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Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by Pravin Satpute 23 Jun '20

23 Jun '20

Hi All, I am sure, most of the people working with Fedora I18N, L10N from 5-6 year must be aware regarding Fedora L10N Steering Committee. [1] As far as i know this committee was active around 2009 and very effective. During Fedora G11N activity day discussions, we again felt there is need for some kind of official committee to drive Fedora Globalization activities. Fedora is growing faster with number of different domains and G11N also need to adapt those changes quickly to remain on the track. For this purpose and in line with [1], we were thinking of Fedora Globalization steering committee. I have created initial proposal for it. [2] Its open for feedback, please feel free to share other active members, discuss in your respective language groups. This is just initial proposal and i am sure, we can improve and make it more effective with active participation. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringComm… 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_G11N_Steering_Committee_Proposal _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Re: Zanata asking Fedora users to provide name, userid and email even after FAS openid login
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 03 Jan '16

03 Jan '16

On 17 November 2015 at 08:41, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 2015年11月07日 00:11, pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > $subject. Two problems: > > > > 1. There is chance of FAS user can create account with different > > username and it will affect our plan to connect with FedBus and generate > > stats. > > This applies to first time login to fedora.zanata.org with FAS username, > right? Yes. > What is FedBus? > FedBus is where all activity messages related Fedora get listed. > > > > > 2. Was talking with CLA agreement with Zanata guys earlier. They said > > rather than they work on signing agreement from users, they want user > > simply sign CLA of different project i.e. Fedora, OepnStack and they > > will simply connect users to respective project portal. In this case no > > need to sign other terms of Zanata (please correct me here if i am > > wrong). I mean just user can simply log in and start work. > > This is current state implemented where Fedora new translator is > required to sign Fedora Project Contributor Agreement (not CLA), before > login and join corresponding team in zanata. > > If zanata can check whether new user attempting first login has already > obtained FPCA or not, and then can accept or reject login accordingly, > it will be great help for all language team coordinators. Currently the > coordinators manually check this. > If its possible to check, then it is fine. Else lets have a simple checkbox after user logs in. Any progress here? Let me know if anything need to do from my side. Regards, Pravin Satpute _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Fedora Zanata Survey Results
by Luke Brooker 18 Dec '15

18 Dec '15

Hi All, I’m glad to finally share the results from the survey many of you helped with back in October. It’s been a great help to understand what is needed by this community. I hope this gives you some insight into how we are thinking about the upcoming design & development of Zanata. http://zanata.org/blog/fedora-zanata-survey-results/ We always welcome more Feedback. The post shares how best to share any new feedback you have. -- Thanks, Luke Brooker | UX Designer/Developer Ex: 8587102 | W: +61.735147102 | M: +61421278766 IRC: lukebrooker | T:@lukebrooker _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Re: Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

On 16 December 2015 at 15:57, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> * >> http://blogs.adobe.com/globalization/2012/04/12/globalization-myth-series-m… >> * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal >> >> I believe above both link can answer your queries. >> > The fact that I, more recently, doing fedora localization into Russian. and > of course I have read your wiki page, but besides the general, "marketing" > phrases I could not see anything. > > what issues will decide this project? what are the goals for the project > fedora. you can find the time to express their own vision and not to answer > me a link 3 years ago? From your earlier reply, I thought you are asking for some external links with definition. :) > > I personally see the existing problems at the stage of localization Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :) > and you > offer to the problems of old projects to add a new project. budget plan, > assign positions. how it will solve the existing problems? Please, its not only me. Rather the whole active group present At FAD thought there is need of FG governance group. We have created this proposal in Globalization FAD itself. [3] I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can learn and improve further. Again will be very helpful, if you can draft problems you think presently open somewhere or mention in mailing list itself with other thread. Regards, Pravin 3. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDEL… _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Re: Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

On 17 December 2015 at 00:26, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Lets use it for improving Fedora project. > > > I am already a member of the team of localization and Ambassador. and I am > confronted with the fact that I do not quite localized materials, which I've > been doing, and the documentation that I translate. and confronted with the > fact that my fellow countrymen not heard about the project fedora. and you > are now starting some New Year's vanity with the development budget and the > distribution of decision-making positions, although completely ignore my > requests to present your vision of globalization. that will be used as a > basis and any problems will be solved and how. > Glad to meet you :) Added few more explanation to Goals. It is still Draft, so feel free to suggest improvements. > >> You are not subscribed to G11N list yet. That is why those gets >> filtered out and once i get notification, i am approving it. Please >> subscribe to list and save me from manual administration [4] >> Its not my list, we have 4 members administrating it. [5] > > > yah! on your I do not know how to subscribe? Do you think I get these > letters? the first thing I did this "again" signed up for the newsletter and > receive notifications that have already been signed. I still don't see your email "user15092011(a)gmail.com" in subscriber list. Please subscribe with this email id. > >> Its Wiki, please feel free to add your feedback there. We don't want >> to lose your valuable feedback. > > > you still have not laid your own vision of the project g11n Please refer Wiki. We are looking for shared vision not individual. If you have any idea, please share. - Pravin _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Re: Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

