On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Robert Moskowitzrgm@htt-consult.com wrote:

I am doing yet another install, this time on a Dell SFF with an internal CD.

I want to do a network install from my local repo.

With older Redhat stuff, I did a 'linux askmethod' at the enter prompt.  I have noticed with FC10, that I would frequently not be given the chance to press enter, let alone type in the above command, but I would be given a menu that would allow me to supply a URL anyway.

Well on this system I go right to the menu about install/recover/bootlocal/memcheck and from here it goes into the install from CD without ever being given the option to provide the URL of my local repo.  Even if I let it go all the way to where you can provide which repos to load from, I cannot see how to point the installation repo to my network one.

I have tried various combinations of F1, F2, F3 at that startup menu, but I never can get it to a point to let me provide the URL of my repo.

Am I going to have to use a USB CD drive to trick it?

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Try with the TAB key as suggested here. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Instal...

~af

I am now trying a FC11 install, I tried the recommendation below that worked with FC10, to press tab then enter askmethod. But this did not work. It went right along to install from CD, not giving me the option to point it to my local http repo server....

Aldo Foot wrote:

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Robert Moskowitzrgm@htt-consult.com wrote:

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I am doing yet another install, this time on a Dell SFF with an internal CD.

I want to do a network install from my local repo.

With older Redhat stuff, I did a 'linux askmethod' at the enter prompt. I have noticed with FC10, that I would frequently not be given the chance to press enter, let alone type in the above command, but I would be given a menu that would allow me to supply a URL anyway.

Well on this system I go right to the menu about install/recover/bootlocal/memcheck and from here it goes into the install from CD without ever being given the option to provide the URL of my local repo. Even if I let it go all the way to where you can provide which repos to load from, I cannot see how to point the installation repo to my network one.

I have tried various combinations of F1, F2, F3 at that startup menu, but I never can get it to a point to let me provide the URL of my repo.

Am I going to have to use a USB CD drive to trick it?

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Try with the TAB key as suggested here. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Instal...

~af

Kam Leo wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:

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I am now trying a FC11 install, I tried the recommendation below that worked with FC10, to press tab then enter askmethod. But this did not work. It went right along to install from CD, not giving me the option to point it to my local http repo server....

Aldo Foot wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Robert Moskowitzrgm@htt-consult.com wrote:

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I am doing yet another install, this time on a Dell SFF with an internal CD.

I want to do a network install from my local repo.

With older Redhat stuff, I did a 'linux askmethod' at the enter prompt. I have noticed with FC10, that I would frequently not be given the chance to press enter, let alone type in the above command, but I would be given a menu that would allow me to supply a URL anyway.

Well on this system I go right to the menu about install/recover/bootlocal/memcheck and from here it goes into the install from CD without ever being given the option to provide the URL of my local repo. Even if I let it go all the way to where you can provide which repos to load from, I cannot see how to point the installation repo to my network one.

I have tried various combinations of F1, F2, F3 at that startup menu, but I never can get it to a point to let me provide the URL of my repo.

Am I going to have to use a USB CD drive to trick it?

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Try with the TAB key as suggested here.

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Instal...

~af

I have no problem with either the F11 net-install CD or DVD. Which one of the ISO images (Live-CD, CD-disc 1, net-install, or DVD) did you use?

It is the FC11 CD 1 that I downloaded back in August.

I hit tab, got the prompt for the image load (don't have it in front of me, so I don't have exact details), entered:

<space>askmethod

and pressed <enter> and it went on its merry way, not asking for any method....

I can try again...

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:08 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Now I have to figure out how to deal with the small screen that the Eee 701 has...

---- check out what I do with my Acer Aspire One https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One#xorg.conf

1024x600 screen I run virtual at 1280x1024. It works really well.

Craig

Jim wrote:

On 10/29/2009 05:08 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

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Robert Moskowitz wrote:

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Kam Leo wrote:

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:

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I am now trying a FC11 install, I tried the recommendation below that worked with FC10, to press tab then enter askmethod. But this did not work. It went right along to install from CD, not giving me the option to point it to my local http repo server....

