Having had trouble with F15 media, I told preupgrade on an expendable (heavily backed up) pc to go to F15 beta. It did, eventually, after taking an amazingly long time -- and looks worse, so far, than I had feared.
I logged in, and it put me onto what has always been my workspace #1. But there are no panels, let alone a workspace switcher; and right- clicking does nothing anywhere.
I have it doing yum update at present, also going through an amazing lot of stuff. Will that enable me to orient myself? Or is this release a total loss already for all but Alpha Plus Technoids?
On 04/28/2011 02:40 AM, Beartooth wrote:
I logged in, and it put me onto what has always been my workspace #1. But there are no panels, let alone a workspace switcher; and right- clicking does nothing anywhere.
GNOME Shell manages workspaces dynamically
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/gnome-shell-gets-automatic-workspaces.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlGAmFex9ts
If you want to launch apps on predesignated workspaces, use the extension, gnome-shell-extensions-auto-move-windows
After you install the extension, you can do something along the lines of
$ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.auto-move-windows application-list "['mozilla-firefox.desktop:1','mozilla-thunderbird.desktop:2']"
Hope that helps
Rahul
On 04/27/2011 02:10 PM, Beartooth wrote:
Having had trouble with F15 media, I told preupgrade on an expendable (heavily backed up) pc to go to F15 beta. It did, eventually, after taking an amazingly long time -- and looks worse, so far, than I had feared.
I logged in, and it put me onto what has always been my workspace #1. But there are no panels, let alone a workspace switcher; and right- clicking does nothing anywhere.
I have it doing yum update at present, also going through an amazing lot of stuff. Will that enable me to orient myself? Or is this release a total loss already for all but Alpha Plus Technoids?
Hi BT,
According to somebody famous, "I feel your pain."
This helped me a lot: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet and start from the bottom up.
Rather than have a fixed number of viewports they now come and go as they are needed. Much different than the way I used to work but very comfortable now that I've had a couple of days to reorient myself.
I hate to say this (couldn't they find a different key?) but the "Windows" key opens and closes the magic box.
hth, Mike Wright
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:48:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 04/28/2011 02:40 AM, Beartooth wrote:
I logged in, and it put me onto what has always been my workspace #1. But there are no panels, let alone a workspace switcher; and right- clicking does nothing anywhere.
GNOME Shell manages workspaces dynamically
workspaces.html
<sigh> Why do people inveterately do (%&&%% videos instead of plain clean prose explanations? <tears beard>
If you want to launch apps on predesignated workspaces, use the extension, gnome-shell-extensions-auto-move-windows
OK, yum installed that.
After you install the extension, you can do something along the lines of
$ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.auto-move-windows application-list "['mozilla-firefox.desktop:1','mozilla-thunderbird.desktop:2']"
Well, I did three in that format, and stopped there, meaning to ask how I leave a workspace blank; but it got me an error message in techtalk over my head about usage. It had to do with schema, path, key, and value -- whatever those are ...
Hope that helps
Yes: it tells me the job can probably be done, and that's a great relief.
On 04/27/2011 03:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 04/28/2011 04:12 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
I hate to say this (couldn't they find a different key?) but the "Windows" key opens and closes the magic box.
It is a key and it is as functional as anything else.
LOL. Rahul, you work too hard ;D
If you must use
something different, alt+f1 works just fine
Indeed it does.
Rahul
On 04/28/2011 04:16 AM, Beartooth wrote:
Well, I did three in that format, and stopped there, meaning to ask how I leave a workspace blank; but it got me an error message in techtalk over my head about usage. It had to do with schema, path, key, and value -- whatever those are ...
Empty workspaces don't make much sense when workspaces are dynamic but if you want help, you need to give the specific command and output instead of this vague description
Rahul
Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:
I logged in, and it put me onto what has always been my workspace #1. But there are no panels, let alone a workspace switcher; and right- clicking does nothing anywhere.
If you had session saving enabled, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698184 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647359 .
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 22:46 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
<sigh> Why do people inveterately do (%&&%% videos instead ofplain clean prose explanations? <tears beard>
Because they can't give a good explanation? I'm not even sure that that video gives a good explanation of what it's supposed to be doing.
