Greetings,
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
Anyone else?
Hardware/Software basic deets: Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. 1TB Samsung Solid state drive 8GB RAM F32 - everything has been updated
Max Pyziur pyz@brama.com
Interesting, how lately? I have a similarly-aged XPS 13 with an i7 processor and it has not crashed. I am on F32. I also have a more recent (2018) XPS 13 which I am using all the time nowadays but no issues there also from what I can tell.
Ranjan
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Max Pyziur pyz@brama.com wrote:
Greetings,
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
Anyone else?
Hardware/Software basic deets: Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. 1TB Samsung Solid state drive 8GB RAM F32 - everything has been updated
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On Mon, 18 May 2020, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Interesting, how lately? I have a similarly-aged XPS 13 with an i7 processor and it has not crashed. I am on F32. I also have a more recent (2018) XPS 13 which I am using all the time nowadays but no issues there also from what I can tell.
The browser doesn't crash; only the tabs. So in that way, it's more of a nuisance rather than a disruption.
Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then.
Ranjan
MP
On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Max Pyziur pyz@brama.com wrote:
Greetings,
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
Anyone else?
Hardware/Software basic deets: Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. 1TB Samsung Solid state drive 8GB RAM F32 - everything has been updated
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On 5/18/20 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Interesting, how lately? I have a similarly-aged XPS 13 with an i7 processor and it has not crashed. I am on F32. I also have a more recent (2018) XPS 13 which I am using all the time nowadays but no issues there also from what I can tell.
The browser doesn't crash; only the tabs. So in that way, it's more of a nuisance rather than a disruption.
Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then.
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/18/20 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Interesting, how lately? I have a similarly-aged XPS 13 with an i7 processor and it has not crashed. I am on F32. I also have a more recent (2018) XPS 13 which I am using all the time nowadays but no issues there also from what I can tell.
The browser doesn't crash; only the tabs. So in that way, it's more of a nuisance rather than a disruption.
Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then.
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
It seems ok: pyz@pegasus> free -k total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7698132 4723620 1237612 642556 1736900 1983268 Swap: 0 0 0
Not too shabby.
I imagine if more tabs are operating (generally dormant), then memory usage goes up.
MP
On 5/18/20 1:46 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/18/20 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then.
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
It seems ok: pyz@pegasus> free -k total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 7698132 4723620 1237612 642556 1736900 1983268 Swap: 0 0 0
Not too shabby.
I imagine if more tabs are operating (generally dormant), then memory usage goes up.
I would expect that having no swap is likely to make the oom killer more sensitive. You could try disabling it to see if the tab crashing stops.
On 2020-05-19 04:24, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/18/20 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Interesting, how lately? I have a similarly-aged XPS 13 with an i7 processor and it has not crashed. I am on F32. I also have a more recent (2018) XPS 13 which I am using all the time nowadays but no issues there also from what I can tell.
The browser doesn't crash; only the tabs. So in that way, it's more of a nuisance rather than a disruption.
Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then.
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
Keep in mind that earlyoom installs only applies to new installs.
If one is upgrading from an earlier version of Fedora it won't be automatically installed. Nor is it installed on all spins.
My work system which has been upgraded from at least F27.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ ls /lib/systemd/system/earlyoom.service ls: cannot access '/lib/systemd/system/earlyoom.service': No such file or directory
a freshly installed F32 KDE spin.
[egreshko@f32k ~]$ ls /lib/systemd/system/earlyoom.service ls: cannot access '/lib/systemd/system/earlyoom.service': No such file or directory
a freshly installed F32 Workstation.
[egreshko@f32g ~]$ ls /lib/systemd/system/earlyoom.service /lib/systemd/system/earlyoom.service
On 5/18/20 4:37 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 2020-05-19 04:24, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/18/20 1:21 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Interesting, how lately? I have a similarly-aged XPS 13 with an i7 processor and it has not crashed. I am on F32. I also have a more recent (2018) XPS 13 which I am using all the time nowadays but no issues there also from what I can tell.
