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how to keep firmware loaded
by lee 27 Jun '14

27 Jun '14

Hi, how do I make it so that the firmware for a particular device doesn't get unloaded when the device is no longer in use? Apparently the firmware is unloaded when the device becomes unused. At least it is loaded again when the device is used again; messages in dmesg show that the firmware is loaded again. There are no messages about unloading the firmware, so I don't know whether it is actually unloaded or not. Loading the firmware again (or unloading it) seems to cause problems with the device. So I would like to load the firmware once and keep it loaded, without any more attempts to load it once it has been loaded. -- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)

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Install Problem with Fedora 20 (No Local Standard Disks)
by Gregory P. Ennis 27 Jun '14

27 Jun '14

Everyone, I purchased a used (refurbished) Dell Optiplex 755 that came with Windows 7 installed. I am trying to install Fedora 20, but when I get to the "Installation Destination" screen the fedora installer is not finding any "Local Standard Discs", which means I have been unable to start any installation. The system boots to Windows without any problem. I was planning on overwriting the disc and getting rid of the windows product entirely. I have checked sum the installation disc, and have even created a second Fedora 20 installation disc and have the same problem. Sure would appreciate some guidance from someone on the list that has solved a similar or same problem. Thanks, Greg Ennis

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f20 - audio problem
by Mike Wright 27 Jun '14

27 Jun '14

Hi all, Exploring f20 and have a self inflicted wound. While trying to get flash to play on vlc I found a conflict between libvpx and some other libraries so the resident genius yum removed it, and all of the other packages dependent upon it, thinking they'd be easy to reinstall. Not the best idea. Now I've got all sorts of video but not a peep of audio. I yum installed alsa* and pulseaudio*. The ALSA mixer I have now looks nothing like the one here before. Pulseaudio volume control->Playback says "ALSA plug-in [plugin-container (deleted)]: ALSA Playback" but yum list reports alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-x86_64 as an installed package. I couldn't find an Audio Group. Does anybody know how to reinstall the standard f20 audio packages or where I can find a list of packages installed into a fresh f20 system (from the live xfce spin)? Thanks, Mike Wright

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Burning Blu-Ray media on fedora20
by Alex 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

Hi, Does anyone know what happened to the Shilling cdrecord? I've tried to download it from several locations, and the domain appears to no longer exist. How are people burning BD-R media these days? These links no longer exists: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alex

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Fedora Lounge
by Robert Moskowitz 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

A bit OT. In a taxi in Chicago going down Clark st and there was: Fedora Lounge Sounds like the place where this crowd might like to gather for an evening. Of course I was heading for Union Station for my train home at the time............

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Netcat anomaly
by CLOSE Dave 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

I have a Fedora 20 machine which is receiving UDP broadcast packets at regular intervals on a strange high port. No program is presently listening for these packets. If I run, "tcpdump -i eth0 port 29531", I see each of the packets arriving just as I expect. Note, the packets are not empty and contain mostly ASCII characters. But if I then run, "nc -lu 29531", I don't see anything! Why not? What obvious thing am I missing? This same operation works better (but still not as I expect) on Fedora 14. NC shows one packet arriving but then doesn't show any more. Running NC under strace on both machines, I see F14 NC seems to use poll(2). It outputs one packet then hangs on poll. F20 NC seems to use select(2). It hangs on the first call. SELinux and the firewall are disabled on both machines. -- Dave Close

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SOLVED? fc20 gnome windows random banging
by Randolph Jones 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

reinstalled fc20 with kde desktop. not as nice as gnome or cinnamon, but it works rfjones

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Installing fedora on an arm chromebook (the old one)
by Rafael Espíndola 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

