel that I read about in the doc have been made. If so, why not provide the documentation that all that is needed is to type the yum command? The Nouveau driver worked very well and, since I'm not too sure I'll install 3D, maybe I could have kept it. But my screen kept blanking once in a while for a few seconds. This happened with my previous computer too -- it had an old ATI card, the same monitor and a very standard open source driver for ATI -- but not so often and not for so long: it was just a quick blank. I thought this might fix the problem. Also, I intend to install a TV card and, it anything doesn't work, I'm sure the first suggestion from Nvidia will be to install their driver. As the material I buy is only on a one week money back guarantee, I prefer to make sure everything works in advance. Also, as it often happens when I download new packages, there was a socket error and a long (~ 1-2 min) halt before another server took over. (I forgot to save the console screen before I rebooted, but the name "liberty" was part of it.) After the installation finished, the rx/tx light of the modem began flashing very fast as if there was a download occuring... or maybe an upload if some information on the installation has to be sent back to rpmfusion or nvidia. No indication of what was going on appeared onscreen. Is this anything to be concerned about? Any idea What this transfer was about?

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Re: Getting more juice from a preamp?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Getting more juice from a preamp? > To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:34 PM > I listen to sound on my system with > headphones, so I only use the preamp. > > This aft, I was watching this feature on the cause of > Beethoven's death: > > http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/decouverte/2008-2009/Reportage.asp?idD… > > but the sound is a bit weak. You don't miss anything, but > you feel you > have to be very attentive. Maybe they wanted to make you > feel like you're > getting deaf yourself :) > > I checked alsamixer, but volume control is maxed out. Is > there any other > control somewhere else? Anything in alsactl or pulseaudio, > for instance? > > Thnaks! > > -- Try the following: $ alsamixer -c0 then $ pavucontrol after adjusting those to your preference save your settings with $ su -c '/sbin/alsactl store' put in your password and settings should be saved for next reboot, ***unless*** an update(s) breaks your configuration and let us hope that those things don't happen :) Regards, Antonio

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Problems with 3COM 3C900Combo
by Christian Moller 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Hi all Fedora users, I have just joined this list. I am running the latest Fedora but I can't get my 3C900Combo networking card to work. I can see that the card is installed but no IP-address is asigned to it and I can't set it. So I think that there is a bug in that driver. Any other user out there who have a solution for this? Best regards and thanks, Christian

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