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SATA optical drives
by David Fletcher 14 Jul '22

14 Jul '22

I'm currently running FC5, will probably upgrade to F7 in a couple of months. Unfortunately my CD/DVD rewriter appears to have died, before it's even seen a dual layer disk :'( SATA hard drives run without problems for me, but now that SATA optical drives are starting to appear in the shops, would it be OK to buy one of these and get rid of another wide ribbon cable? Is anybody already running them with Fedora? Thanks for any advice/experiences. Dave F

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[FC8] ssh and CAC card???
by Todd Denniston 12 Jul '22

12 Jul '22

From what I understood, the change to openssh listed in: rpm -q --changelog openssh |less as: "* Wed Jun 20 2007 Tomas Mraz <tmraz(a)redhat.com> - 4.5p1-7 - experimental NSS keys support - correctly setup context when empty level requested (#234951) " was supposed to allow the Common Access Card (CAC) to work with the shipped Fedora 8 ssh. As per NSS usual, everything is undocumented, i.e., `ssh-add --help` does not help at all, and `man ssh-add` points to `ssh-add -s reader` # ssh-add -s 0 Enter passphrase for smartcard: SSH_AGENT_FAILURE Could not add card: 0 # ssh-add -s 1 Enter passphrase for smartcard: SSH_AGENT_FAILURE Could not add card: 1 So does anyone know how to use the possible functionality, or are we reduced to reading the source? -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

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Changing date with procmail
by Michael A. Peters 08 Jun '22

08 Jun '22

Anyone know of a procmail recipe to change the date on incoming messages? If the date is in the future by more than 24 hours - I'd like to just change it to the current date. If the date is in the past by more than two weeks - I'd like to just change it to the current date. I'd like to do it in procmail - if someone knows how. I've done some searching, still have some to do. Found some stuff on extracting the date, but not on modifying it if necessary.

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Re: Backing up system
by gmspro 02 Feb '21

02 Feb '21

Hi, http://www.sysresccd.org/Download With the SystemRescueCd I backed up the /dev/sda6 partition in /mnt/backup/ naming "diskimage" After backing up operation the file has the automatic extension like "diskimage.000". Is this file ok to restore? If I name it "diskimage.gz" then it is automatically renamed with this extension "diskimage.gz.000" But here below http://www.sysresccd.org/Screenshots the file is name like this: "diskimage.pimg" Do I have to name with the .pimg extension during backup to restore correctly? And how can I restore it?

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VPN options
by Keith Lofstrom 08 Nov '19

08 Nov '19

I am planning on running a Virtual Private Network from my Fedora firewall out to a UML virtual colo (running RH9) at another site. That site will be the place I present services to the world; httpd, ssh, sftp, smtp. This is to comply with the "no servers" and dynamic ip restrictions on my Comcast connection to the net; if my firewall always drives an outbound connection to the colocation site, I am not worried about changes of ip address, and I am not opening any inbound ports. There are a number of options for the VPN - the most attractive are cipe ( http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html ) and FreeSwan ( http://www.freeswan.org/ ), though I am told that one can do all this through an ssh tunnel. I would rather have simple and secure than super-duper; I have plenty of bandwidth, and will send outbound http and smtp from the firewall, so the main bandwidth user will be incoming spam/b/b/b/b mail. Anyone have some experiences to share about setting up VPN? Is there anything about either cipe or FreeSwan that is likely to break with FC1 or FC2? Keith -- Keith Lofstrom keithl(a)ieee.org Voice (503)-520-1993 KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon" Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

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Re: Why Fedora is for experts only?
by R. G. Newbury 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

gilpel(a)altern.org wrote: > R. G. Newbury wrote: >> > Even better are the stupid messes where there is NO default setting to >> > change. Google 'kstartupconfig4 error 3' No-one, and I mean no-one knows >> > what causes this, or how to fix it. > > It seems somebody at the Fedora Forum had the same problem and solved it: > > http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%… > > http://minilien.com/?s9wh5OnNYI > > You might also want to try without the "Solved" keyword. There are more > results and sometimes people forget to add "Solved". > >> > It is the lack of documentation which makes Fedora (and Mandriva, and >> > Ubuntu) an OS for experts only..... > > It could indeed be better but geeks will always come up with the right > keyworks and show you the solution was there, somewhere. > > It's easier to find the right keywords when you know the solution :) I wasn't searching using "Solved" and the only keyword 'kstartupconfig4' And *that* answer does not work. My home dir was already 'user:user'. I have also confirmed the chcon context is now 'unconfined_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0' for /home/user And it doesn't work! Still get the error and no login. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes."