The browser doesn't crash; only the tabs. So in that way, it's more of a nuisance rather than a disruption.
Generally, I have lot of tabs open; also, once in a while I use a large spreadsheet. The instability that I have described happens then.
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
Keep in mind that earlyoom installs only applies to new installs.
Ok, then it could still be the regular oom killer. You would have to keep an eye on the memory levels to see if there's a correlation with the tabs going away.
I have an up-to-date Firefox on F31 and I've recently had the entire browser crash a couple of times. I have significant swap usage, but it appeared to be a crash, not a memory kill.
On 2020-05-19 07:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Ok, then it could still be the regular oom killer. You would have to keep an eye on the memory levels to see if there's a correlation with the tabs going away.
I have an up-to-date Firefox on F31 and I've recently had the entire browser crash a couple of times. I have significant swap usage, but it appeared to be a crash, not a memory kill.
One can always check the journal.
The entries as a result of doing "tail /dev/zero" and no earlyoom running, just oom_reaper were
May 19 12:39:35 f32k.greshko.com kernel: tail invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x100dca(GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE|__GFP_ZERO), order=0, oom_score_adj=0 May 19 12:39:36 f32k.greshko.com kernel: oom_kill_process.cold+0xb/0x10 May 19 12:39:36 f32k.greshko.com kernel: [ pid ] uid tgid total_vm rss pgtables_bytes swapents oom_score_adj name May 19 12:39:36 f32k.greshko.com kernel: oom-kill:constraint=CONSTRAINT_NONE,nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0,global_oom,task_memcg=/user.slice/user-1026.slice/session-2.scope,task=tail,pid=974,uid=1026 May 19 12:39:36 f32k.greshko.com kernel: Out of memory: Killed process 974 (tail) total-vm:3611260kB, anon-rss:960900kB, file-rss:128kB, shmem-rss:0kB, UID:1026 pgtables:6712kB oom_score_adj:0 May 19 12:39:36 f32k.greshko.com kernel: oom_reaper: reaped process 974 (tail), now anon-rss:0kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB
On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 07:37 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
Keep in mind that earlyoom installs only applies to new installs.
If one is upgrading from an earlier version of Fedora it won't be automatically installed. Nor is it
installed on all spins.
My system was upgraded from F31 to F32 and does have earlyoom installed and running. I have never installed it myself and indeed wasn't even aware of it before reading this thread. This is Fedora Workstation, though I actually use KDE.
poc
On 2020-05-19 18:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 07:37 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
Keep in mind that earlyoom installs only applies to new installs.
If one is upgrading from an earlier version of Fedora it won't be automatically installed. Nor is it
installed on all spins.
My system was upgraded from F31 to F32 and does have earlyoom installed and running. I have never installed it myself and indeed wasn't even aware of it before reading this thread. This is Fedora Workstation, though I actually use KDE.
OK, then maybe it is added to Workstation on the upgrade. I suppose you can verify that by looking at the dnf history for the upgrade.
I've not done an upgrade of a Workstation edition as of yet.
Either way, one can look at the journal to see if either the oom_reaper or earlyoom has terminated a process.
Keep in mind if it does not "crash" and you have enough swap that the machine will just get so slow as to be useless.
On my firefox leaving the weather channel up will result in that "tab" eating all of my memory. This morning it had 3.1GB when I killed it (10GB machine), and I have had it drive several GB in swap basically hanging the machine so bad a power cycle is the fastest solution. The weather channel paged for me has a been a problem for months. It could be a firefox bug or it could be something specific to the web page causing it. There are likely other web pages that have the exact same issue.
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:17 AM Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 2020-05-19 18:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 07:37 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
What's the memory usage? F32 enabled the faster oom killer: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom
Keep in mind that earlyoom installs only applies to new installs.
If one is upgrading from an earlier version of Fedora it won't be automatically installed. Nor is it
installed on all spins.