Though, it looks like you start opening things on your current space, then shuffle them over to some other space. Like you're continually shuffling a deck of cards.
Unlike how I currently *LIKE* doing things, of going to a work space that I want to work on, and opening applications normally in that space, and that's where they stay unless I drag them over to another.
I can't say that I'm enamoured with the way things are going, and having a whacking great big task bar on the side of the screen with huge thumbnails, to manage what used to be done by a small space on an existing task bar, doesn't sound very progressive to me. I'm sure it'll be a real annoyance on my laptop, going by my experience with compiz. Sluggish and a slowdown to simply switching from one thing to another, brain- and eye-irritating rapid whizzing of graphics around between windows and screens. And my graphics card over-heating all the time. Laptops sort of manage occasional peak loads, with idle time to cool down with. They don't do well when they're continually doing hard work.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:16:33 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:
I logged in, and it put me onto what has always been my workspace #1. But there are no panels, let alone a workspace switcher; and right- clicking does nothing anywhere.
If you had session saving enabled, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698184 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647359 .
Iiuc, that first one is indeed what I've hit. I did indeed have session saving enabled -- checking it is always one of the first things I do on any new install.
It is also the case that, having logged in, I see *only* the gnome-terminal I normally keep in workspace #1, with the tabs I keep on it (color-coded for the tasks I usually dedicate them to). I do not see anything like a panel, nor any launchers.
If I type "gnome-panel" (w/o "") at a user prompt, I get an error message -- but I also get a very inconspicuous (black on black) bastardized panel in the worst possible place, namely on top. (I'm not sadistic enough to want to watch what happens when some of the developers begin having to wear trifocals, but I predict it won't be pretty.)
I also get a travesty of a workspace switcher at the bottom, which changes its message following the cursor, but does nothing when, for instance, I 'click to switch to workspace #2' -- it does not even take me away from the terminal on workspace #1.
The error message reads 'Gtk-message: Failed to load module "pk- gtk-module"'
The pseudo-panel contains "Applications Places" at the left end, my username at the right end (an utterly useless-to-me waste of space even on a real panel, which I always delete on sight) , and the date in the middle.
If I let the cursor lie long enough on one of those things, it lights up, and shows a message immediately below, apparently trying to tell me what it's good for: "Click to ...." Doing so has no effect; but if I click *and* *hold*, I get, for instance, what appears to be the old standard Main Menu under Applicatons.
If I try that on the date, a window opens which I can find no way to close.
I'll stop here for now, hoping to have dropped something the developers can use, because this post is getting over-long.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:28:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: [....]
if you want help, you need to give the specific command and output instead of this vague description
I couldn't, because it was way too long to memorize; but I have now found an abysmal kludge enabling me to copy, paste, and email it to myself. So I can see it on the machine I'm using now. The command and error message read :
[btth2@Hbsk1 ~]$ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.auto-move windows application-list "['gnome-terminal.desktop:1','mozilla-firefox.desktop:2','mozilla- galeon.desktop:3' ]" Usage: gsettings set SCHEMA[:PATH] KEY VALUE
Set the value of KEY to VALUE
Arguments: SCHEMA The name of the schema PATH The path, for relocatable schemas KEY The key within the schema VALUE The value to set
[btth2@Hbsk1 ~]$
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:30:52 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 22:46 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
<sigh> Why do people inveterately do (%&&%% videos instead ofplain clean prose explanations? <tears beard>
Because they can't give a good explanation? I'm not even sure that that video gives a good explanation of what it's supposed to be doing.
Such is of course the obvious guess. Back in those ancient days when I was an undergrad math major, several of us discovered that the best way to find out of you really had understood something, or were fooling yourself, was to explain it to someone else.
Though, it looks like you start opening things on your current space, then shuffle them over to some other space. Like you're continually shuffling a deck of cards.
Sounds like a PITA to me.
Unlike how I currently *LIKE* doing things, of going to a work space that I want to work on, and opening applications normally in that space, and that's where they stay unless I drag them over to another.
They also stay open, and that in a place you can get to without distracting your attention. Maybe somebody's forgetting that.