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Re: Why Fedora is for experts only?
by R. G. Newbury 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

On 07/24/2009 06:29 PM, gilpel(a)altern.org wrote <snip> > I'm trying to figure out what our great experts would lose if there was a > pause for choosing the kernel. If they don't like this setting, they > wouldn't have to use vi, just the Administration menu. All it takes is a > few seconds and, thereafter, they would never have to suffer a pause when > they reboot every six month. > > What's the name of the guy responsible for this mess? Can you imagine > proselytizing Mac users and having to make sure they understand they will > have to change a default setting, otherwise, they may be locked out of > their system? Even better are the stupid messes where there is NO default setting to change. Google 'kstartupconfig4 error 3' No-one, and I mean no-one knows what causes this, or how to fix it. (Well, if there IS a 'great expert' who knows this, he's not talking). And what happens when you get this error? You cannot log in as a normal user. So I've been forced to log in as root for well over a month now on this laptop. (Quick! Get the smelling salts! A grey-bearded pony-tailed guru just fainted with an attack of the vapours!) And the problem has existed since I "upgraded" to F11...I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the /home partition was retained from F10 and that the chcon context might have something to do with it, but then, like pulseaudio, chcon has entirely too minimal a set of documentation. And I didn't even know chcon existed until a week ago, when it turned up as the possible source/answer to a completely different question about httpd. It is the lack of documentation which makes Fedora (and Mandriva, and Ubuntu) an OS for experts only..... Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes."

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 10:32 PM > 'Tonio wrote: > > > Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook > and others. In a > > last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code > to linux. Check out > > this at distrowatch. > > > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 > > Since Linux is strongon th server market, they want to > attract them to > Hyper-V, from what I've read. So? > > > BTW, Redhat also signed a deal with them, are they > > really falling off > > Red Hat signed "a contract" and Suse signed "a contract", > so Red Hat ans > Suse are just the same for both signing "a contract". > > Which "a contract" have both companies signed? > > -- The stories about Microsoft releasing code, was more of a another way to cover up for a GPL violation :( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_hyperv_gpl_violation/ http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result… Not really because Micro$oft wants to help out a rival or a plague like Steve Ballmer once said. The truth comes out sooner or later. Regards, Antonio

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 11:33 PM > > On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 08:08 > +0500, gilpel(a)altern.org > wrote: > >> Excuse me for being rude > > > > No. > > > > Oh, and I'm middle-aged, and run a debt free > business. Being doing so > > for over twenty years. i.e. I live in the real > world, and one that's > > well managed. > > > > The one needing to get a clue, here, is you. You > ONLY speak for > > yourself, and opinions are NOT facts. > > I was just about to go to bed but this message kept > haunting me. There's > lots of truth in what you say here: why care about anything > but the facts > and be haunted by questions instead of facts? Sometimes I > really wished I > was like you... > > Microsoft has 90% of market share, Linux only 1% and people > at Microsoft > certainly are very glad. So, why should we be sad? Wouldn't > this be giving > Microsoft an edge in gladness? > > And if, tomorrow, Linux only has only .01% of the desktop > market, would > that be any reason to be sad? Of course not, since you and > the codec geeks > -- they'll undoubtedly be the last! -- will always hold the > flag. So, > you'll be glad not to be bothered by know-nothing like me > and Microsoft... > will they ever be glad! > > Once again, everybody will be glad. So why worry, be > happy! > > Still, a last question keeps haunting me. No doubt, by now, > since it's all > well documented facts, you've read "From Microsoft Word to > Microsoft > World". In this document, Newman explains how, using its > proprietary > formats, Microsoft got rid of pretty much all competition. > It brought > every company to their knees, thn, bought and scrapped them > one after the > other. > > Of course, Microsoft can't play this game with Linux, since > Linux uses... > or tries to use open formats. Still, sometimes I wonder if, > with all the > money it has, Microsoft couldn't find a way to keep the cap > on Linux. You > know, keep it at an acceptable level of nuisance, say, 1% > of market share > after 18 years. > > Arrrgh! I'm afraid that's what I'll dream about tonight. > What a pain I am, > even to myself! > > -- Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook and others. In a last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code to linux. Check out this at distrowatch. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 I like comment 133. It sounds just about right. There are many nice comments there. BTW, Redhat also signed a deal with them, are they really falling off or are they the Borg that is portrayed in comment 133? Regards, Antonio

