Hi,
I am asking this as I've just seen that some are experiencing issues with disabling the firewall. While I was installing Fedora Test 2 I chose not to install printing support and yet cups is installed and is active. Both Cups and the Cups libraries are installed. I am a newbie to Linux so I am not sure if Cups was installed as it may be required for some other reason. The same goes for Open Office. I chose not to install any Office/Productivity apps and yet Open Office libraries are installed.
Is this expected behaviour?
Thanks
M@
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 08:14:40PM +0100, Matheesha wrote:
Hi,
I am asking this as I've just seen that some are experiencing issues with disabling the firewall. While I was installing Fedora Test 2 I chose not to install printing support and yet cups is installed and is active. Both Cups and the Cups libraries are installed. I am a newbie to Linux so I am not sure if Cups was installed as it may be required for some other reason.
If you installed Gnome, you get Cups. Gnome is dependent on Cups. Perhaps the Gnome RPMs could be re-done to use Cups if it is present but not require it?
To determine the dependency chain, try uninstalling packages you don't want, and follow the chain of complaints. E.g:
rpm -e <package>
The same goes for Open Office. I chose not to install any Office/Productivity apps and yet Open Office libraries are installed.
I believe that this is a bug, but I haven't filed it yet. I spotted it in Beta 1, but am waiting to confirm it on Beta 2.
There is no reason for the OOo libraries to be installed other than for OOo itself. I can't guess why there are three separate packages, unless it is to keep the package size down to an average of 35 MB each. I find this one particularly egregious because they account for some 230 MB installed, and my test machine has 1.6 GB of usable disk space.
Doh! I should have tried "rpm -e" before mailing the list and I now know why. I installed the admin tools and system tools which installed redhat-printer-config. I had to remove the following packages in this order to get rid of cups.
desktop-printing redhat-config-printer-gui redhat-config-printer cups
As for the cups-libs it seems to be linked to a few apps I kinda like to hang on to so it will have to remain.
rpm -e cups-libs error: Failed dependencies: libcups.so.2 is needed by (installed) samba-common-3.0.0-5rc1 libcups.so.2 is needed by (installed) ghostscript-7.07-10 libcups.so.2 is needed by (installed) libgnomeprint22-2.3.1-2 libcups.so.2 is needed by (installed) gnome-vfs2-extras-0.99.10-3.1 libcups.so.2 is needed by (installed) gnome-vfs-extras-0.2.0-7 libcups.so.2 is needed by (installed) printman-0.0.1-1.20021202.14 libcupsimage.so.2 is needed by (installed) ghostscript-7.07-10 [root@pc2-hem12-3-cust67 root]#
I'd like to hang on to the ghostscript and samba client utilities. I was kinda surprised that cups-libs will be linked to samba-common and ghostscript. Correct me if I am wrong but it may be possible to "build and compile " ghostscript and samba with printing support turned off? If so that would mean been able to remove cups-libs and still have ghostscript and samba on the system. Well at least samba.
Cheers
M@
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 21:11, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 08:14:40PM +0100, Matheesha wrote:
Hi,
I am asking this as I've just seen that some are experiencing issues with disabling the firewall. While I was installing Fedora Test 2 I chose not to install printing support and yet cups is installed and is active. Both Cups and the Cups libraries are installed. I am a newbie to Linux so I am not sure if Cups was installed as it may be required for some other reason.
If you installed Gnome, you get Cups. Gnome is dependent on Cups. Perhaps the Gnome RPMs could be re-done to use Cups if it is present but not require it?
To determine the dependency chain, try uninstalling packages you don't want, and follow the chain of complaints. E.g:
rpm -e <package>
The same goes for Open Office. I chose not to install any Office/Productivity apps and yet Open Office libraries are installed.
I believe that this is a bug, but I haven't filed it yet. I spotted it in Beta 1, but am waiting to confirm it on Beta 2.
There is no reason for the OOo libraries to be installed other than for OOo itself. I can't guess why there are three separate packages, unless it is to keep the package size down to an average of 35 MB each. I find this one particularly egregious because they account for some 230 MB installed, and my test machine has 1.6 GB of usable disk space.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 09:35:58PM +0100, Matheesha wrote:
Doh! I should have tried "rpm -e" before mailing the list and I now know why. I installed the admin tools and system tools which installed redhat-printer-config. I had to remove the following packages in this order to get rid of cups.
Removing packages you don't want is a tedious workaround. I have developed a kickstart file for my testbed machine which names packages I don't want installed, like the two OOo libs. I did this because I expect to do multiple installations while I check out the OOo problem you mentioned and a few other things. And then there's the next beta...
Developers, please remember that many people in poorer countries are turning to Linux and they are as much a part of your market as folks in rich countries. Installations that squander resources such as disk space will cause problems for poorer folks that rich folks can afford to ignore.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:11:59PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 08:14:40PM +0100, Matheesha wrote:
The same goes for Open Office. I chose not to install any Office/Productivity apps and yet Open Office libraries are installed.
I believe that this is a bug, but I haven't filed it yet. I spotted it in Beta 1, but am waiting to confirm it on Beta 2.
There is no reason for the OOo libraries to be installed other than for OOo itself. I can't guess why there are three separate packages, unless it is to keep the package size down to an average of 35 MB each. I find this one particularly egregious because they account for some 230 MB installed, and my test machine has 1.6 GB of usable disk space.
I added this as a comment to bug 88400.
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