Suppose for instance I need to explain a problem with some browser to the appropriate Gmane group, or one with Fedora to this list, which the likes of me are much better off following on Gmane. I'll run the app through step after step, switching each time to my newsreader; or if I'm following directions, the reverse.
I can't say that I'm enamoured with the way things are going, and having a whacking great big task bar on the side of the screen with huge thumbnails, to manage what used to be done by a small space on an existing task bar, doesn't sound very progressive to me.
Ditto! And I *arrange* my panels, making them fit the way and frequency I use the apps on them or in their drawers. Doesn't everybody??
I'm sure it'll be a real annoyance on my laptop, going by my experience with compiz.
I tried compiz when Fedora first offered it, decided quietly that it was an esthetic and practical abomination to me, and have made a point of uninstalling it ever since. I hate to complain, if only because it devours time and raises my blood pressure; but maybe some of us should have, long since. The developers often seem never to have thought of any possibile downside to eye candy.
Sluggish and a slowdown to simply switching from one thing to another, brain- and eye-irritating rapid whizzing of graphics around between windows and screens.
I hate any moving image I can possibly do without, even when it's relevant.
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:42:21 -0700, Mike Wright wrote: [....]
I have it doing yum update at present, also going through an amazing lot of stuff. Will that enable me to orient myself? Or is this release a total loss already for all but Alpha Plus Technoids?
[....]
This helped me a lot: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet and start from the bottom up.
Many thanks! Looking at that now.
Rather than have a fixed number of viewports they now come and go as they are needed. Much different than the way I used to work but very comfortable now that I've had a couple of days to reorient myself.
I tried their recommended Alt-F2. It did nothing perceptible, even after a long wait. Nor did goosing it with the down arrow.
The "Applications" launcher (What was wrong with all the old Main Menu icons?) let me open Pan (which would be a great help -- I could, maybe, maybe, click back and forth between it, a browser, the desktop, and a terminal). But now Pan sits there, obscuring my terminal, and I can't even bring that to the front, much less get them into separate workspaces. I'm afraid to open a third app ....
Is this still the bug? Oe will this release *keep* this work- blocking behavior?? Say it ain't so!
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC), B wrote:
This helped me a lot: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet and
I tried their recommended Alt-F2. It did nothing perceptible, even after a long wait. Nor did goosing it with the down arrow.
Alt+F2 has always been there, also with "old" GNOME. Did you mean to say that you have never used it before?
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:54 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
I'll stop here for now, hoping to have dropped something thedevelopers can use, because this post is getting over-long.
AFAIK if the developers read any of these lists it's more likely to be the Fedora Test list, which is where F15 is supposed to be discussed until release.
poc
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:16:55 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC), B wrote:
This helped me a lot: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet and
I tried their recommended Alt-F2. It did nothing perceptible, even after a long wait. Nor did goosing it with the down arrow.
Alt+F2 has always been there, also with "old" GNOME. Did you mean to say that you have never used it before?
No, though that happens to be true: I had read of its existence, and never used it.
What I was trying to say was that, now that I did use it, it did nothing. I find in fact that quite a few familiar techniques, such as left-clicking to get a context menu, or clicking-&-dragging, do nothing afaict. I even tried Alt-F2 followed by typing blind; but that did nothing either.
This has reached a point where, after I click a couple of things, my terminal gets covered up, and the only way I can get back to it is to hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and log in again.
Since, as I confirmed above, I did have session saving enabled before doing the preupgrade, I'm likely suffering under https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698184 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647359 .
I don't know for sure how much of what I'm posting results from one or both of those bugs, and how much might be new.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:34:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:54 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
I'll stop here for now, hoping to have dropped something thedevelopers can use, because this post is getting over-long.
AFAIK if the developers read any of these lists it's more likely to be the Fedora Test list, which is where F15 is supposed to be discussed until release.
<sigh> I've now signed up for six or eight more Fedora lists; but past experience suggests, with a 99 44/100% probability, that everything on any of them will be way over my head.
What I had supposed would turn out to be a simple bonehead oversight -- how to make F15 run a usable workspace switcher -- has grown into a bramble patch, much to my regret.