My system was upgraded from F31 to F32 and does have earlyoom installed and running. I have never installed it myself and indeed wasn't even aware of it before reading this thread. This is Fedora Workstation, though I actually use KDE.
OK, then maybe it is added to Workstation on the upgrade. I suppose you can verify that by looking at the dnf history for the upgrade.
I've not done an upgrade of a Workstation edition as of yet.
Either way, one can look at the journal to see if either the oom_reaper or earlyoom has terminated a process.
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On 2020-05-19 23:05, Roger Heflin wrote:
Keep in mind if it does not "crash" and you have enough swap that the machine will just get so slow as to be useless.
And that is exactly the type of problem earlyoom is trying to solve.
Users should also be aware that, by default, earlyoom is called with
Preferring to kill process names that match regex '^Web Content$'
With "Web Content" being a firefox thing. Other web browsers are not immune to eating up excessive memory due to number of tabs open and the content being served. So, if you're not a firefox user and you'd rather earlyoom kill one of your tabs instead of picking some other application you may be running you'd need to adjust the setting.
You also may wish to add to the --avoid list.
Thanks for mentioning that, I did not know there was now a tool to take care of this job.
The default for earlyoom won't fix that issue if you have enough swap space defined. it defaults to don't TERM until 50% of swap is left. My machine is swapping on SSD and the machine is mosly useless once it gets less than 1gbyte into swap.
I have added an option on one of my machines that has seen issues often (only 10GB ram) to -s 95,95 so it will allow a little bit of swap before killing.
I will refresh the web page I know will act up within a day or 2 and see if it kills it fast enough.
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:55 AM Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 2020-05-19 23:05, Roger Heflin wrote:
Keep in mind if it does not "crash" and you have enough swap that the machine will just get so slow as to be useless.
And that is exactly the type of problem earlyoom is trying to solve.
Users should also be aware that, by default, earlyoom is called with
Preferring to kill process names that match regex '^Web Content$'
With "Web Content" being a firefox thing. Other web browsers are not immune to eating up excessive memory due to number of tabs open and the content being served. So, if you're not a firefox user and you'd rather earlyoom kill one of your tabs instead of picking some other application you may be running you'd need to adjust the setting.
You also may wish to add to the --avoid list.
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On 5/18/20 12:00 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
Greetings,
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
Anyone else?
Hardware/Software basic deets: Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. 1TB Samsung Solid state drive 8GB RAM F32 - everything has been updated
I'm experiencing the same thing on a fully upgraded ubuntu xfce4 desktop setup. Moving to the firefox beta didn't solve the problem.
I started to get frequent tabs crashes from the moment I recently moved to new laptop. Lenovo E14 Gen 2 with Ryzen 4500U has Firefox tab crash often with the same 16GB which had no problems on oldish Dell Latitude with Intel Gen 6th.
cheers, L.
On 18/05/2020 20:00, Max Pyziur wrote:
Greetings,
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
Anyone else?
Hardware/Software basic deets: Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. 1TB Samsung Solid state drive 8GB RAM F32 - everything has been updated
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in my own case it was: media.hardware-video-decoding.force-enabled true on my ThinkPad with Ryzen 4500U
On 28/09/2020 13:41, lejeczek via users wrote:
I started to get frequent tabs crashes from the moment I recently moved to new laptop. Lenovo E14 Gen 2 with Ryzen 4500U has Firefox tab crash often with the same 16GB which had no problems on oldish Dell Latitude with Intel Gen 6th.
cheers, L.
On 18/05/2020 20:00, Max Pyziur wrote:
Greetings,
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
Anyone else?
Hardware/Software basic deets: Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013. 1TB Samsung Solid state drive 8GB RAM F32 - everything has been updated
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On 5/18/20 12:00 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.
I recently had a user with a similar problem. Her gmail tab kept crashing. I upgraded her Firefox from 79 to 80 and it didn't happen again.
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