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Ranter or evangelist?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the damned music. If I go to Application, sound and video, the first option, "Audio Player", opens XMMS. Great! I click the forward button... I'm presented with a list of the... no, no, no! not the files on the CD, but the files in my home directory!!! Wow, we're really moving forward! I painfully navigate to /media, there's nothing in /media. Let's check mtab, my DVD/CD is on sr0, I believe. Nope, nothing there. Well, if the intend was to scare away Mac and Windows users, I would think that the success rate is 100%. I've been using Linux for 8 years and even "I" am scared! I do understand Fedora is for geeks, but would it make their life that difficult if things kinda worked? Didn't anybody notice that the present set-up makes absolutely no sense? At least, normally, you should go to => System, Preference, File Management, Media to select a default CD and DVD player. Still impossible! No option to change anything. I wrote about this. Nobody replied. Who's responsible for setting things this way? Is anyboby responsible somewhere or is it "We do all this together in a haphazard way" ? If so, never expect any significant market share for Linux. Radio-Canada will continue to use Windows Media because "Linux is too hard for ordinary people" (MSFT trademark). You think I'm a ranter? I've been told this quite often. But, while some people write code, I write to the Quebec Press Council. I explain that a certain so-called journalist is just a Microsoft sycophant. Every time he used Windows Vista, of course, there were a few... almost bugs. but certainly no show stopper. With Linux, the question is more complex. When a new version of Firefox comes out, for instance, instead of waiting for the upgrade, he gets the executable at Mozilla and, then, everything gets really complicated. Of course, the Press Concil understands perfectly what's going on. I made sure my basic complaint was very easy to understand: I explained the journalist NEVER discussed the appropriateness for the State -- television, amongst others -- of using proprietary format and never discussed tied sales. That's it, that's all. Still, after counceiding that the Press organisation lawyers had well understood my POV, the Council judged that the journalist gives a lot of coverage to Linux -- they didn't elabore on the kind of coverage: they can't evaluate, of course -- and, you know, given that Linux hardly has 1% of the market share, they found the coverage was adequate. So, I filed an appeal... and sent a copy to the Professional Federation of Journalists... I got my appeal. But the fight is far from over. The Press Council is heavily subsidized by the employer of said journalist, and Radio-Canada, another member of the Microsoft club. Seeing subsidies vaporize scares the shit out of those learned men: they could lose their precious jobs! So, they'll try every trick in the book to give a very mild tone to their judgement. But I have a few other tricks in my book to set the records straight, though having the support from the Linux community would certainly help. Cause... do you really believe I got any help from local coders for this fight? I got none, absolutely NONE. Why? Cause I'm a ranter. In other words, though I am not a programmer, when I see things that are not done correctly, I say so. They tell me I should fix the bugs. Why is it that there are so many programmers and I can't even set a default application for reading CD and DVDs? While I'm alone to do what I consider my job, why is it that the whole community doesn't get its act together to do such simple things? Sometimes I wished I could proselytize in a more positive way. I'd like to tell Apple users that Linux equals or surpasses OS X in user friendlyness, but it doesn't. It was like this ten years ago, it is still like this now. Countrary to what we could think from the success of Steve Jobs at the helm of Apple, in the Linux world, the only people who count are programmers. They'll fix things... soon. But Linux is not so young anymore. After 18 years, it has 1% market share. I believe there are some organizational bugs that need to be ironed out. For now, from an administrative POV, Linux is a merry-go-round that doesn't make much sense. What do you say, am I a ranter or an evangelist? Is it good for Linux to be ruled by programmers, the alternative not being necessarily the marketing department? :) Red Hat has some clout. How come they don't say "We want a music player that first detects CD files and plays them" and accept to include them on the default CD only on this condition? Etc., etc., etc.

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