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 19:31 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
What I had supposed would turn out to be a simple boneheadoversight -- how to make F15 run a usable workspace switcher -- has grown into a bramble patch, much to my regret.
That's as may be (I use KDE myself so I confess to a certain amount of schadenfreude :-) but nonetheless the place to bitch about for the moment is the Test list.
Cheers
poc
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 19:31:11 +0000, Beartooth beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
What I had supposed would turn out to be a simple bonehead oversight -- how to make F15 run a usable workspace switcher -- has grown into a bramble patch, much to my regret.
In fallback mode the workspace switcher works like it did before. I am used to having certain apps in certain windows and want to keep working that way for the time being. I also can have some windows with confidential data on them at work and having gnome shell show all windows at somewhat reduced size when switching around isn't something I want as I can be working with people in my office. There may be a way to avoid this, but I don't know gnome-shell well enough to know how to.
On 04/28/2011 01:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 19:31:11 +0000, Beartoothbeartooth@comcast.net wrote:
What I had supposed would turn out to be a simple bonehead oversight -- how to make F15 run a usable workspace switcher -- has grown into a bramble patch, much to my regret.
In fallback mode the workspace switcher works like it did before. I am used to having certain apps in certain windows and want to keep working that way for the time being. I also can have some windows with confidential data on them at work and having gnome shell show all windows at somewhat reduced size when switching around isn't something I want as I can be working with people in my office. There may be a way to avoid this, but I don't know gnome-shell well enough to know how to.
The following command will install a lightweight window manager with multiple workspaces not disimilar to gnome2.
yum groupinstall Xfce
Hope that helps.
ps. I can't mention that it works with f15
Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:
This has reached a point where, after I click a couple of things, my terminal gets covered up, and the only way I can get back to it is to hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and log in again.
Since, as I confirmed above, I did have session saving enabled before doing the preupgrade, I'm likely suffering under https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698184 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647359 .
I don't know for sure how much of what I'm posting results from one or both of those bugs, and how much might be new.
Since you're fortunate enough to have a terminal to start applications from, you can just run gnome-session-properties, uncheck the "remember running applications" option, then log out by running gnome-session-quit. On your next login, things should be back to normal (but without session saving). If you didn't have the terminal, the bug reports indicate how to fix things in general by going to a VT and deleting a file. In the latter case, you'd still have to run g-s-p to disable session saving afterwards, otherwise the same thing would happen again on the next login.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:45:54 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:
Since, as I confirmed above, I did have session saving enabled before doing the preupgrade, I'm likely suffering under https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698184 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647359 .
Since you're fortunate enough to have a terminal to start applications from, you can just run gnome-session-properties, uncheck the "remember running applications" option, then log out by running gnome-session-quit.
All right, many thanks! I did those two.
On your next login, things should be back to normal (but without session saving).
Nope, alas! I get a picture of a sad face on a screen, telling me "Oh no, something has gone wrong." It says to log in again, so I tried. Three times. No joy. Nor can either of the other users on the login screen (whose passwords I have) get even that far. Both get messages about a failure to update a .ICEauthority file.
Of course, root can't log in either; and Ctrl-Alt-Delete does only a logout, not a reboot. I hit the reset button. Still no joy.
If you didn't have the terminal, the bug reports indicate how to fix things in general by going to a VT and deleting a file. In the latter case, you'd still have to run g-s-p to disable session saving afterwards, otherwise the same thing would happen again on the next login.
I saw talk of that in one of the bugzilla discussions, and refrained from pointing our there that I haven't the foggiest notion of what is meant by going to Virginia Tech (what VT stands for around here), nor how to do it electronically.
Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:
Nope, alas! I get a picture of a sad face on a screen, telling me "Oh no, something has gone wrong." It says to log in again, so I tried. Three times. No joy. Nor can either of the other users on the login screen (whose passwords I have) get even that far. Both get messages about a failure to update a .ICEauthority file.
I don't know what this file is, but it's in your home directory (~/.ICEauthority) and googling for ".ICEauthority" turns up a lot of references to what sounds like your error.