Aldo Foot wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Robert Moskowitzrgm@htt-consult.com wrote:

> I am doing yet another install, this time on a Dell SFF with an > internal > CD. > > I want to do a network install from my local repo. > > With older Redhat stuff, I did a 'linux askmethod' at the enter > prompt. > I > have noticed with FC10, that I would frequently not be given the > chance > to > press enter, let alone type in the above command, but I would be > given a > menu that would allow me to supply a URL anyway. > > Well on this system I go right to the menu about > install/recover/bootlocal/memcheck and from here it goes into > the install > from CD without ever being given the option to provide the URL > of my > local > repo. Even if I let it go all the way to where you can provide > which > repos > to load from, I cannot see how to point the installation repo to my > network > one. > > I have tried various combinations of F1, F2, F3 at that startup > menu, but > I > never can get it to a point to let me provide the URL of my repo. > > Am I going to have to use a USB CD drive to trick it? > > _____

Try with the TAB key as suggested here.

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Instal...

~af

I have no problem with either the F11 net-install CD or DVD. Which one of the ISO images (Live-CD, CD-disc 1, net-install, or DVD) did you use?

It is the FC11 CD 1 that I downloaded back in August.

I hit tab, got the prompt for the image load (don't have it in front of me, so I don't have exact details), entered:

<space>askmethod

and pressed <enter> and it went on its merry way, not asking for any method....

I can try again...

And this time it 'worked'.

Now I have to figure out how to deal with the small screen that the Eee 701 has...

I hav a E 701, you won't have any problem , just be sure it's setup for 800x600.

Well I regularly did not see the bottom of the screen, and just 'knew' to press <alt-N> to move to the next screen. Fortunately all the important stuff for Disk Druid is on the top. But when it came to custom software install, I could only unclick office productivity and go with that, as the field for 'customize now' was off the screen, and I did not remember what the keystroke for it is.

And isn't the E 701 800x480?

What is going on under the covers while the progress bar for 'Starting install process. This may take several minutes'?

On my Asus ee 701 it has been going for over an hour and only 3/4 done....

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 20:10 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

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What is going on under the covers while the progress bar for 'Starting install process. This may take several minutes'?

On my Asus ee 701 it has been going for over an hour and only 3/4 done....

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is this an upgrade? if so, walk away, don't watch because it takes a very long time to upgrade.

I am doing an install. There was nothing of value, well, about 100Mb of files that I copied to USB and I want what a clean FC11 would be.

But I did walk away. I just happened to glance over at it from this laptop's screen and saw where it was. Now it is doing the 1000+ package install, and that I know will take a couple hours.

Just what was the setup startup? The partitions where already formatted.

On Friday 30 October 2009 10:31:49 Robert Moskowitz wrote:

At times I find I need to login as root.

For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session. Look at all the errors generated. And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session. So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root.

So in FC10, I learned to edit (with VI cause at least THAT works in the SU terminal session) /etc/pam.d/gdm and trim off the end of the 2nd line that has pam_succeed_if.so

Well I did that, and logged out as me and could not log in as root. So I rebooted (perhaps needed to restart some service) and still could not log in as root.

So what is the magic incantation this time around? And why is it getting harder to enable this?

To make things more user-friendly ;-)

Sigh.

Do the same edit on /etc/pam.d/gdm-password

Tony

2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com:

At times I find I need to login as root.

You really don't.

For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session.  Look at all the errors generated.  And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey.  There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session.  So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root.

I think you need to understand the difference between "su" and "su -".

But really you need to get to grips with "sudo" as a better replacement for "su".

Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier.

1/ "su -" to become root. 2/ "visudo" to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the "wheel" group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit "/etc/groups" to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from "su -".

From that stage on, I never need "su" again. I can do anything I want

(without the errors that you're seeing) using "sudo some_command".

hth,

Dave...

2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com:

Dave Cross wrote:

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2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com:

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At times I find I need to login as root.

You really don't.