I had in the past followed the instructions in https://www.berrange.com/posts/2013/03/31/automated-install-of-fedora-18-ar… But I wanted to try to install fedora 20 and have a a simpler partition layout. In the process I found out a bit on how the system works. I first upgraded chrome os to get a new kernel (3.8.11) and copied the kernel partition, /lib/modules and /lib/firmware. I then got a f19 ssd image and booted from that. The usb boot being enable flag is stored in the internal flash. The flags listed in vboot_reference/firmware/lib/vboot_nvstorage.c are storred in the first 16 bytes of the disk. To clear chromeos and keep the machine booting from USB I did $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 Create a nvram.txt file with 7000000001000000000000000000003f The 1 in the middle is the usb boot flag. $ xxd -r -p nvram.txt nvram $ dd if=nvram of=/dev/mmcblk0 I then created 2 partitions, one for the kernel and one for the root. To get the kernel to boot, I checked firmware/lib/cgptlib/include/cgptlib_internal.h and noticed that what was needed was: Correct type: sgdisk -t1:7f00 /dev/mmcblk0 Setting attribute bits 48 and 56: sgdisk -A1:set:48 /dev/mmcblk0; sgdisk -A1:set:56 /dev/mmcblk0 Repack the kernel with vbutil_kernel and point it to the new root partition. I then got the fedora20 root image, extracted the files for / and replaced /lib/modules and /lib/firmware. I tried to get X running with both the armsoc and fbdev drivers, but so far no success, which is fine for me since I use the machine as an arm devboard. Cheers, Rafael

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5tFTw: NetworkManager Feature Explosion, Waartaa Video Chat, Fedora Board on Fedora.next Products, Flock Planning, and Writing for the Magazine (2014-06-24)
by Matthew Miller 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

Reposted from <http://fedoramagazine.org/5tftw-2014-06-24/>. Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This series highlights interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It isn’t comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links to each. Here are the five things for June 24th, 2014: New NetworkManager Release Full of Features ------------------------------------------- NetworkManager, familiar to many of us as “that thing that has a taskbar icon for getting WiFi”, has always aimed to be much more than that. With the 0.9.10 release (which will hit Fedora’s “Rawhide” development tree later this week and be include in Fedora 21 this fall), there’s a whole host of features to support those broader aims, including server and cloud-focused improvements. Read more on developer Dan Williams’ blog. * http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2014/06/20/well-build-a-dream-house-of-net/ Waartaa gets Video Chat ----------------------- Waartaa is an open source, web-based chat system — it describes itself as “IRC as a service”. Since Fedora uses IRC (Internet Relay Chat) as our chief means of real-time collaboration in Fedora, including for our various team meetings, this might be something we could use to make our communications more open and friendly. There is a session about Waartaa and Fedora at our big Flock conference this fall (August 6-9, in Prague). I was interested to learn that there’s a Google Summer of Code project supporting Fedora contributor Lalit Khattar in improving Waartaa, and right now he’s working on adding video chat support. This is a long way from ready, but maybe in the not-too-distant future it will provide us with a viable alternative to proprietary video chat for high-bandwidth collaboration. * https://www.waartaa.com/ * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel * http://flock2014.sched.org/event/ed91d63174a0b3bdd744491beb9824de * http://flocktofedora.org/ * https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dne0 * http://lalitkhattar.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/p2p-video-chat-gsoc-week-3/ Fedora Project Board Discusses Fedora.next Products --------------------------------------------------- On Monday, the Fedora Project Board held a public IRC meeting. There were two main topics: first, guidelines for third-party press releases (which were approved); and second, general criteria for Fedora Products — a continuation of a previous meeting on the topic. The criteria we passed are: - Addresses a new, relevant, and broad use case or user base that a Fedora Product is not currently serving - The use case should be something the Board sees as being a long term investment - The Product should be coherent with all of Fedora’s foundations We also talked briefly about the Fedora Plasma Product proposal in light of these criteria, but did not quite get to a conclusion. Generally, there is broad Board support for better positioning and promotion of non-product desktop spins. More discussion will happen on the public board-discuss mailing list before a future meeting. View the meeting minutes or, if you like full meeting logs. * https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/3#comment:3 * https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/4 * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Plasma_Product * https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/board-discuss * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/meetingminutes/2014-June/001266.h… * http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-06-23/board.2014-06-23… Flock Planning Meetings ----------------------- Speaking of meetings and of Flock, the Flock planning team is holding regular IRC meetings (on Tuesdays at 14:00 UTC in `#fedora-meeting` on Freenode.) This week’s meeting was very short, but last week’s had a lot of activity. (One interesting tidbit: we’ll reuse the open source Android / Jolla / BlackBerry mobile app from Red Hat’s DevConf.cz conference.) Anyway, if you’re interested in helping, stop by next week. * http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-06-24/flock_planning.2… * http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-06-17/flock_planning.2… * http://www.devconf.cz/ * https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.devconf * https://openrepos.net/content/xmlich02/devconfcz * http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/47010890/?countrycode=NL&la… Contribute to Fedora Magazine! ------------------------------ If you’re reading this on the Fedora Magazine site, you’ll notice a new “submit an article idea” link in the right column. If you’re not, go to <http://fedoramagazine.org/submit-an-idea-or-tip/> to send in suggestions — either for full articles or for 5tFTW tips. Fedora Magazine has had a very successful last few months and we’re looking to build it up even more. Writing articles is an easy way to help. It doesn’t need to be a big production — just a little bit on something you find interesting in Fedora, or something exciting you’re working on or thinking about. Join the Fedora Marketing Team‘s email list or jump into the `#fedora-mktg` Freenode channel to get access and any help you might need. * http://fedoramagazine.org/ * http://fedoramagazine.org/submit-an-idea-or-tip/ * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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miracast support
by Robert Moskowitz 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