Of course, root can't log in either; and Ctrl-Alt-Delete does only a logout, not a reboot. I hit the reset button. Still no joy.
If you didn't have the terminal, the bug reports indicate how to fix things in general by going to a VT and deleting a file. In the latter case, you'd still have to run g-s-p to disable session saving afterwards, otherwise the same thing would happen again on the next login.
I saw talk of that in one of the bugzilla discussions, and refrained from pointing our there that I haven't the foggiest notion of what is meant by going to Virginia Tech (what VT stands for around here), nor how to do it electronically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
Normally in Fedora, the GUI is on Alt-F1 and you can get to a text console with Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, etc. There is a bug (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503267) where X can end up on something like F7 instead of F1, so if you don't find the GUI working on F1, try the others.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:08:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
That's as may be (I use KDE myself so I confess to a certain amount of schadenfreude :-) but nonetheless the place to bitch about for the moment is the Test list.
Using Gmane to the hilt, I find no test list; but I did find one called testers, and posted there -- or tried to.
Gmane's autoauthorizer sent me the usual invitation to confirm that I exist, and I replied as usual -- but I don't see the post on that list (to which I did subscribe via Gmane) so far.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Beartooth beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:08:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
That's as may be (I use KDE myself so I confess to a certain amount of schadenfreude :-) but nonetheless the place to bitch about for the moment is the Test list.
Using Gmane to the hilt, I find no test list; but I did find one called testers, and posted there -- or tried to.
Gmane's autoauthorizer sent me the usual invitation to confirm that I exist, and I replied as usual -- but I don't see the post on that list (to which I did subscribe via Gmane) so far.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
On 04/27/2011 06:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 04/28/2011 04:16 AM, Beartooth wrote:
Well, I did three in that format, and stopped there, meaning to ask how I leave a workspace blank; but it got me an error message in techtalk over my head about usage. It had to do with schema, path, key, and value -- whatever those are ...
Empty workspaces don't make much sense when workspaces are dynamic but if you want help, you need to give the specific command and output instead of this vague description
Rahul
I run 8 workspaces, 4 across, 2 high. Email on screen 4 (upper right) personal stuff on 8 (lower right) and up to 6 different work tickets on the others. It's important for me to directly access any of them with a click on the panel so I can jump back and forth from ticket to ticket as needed. From what I have seen and heard so far, I'm screwed. Please prove me wrong.
I can't dedicate hardware to try and find workarounds on my own, and Gnome 3 doesn't do Virtualization (yet) so I won't get very far with it.
Chris Kloiber.
On 04/28/2011 10:08 AM, Beartooth wrote:
Is this still the bug? Oe will this release*keep* this work- blocking behavior?? Say it ain't so!
If so, you can always do what I did: found a different DE (in my case XFCE) that suits your needs better. You don't *have* to stick with Gnome, you know.
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 23:31 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
Using Gmane to the hilt, I find no test list; but I did findone called testers, and posted there -- or tried to.
Gmane's autoauthorizer sent me the usual invitation to confirmthat I exist, and I replied as usual -- but I don't see the post on that list (to which I did subscribe via Gmane) so far.
You might want to check for a description of that group's purpose. On a news server, it's common that a "test" newsgroup is for posting test posts to, to check your posting software, without bothering people on a group meant for something else.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:18:21 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:31 PM, I Beartooth beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
Gmane's autoauthorizer sent me the usual invitation to confirm that I exist, and I replied as usual -- but I don't see the post on that list (to which I did subscribe via Gmane) so far.
OK, I jumped through the hoops, and have just confirmed; but my newsreader didn't save a copy of my post. Any hope there's still one floating around fedoraproject somewhere? Or do I have to re-write from scratch? <sigh>
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 00:50:05 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote:
I run 8 workspaces, 4 across, 2 high. Email on screen 4 (upper right) personal stuff on 8 (lower right) and up to 6 different work tickets on the others. It's important for me to directly access any of them with a click on the panel so I can jump back and forth from ticket to ticket as needed. From what I have seen and heard so far, I'm screwed. Please prove me wrong.
Thank you, SIR! That is exactly the kind of thing I do, more lucidly and succinctly described than I'd've been able to do.