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For example, as a regular user su to root, then start gedit from that terminal session.  Look at all the errors generated.  And at least in FC10, I could still change preferences, but in FC11, they all come up grey. There are other things in gnome that don't launch right from an SUed terminal session.  So when I want to 'fix' things, I find it better to just log in as root.

I think you need to understand the difference between "su" and "su -".

But really you need to get to grips with "sudo" as a better replacement for "su".

Steps I always take on a new Fedora box to make my life easier.

1/ "su -" to become root. 2/ "visudo" to edit the sudoers file. 3/ Uncomment the first line referencing the "wheel" group. 4/ Save the file. 5/ Edit "/etc/groups" to add myself to the wheel group. 6/ Exit from "su -".

Is this better than just adding your userid to the sudoers file?

There's almost certainly a good reason for doing it this way that I've forgotten in the mists of time. Some ideas that spring to mind:

* This has been a standard Unix approach for as long as I can remember. I was doing this on HP-UX systems almost twenty years ago. * I can use the same method on my own desktop as I use on a larger system where I want to give rights to multiple people. * I only need to edit sudoers once. From then on I can control permissions simply by editing membership of the group (which can be done with a GUI tool as well as by editing the text file).

And I will have to learn a bit about the difference between 'su' and 'su -'.

"su -" gives you a login shell. So it's as though you actually logged on as root. "su" just changes the user. It doesn't, for example, give you root's PATH.

Let us know if you have any more questions.

Dave...

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.comwrote:

With just an editor like VI? I went to System>Administer>'Users and Groups' and went to the Groups tab. Wheel is NOT listed there.

When you have User Manager open, go to Edit -> Preferences and uncheck the box that says "Hide System Users and Groups".

I have just completed a new install on my ASUS ee 701 and now am trying to do a yum update. I am hitting some missing dependencies. I will TRY and get them all here, reading from one screen and typing here...

python-nose by numpy kasumi by ibus-anthy python-enchant by ibus-pinyin jline by rhino

yum suggests I use 0--skip-broken 'to work around the problem'

Recommendations please?

Mark Perew wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:

With just an editor like VI?   I went to System>Administer>'Users
and Groups' and went to the Groups tab.  Wheel is NOT listed there.

When you have User Manager open, go to Edit -> Preferences and uncheck the box that says "Hide System Users and Groups".

hmm.

Did that. No additional groups. Pressed refresh and the whirlybird has been going for over 5 min, and nothing in /var/log/messages to say what is wrong.

I am logged in as root. What I did was init to 3, then did a startx.

So I killed the program and tried to restart it. It starts then terminates. And no messages.

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Don't hijack threads. Changing the Subject line is not enough.

poc

Um, what did I miss?

I don't see in my original message what I hijacked?

Yes, I will 'admit' that to get the fedora address, I clicked on reply to a posting. Then deleted the complete text of the message and changed the subject.

So what did Thunderbird leave of the original message, because I can't see anything in the message I have in my folder...

suvayu ali wrote:

Hi Robert,

2009/10/30 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com:

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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

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Don't hijack threads. Changing the Subject line is not enough.

poc

Um, what did I miss?

I don't see in my original message what I hijacked?

Yes, I will 'admit' that to get the fedora address, I clicked on reply to a posting. Then deleted the complete text of the message and changed the subject.

So what did Thunderbird leave of the original message, because I can't see anything in the message I have in my folder...

The threading still stays, so your message gets buried inside the original thread. This makes it difficult both for responder to find your message and for you to get prompt help as it doesn't appear as a new thread in many email clients. If you had right clicked the fedora-list address and clicked "compose mail to", this would have created a new thread.

But then I have to open the message first! Yeah I get lazy. :)

I hope this clarifies Patrick's objection.

One of the things I dislike about Thunderbird is the way it hides headers and how hard it is to show them, even with the couple of plugins I've got. I miss Eudora and 'YadaYada' button. I guess I have forgotten a lot about SMTP; Dave Crocker would raze me, but I have no intention of telling him!