I am at the WiFi Alliance meeting and all the room projectors have miracast as the perfered projecting method. So I go looking for miracast and fedora via google and got a few hits, mostly looking for support! one project saying that Fedora 20 is 'too old'. So is there any work for miracast support?

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Fedora 20 K3B broken
by Paul Erickson 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

I don't know exactly when this happened, but today when I tried to use K3B, I get the following error: [paul@paul Desktop]$ k3b k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libproj.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory A search for libproj.so.0: reveals that it is on the system. [paul@paul Desktop]$ whereis libproj.so.0 libproj.so: /usr/lib/libproj.so.0 [paul@paul Desktop]$ Any ideas how I can fix this? I have tried reinstalling K3B and the problem persists. Thanks in advance. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- cheers, Paul - VA7NT - email: va7nt(a)telus.net "Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad." "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann "That state which separates its warriors from its scholars will have its thinking done by cowards and fighting done by fools" - Thucydides - The Pelopenisia "The Malice of the wicked is reinforced by the weakness of the virtuous." - Churchill

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BackupPC - a brief rant
by Timothy Murphy 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Many applications give unhelpful error messages, but I've never met any quite as useless as the invariable message from BackupPC: "Unable to read 4 bytes" If only it could sometimes say "Unable to read 3 bytes" or even "Hooray, was able to read 1 byte". What 4 bytes did it want to read, incidentally? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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Changing boot options through kickstart
by CLOSE Dave 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Documentation tells me that kickstart allows an --append switch to the bootloader command to add additional text to the GRUB2 boot line. I haven't experimented with this and it is unclear to me if the change goes only into /boot/grub2/grub.cfg or if it is also put into /etc/default/grub. But adding things is not my objective. I want to delete "rhgb" and "quiet" on the boot line, preferably in both places. Is there any way to do that through kickstart or do I have to use a post-install step? -- Dave Close