Apparently, from this discussion and other hints elsewhere, Gnome3 is unlikely to accommodate the likes of us any time soon. Can anyone recommend an alternative, or a workaround? (Would it be feasible in F15, for instance, to do "yum install metacity"?)
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 00:50:05 -0400, Chris Kloiber ckloiber@ckloiber.com wrote:
the others. It's important for me to directly access any of them with a click on the panel so I can jump back and forth from ticket to ticket as needed. From what I have seen and heard so far, I'm screwed. Please prove me wrong.
This works in fallback mode now on F15.
On 04/29/2011 12:29 PM, BeartoothHOS wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 00:50:05 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote:
I run 8 workspaces, 4 across, 2 high. Email on screen 4 (upper right) personal stuff on 8 (lower right) and up to 6 different work tickets on the others. It's important for me to directly access any of them with a click on the panel so I can jump back and forth from ticket to ticket as needed. From what I have seen and heard so far, I'm screwed. Please prove me wrong.
Thank you, SIR! That is exactly the kind of thing I do, more lucidly and succinctly described than I'd've been able to do.
Apparently, from this discussion and other hints elsewhere, Gnome3 is unlikely to accommodate the likes of us any time soon. Can anyone recommend an alternative, or a workaround? (Would it be feasible in F15, for instance, to do "yum install metacity"?)
I don't understand how this a big problem in gnome3? It creates as many workspaces as you could possibly ever need, as you need them. If you only need 3 that day, you have 3, or if you need 15, you get 15. All you gotta do is press the super key -> click on the workspace.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:37:20 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:
Nope, alas! I get a picture of a sad face on a screen, telling me "Oh no, something has gone wrong." [....]
If you didn't have the terminal, the bug reports indicate how to fix things in general by going to a VT and deleting a file. In the latter case, you'd still have to run g-s-p to disable session saving afterwards, otherwise the same thing would happen again on the next login.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
Normally in Fedora, the GUI is on Alt-F1 and you can get to a text console with Ctrl-Alt-F2, Ctrl-Alt-F3, etc. There is a bug (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503267) where X can end up on something like F7 instead of F1, so if you don't find the GUI working on F1, try the others.
On the login from the login screen, the unhappy computer pic is still there. However, I now have two routes open to prompts. One is essentially a form of the above.
Also, from another machine on my LAN, I did ssh -Y; it produced a non-GUI connection from which, both as user and as root, gnome-session- properties produces :
** (gnome-session-properties:25660): WARNING **: Unable to start: Cannot open display:
(with nothing else after "display:" on its line, and a fresh prompt on the line below.)
I experimented a little, but if what I got tells anyone anything, I'd be glad to know it. Here it is :
[root@Hbsk1 ~]# startx xauth: creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.27151 xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority
Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again.
Please consult the Fedora Project support at http://wiki.x.org for help.
Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keygiving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. [root@Hbsk1 ~]# rm /tmp/.X0-lock rm: remove regular file `/tmp/.X0-lock'? y [root@Hbsk1 ~]# startx xauth: creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.27265
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:38:21 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:31 PM, I Beartooth beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
OK, I jumped through the hoops, and have just confirmed; but my newsreader didn't save a copy of my post. Any hope there's still one floating around fedoraproject somewhere? Or do I have to re-write from scratch? <sigh>
I didn't find one, and posted from scratch, announcing the existence of this thread here. There has been an acknowledgement from James Laska, linking to a discussion in today's (4/29) blocker review meeting.
At this point, methinks the best counsel is to wait a day or three.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:39:51 -0400, Nathan Forbes me.lists@nathanforbes.com wrote:
I don't understand how this a big problem in gnome3? It creates as many workspaces as you could possibly ever need, as you need them. If you only need 3 that day, you have 3, or if you need 15, you get 15. All you gotta do is press the super key -> click on the workspace.
The idea is that the same workspace would have the same app running in it. When you create and delete workspaces as needed, it breaks this way of doing things.
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:10:28 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
The idea is that the same workspace would have the same app running in it. When you create and delete workspaces as needed, it breaks this way of doing things.