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Fedora 20 on Dell Precision M3850
by Ranjan Maitra 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Hi, According to FedEx, my new machine is on a truck speeding to my local distribution center for delivery tomorrow. So hopefully it will be here tomorrow. I had two questions: 1) It comes with Windoze 7 (with an upgrade option/disc for W8). Not sure if I want to wipe it off (ideally, I would have liked to have not paid for it) but I was wondering if I wanted to do a dual boot, is there a set of instructions somewhere that I could follow? I have had no problems with earlier windoze xp unProfessional dual installs, but not with W7 or W8 (have not even seen a machine with this one). I do wonder about keeping an OS I am likely to only use when I am talking to some technical support for some service. Somehow the ones that require contacting technical support always want you to use IE. I bluff my way through on these ones. 2) This laptop has touchscreen abilities. While I could in general care less about this feature, again I did not have an option to get rid of it. So, I wonder if it is possible to use the touchscreen features with Fedora 20? Am I better off trying CentOS on this machine because of the two questions above? I would however like to stick to Fedora. Many shanks, Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. ____________________________________________________________ Share photos & screenshots in seconds... TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks.

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SFLPhone / Mic
by Pal, Laszlo 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Hi, I'm trying to use SFLPhone as IAX softphone on my FC20 laptop and with my Logitech Clearchat USB headset. The output is fine and perfect, but the input is terrible (glitches, really can't hear anything. In the same environment Skype is perfect... The only difference I can see in the configs Skype using pulseaudi, but SFLPhone config looks like this: Sound manager: PulseAudio Input: alsa_input.usb_Logitech.... do you have any idea what should I change to make it work? Thanks Vlad

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numeric keypad craziness
by Mike Wright 24 Jun '14

24 Jun '14

Hi all, I have a bunch of Xen VMs running an assortment of Fedora versions and I connect to each of them via VNC. Each occupies an individual workspace in Domain-0. Everybody shares the keyboard and mouse. Works great. However, on one VM the 10-key part of the keyboard, when NumLock is on, doesn't work correctly. The behavior is different depending upon whether it is in single keypress mode or whether it has gone into auto-repeat mode, where it behaves correctly. The craziness starts in single key press mode where there are various behaviors depending on whether it is typing into a console, an xterm, or a GUI window, such as this Thunderbird, and whether it is an arrow key or one of the named keys (Ins, Del, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn). In all cases the named keys perform their non-NumLock action. In GUI apps and the consoles the arrow keys perform their arrow action but in an xterm the arrow keys type a letter: 8->A, 2->B, 6->C, 4->D. This survives reboots (the whole system) and restarts (just this VM). For the record, each VM keyboard is set to Generic 105 key international layout and the NumLock key is on. I know almost nothing about how the keyboard subsystem works. Anybody have any idea where to go from here? Thanks, Mike Wright

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[FIXED] Cntrl-Alt-F[2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] do not work
by JD 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

I had to remove a few ancient lines in my .profile (I am a user of the old ksh) for changing a couple of keys using a xmodmap. To wit: # xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" # xmodmap -e "keycode 107 = Delete" # xmodmap ~/.xmodmap As you can see I commented out those lines and I regained the funcitonality I wanted. Those keycodes were for an external keyboard that died recently, and so keymaps of the internal KB of the DELL laptop were probably getting clobbered in an unexpected way. The xmodmap codes have been obviated by the settings of the gnome-terminal's Edit -> Profile settings. Thanx to all who tried to help.

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Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card for Dell Inspiron 1545: How to Drive It!
by Temlakos 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

Everyone: I have a three-year-old Dell Inspiron 1545. It came with the Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card. The current output of lspci -k |grep -iA5 wire gives "Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card" as a subsystem. The relevant kernel module is "ssb." Currently this card will not connect. Nor can I force it to connect by directly editing the network interface. I've tried several times, but I can't get to a MAC address for it. What driver(s) or other kernel module(s) should I install, and where can I get them? Broadcom has a 32-bit and a 64-bit tarball for what they say is a driver for this card. Should I install that on my system? Please advise. It seems a shame to operate any laptop without wireless connectivity. Temlakos

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Are there any older version for fedora scientific available ??
by Navdeep Singh Sidhu 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

Hello friends, Are there any older version for fedora scientific available ?? Regards Navdeep Singh