Let me amplify a little. Given that consistency -- forums are always on a browser in workspace #4, say (except that you don't think of it as #4, but as "that square there" -- your fingers soon learn to take you to them, the same way they learn touch typing. That eliminates a lot of distraction, and lets you work much more efficiently.
This new thing, no matter how they euphemize it, will turn my computer into an analog of my physical desktop, on which not even the gods of chaos can find anything in the paperstorm.
Take a look at the post by Chris Kloiber, about three hours before yours.
Chris Kloiber wrote:
I run 8 workspaces, 4 across, 2 high. Email on screen 4 (upper right) personal stuff on 8 (lower right) and up to 6 different work tickets on the others. It's important for me to directly access any of them with a click on the panel so I can jump back and forth from ticket to ticket as needed. From what I have seen and heard so far, I'm screwed. Please prove me wrong.
I understand it is possible: * to assign keyboard shortcuts to take you to a particular workspace: (Windows / Super / Menu) plus number has been suggested. * to use the Windows key to bring up the overview mode, which may be faster than going to the top left corner then the right-hand side of the screen. * to install gnome-shell-extensions-auto-move-windows, which: Lets you manage your workspaces more easily, assigning a specific workspace to each application as soon as it creates a window, in a manner configurable with a GSettings key.
As other people have indicated, you may find that having as many workspaces as needed, rather than being artificially limited to six, is a major bonus. You may also find that the overview graphical preview of your workspaces is much more useful than the Gnome 2 one, since it will show you a lot more clearly what is in each workspace.
Hope this helps,
James.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 18:17:18 +0100, James Wilkinson fedora@aprilcottage.co.uk wrote:
As other people have indicated, you may find that having as many workspaces as needed, rather than being artificially limited to six, is a major bonus. You may also find that the overview graphical preview of your workspaces is much more useful than the Gnome 2 one, since it will show you a lot more clearly what is in each workspace.
On the otherhand it also shows anyone working with you at your desktop more clearly what is going on in other windows, which isn't always a good thing.
On 04/30/2011 01:17 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
Chris Kloiber wrote:
I run 8 workspaces, 4 across, 2 high. Email on screen 4 (upper right) personal stuff on 8 (lower right) and up to 6 different work tickets on the others. It's important for me to directly access any of them with a click on the panel so I can jump back and forth from ticket to ticket as needed. From what I have seen and heard so far, I'm screwed. Please prove me wrong.
I understand it is possible:
- to assign keyboard shortcuts to take you to a particular workspace: (Windows / Super / Menu) plus number has been suggested.
- to use the Windows key to bring up the overview mode, which may be faster than going to the top left corner then the right-hand side of the screen.
- to install gnome-shell-extensions-auto-move-windows, which: Lets you manage your workspaces more easily, assigning a specific workspace to each application as soon as it creates a window, in a manner configurable with a GSettings key.
As other people have indicated, you may find that having as many workspaces as needed, rather than being artificially limited to six, is a major bonus. You may also find that the overview graphical preview of your workspaces is much more useful than the Gnome 2 one, since it will show you a lot more clearly what is in each workspace.
Hope this helps,
James.
Thank you, but I'll pass. I have since found that the magic incantation in fallback mode is to use ALT when right clicking on the Gnome-Panel will give me all the old options like adding things, moving things, etc. Now all I need to discover is how to change the system theme to not be what appears to be "black on black" so I can get the colors correct. Then Fallback mode may just be usable. Let Gnome3 simmer for a few releases to see if all the pointy edges (read: painful changes) get fixed.
Oh, and I don't do a "Windows" key. My keyboard was made in Feb.1988 for a PC-XT, and has been upgraded to PS/2 or USB as needed. I like the IBM Model-M "clicky" keys, and the idea that it's built solid enough to deflect bullets. (a little bit anyway... B^)
BTW- How would "gnome-shell-extensions-auto-move-windows" handle that I want a different Firefox window in practically all of my workspaces, and I want the same Pidgin to show up the "current" workspace, and follow me around? And if I want Thunderbird in workspace #4 before setting up magic workspaces 2 and 3?
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