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Re: Cntrl-Alt-F[2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] do not work
by JD 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Paul Cartwright <pbcartwright(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/22/2014 06:10 PM, JD wrote: > > >> [root@pauls-server ~]# ps -ef|grep getty >> root 1580 1 0 16:14 tty3 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear >> tty3 >> root 2397 1 0 17:50 tty2 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear >> tty2 >> root 2663 1 0 17:54 tty5 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear >> tty5 >> root 2723 1696 0 17:54 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto getty >> > > Nothing happens. Tried both Ctrl-Alt keys on either side > of space bar. > > $ uname -a > Linux localhost.localdomain 3.14.8-200.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 16 > 21:57:53 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > what do you get with this command: > $ ps -ef|grep getty > > How do I change the number of gettys running by default? > > To add another getty: > > Simply place another symlink for instantiating another getty in the > getty.target.wants/ directory: > > ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty(a)tty9.service > systemctl daemon-reload > systemctl start getty(a)tty9.service > > > $ ps -ef|grep getty jd 2099 1691 0 21:41 pts/1 00:00:00 grep getty then I linked all 9 tty's reloaded the daemon, and started the getty on all 9 ttys: # ps -ef | grep getty root 2194 1 0 21:45 tty2 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty2 root 2199 1 0 21:45 tty3 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty3 root 2202 1 0 21:45 tty4 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty4 root 2205 1 0 21:45 tty5 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty5 root 2208 1 0 21:45 tty6 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty6 root 2211 1 0 21:45 tty7 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty7 root 2214 1 0 21:45 tty8 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty8 root 2217 1 0 21:45 tty9 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty --noclear tty9 Still to no avail. No response fro Atrl-Alt-F# for all # in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

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Re: yum update from 3.14.4 looks ok, but still stuck 3.14.4-200.fc20.x86_64
by Jackson Byers 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

I doubt I still have both before and after grub.cfg I have no proof at all that grub2-mkconfig after each kernel update is needed. I got this from an old thread [including you Chris Murphy] [And specifically the combo command from Gilboa Davarra] I could easily have misinterpreted it. I did have 2 recent cases so far that grub2-install was needed after kernel update. $ uname -r 3.14.7-200.fc20.x86_64 Jack

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fc20 gnome windows random banging
by Randolph Jones 22 Jun '14

22 Jun '14

asus mb m4a785-m with radeon hd 4200 onboard gpu desktop windows crash and open-close at random; fonts unreadable. firefox and evolution seem to run ok, openoffice flakey previous msg has part of lsmod showing drivers; xorg log full of attempts to id card, no default screen display app sees 23" samsung flat panel; set to proper resolution TIA rfjones

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fc20 gnome windows random banging
by Randolph Jones 22 Jun '14

22 Jun '14

asus mb with Radeon HD onboard card lsmod gives radeon 1157862 3 i2c_algo_bit 13065 1 radeon drm_kms_helper 44716 1 radeon ttm 68283 1 radeon drm 230162 5 ttm,drm_kms_helper,radeon Xorg log says no screen section in in xorg.conf.d 11.629] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.11.10-301.fc20.i686+PAE root=UUID=0144f7f6-912c-4e91-98bb-6b07ceaf3881 ro vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8 TIA rfjones

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fc20 gnome windows random banging
by Randolph Jones 22 Jun '14

22 Jun '14

fc20 new install, 23" samsung flat screen recognized by gnome. windows and fonts on desktop open-close at random, fail to update. unreadable login screen desktop fonts unreadable terminal and firefox and evolution fonts ok, but windows exhibit random behavior any help appreciated rfjones

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desktop fonts
by Randolph Jones 21 Jun '14

21 Jun '14

fc20 new install. desktop fonts on gnome unreadable at login screen. fonts readable after login for few seconds; ie can see "activities" for a few seconds, then becomes unreadable any ideas? TIA rfjones

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