On 16 December 2015 at 15:32, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form >> translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. >> I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :) > > > a good start would be to solve the problems of localization, which I'll let > you know if you do not know the current situation. Respecting your expertise !!. Lets use it for improving Fedora project. >> I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. >> Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can >> learn and improve further. > > > hope mailing list has become open and not closed and only for "members of > the mailing list" (and then somehow does not agree with your words "open" > and "broader groups") and I, as a subscriber of your mailing list, no longer > have to specifically ask you to publish my message. You are not subscribed to G11N list yet. That is why those gets filtered out and once i get notification, i am approving it. Please subscribe to list and save me from manual administration [4] Its not my list, we have 4 members administrating it. [5] > and why our correspondence does not enter the discussion page? You're hiding > something? Its Wiki, please feel free to add your feedback there. We don't want to lose your valuable feedback. Thanks, Pravin 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n.lists.fedoraproject.org/ 5. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n.lists.fedoraproject.org/me… _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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my summary report of G11N FAD Tokyo 2015
by Noriko Mizumoto 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Hi As all we know, we had successful and memorable first G11N FAD 2015 in Tokyo between 1st to 3rd November. It was already a month ago, but just thought that it might be good to share the summary report what I discussed with others and some achievement for mainly Localization. I also like to attach the overall summary prepared by Jens [1] and the stsatus presentation slide for L10N and FLTG prepared by Ani [2], thanks guys. [DAY 1] We, l10n, fltg, i18n, zanata, all got together and presented the status each other. During hackathon, I have worked and created 'G11N' presentation slide with other members. This will be available on G11N wiki page. In the evening, we also had hangout talk and shared ideas with Cambodian team joining FAD online. [DAY 2] In the morning, we all had hangout talk and shared ideas with Fedora Project Leader, Matthew. As part of hackaton, I have joined the discussion about new FGSCo structure proposal to strengthen our team as one G11N. Then I joined the hackathon of recent zanata survey feedback analysis. It was fun and fruitful dinner gathering at the end. [DAY 3] L10N team and FLTG discussed to determine important packages to localize, giving priority. So that translators can easily find which package to start without asking around. The deprecated packages list has also been updated. In order to achieve this, we had a lot of help from I18N team members as well. I have had proposed 'software deadline change for F24' and discussed with others. We arrived the consensus no-go for this proposal, instead I18N members will start seeking and developing a script to auto-detect string breaks. L10N members will monitor the breaks closer and produce statistics. As future F24 planning, we L10N members aim to hold more local sprints/workshops. [1]:https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZa… [2]:https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12Ffl1fRnLWahtmrvDCWEdgr671doJWjS… Thanks for reading :-) noriko _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Minutes of 2015/12/16 G11N (L10N and Zanata) meeting
by Pravin Satpute 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Hi all, We had good meeting today. Please note, no meeting for next two week due to Christmas and New year celebrations. Minutes are as follows: ===================== #fedora-meeting: g11n ===================== Meeting started by pravins at 05:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-12-16/g11n.2015-12-16-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 05:00:21) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-12-16 (pravins, 05:00:24) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 05:01:54) * 2016-01-12 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) (pravins, 05:01:59) * not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline (pravins, 05:01:59) * not required Mass Rebuild (pravins, 05:01:59) * 2016-02-02 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25) (pravins, 05:01:59) * 2016-02-16 Alpha Freeze (*) (pravins, 05:02:00) * 2016-02-16 Software String Freeze (pravins, 05:02:00) * 2016-02-16 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) (pravins, 05:02:01) * 2016-02-16 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 05:02:03) * Action items (pravins, 05:02:34) * aeng to ping Luke for survey blog post. (pravins, 05:03:40) * noriko to post L10N sprint idea to trans mailing list. (pravins, 05:05:12) * tagoh_ to drop email in mailing list g11n/devel regarding string (pravins, 05:06:18) * G11N FAD (pravins, 05:09:47) * #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins, 05:09:47) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 (pravins, 05:09:47) * Zanata feedback survey (pravins, 05:11:56) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/3 (pravins, 05:11:56) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18YRLc2OdmrSEnyN5ykJncj5SR67IDlM-UbTIyHO… (lukebrooker, 05:14:32) * ACTION: lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec. (pravins, 05:17:32) * L10N and Zanata planning for Fedora 24 (pravins, 05:17:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/16 (pravins, 05:17:46) * G11n Governance (Pravin) (pravins, 05:19:36) * L10n Sprints (pravins, 05:19:54) * Automation of langpack LiveCD (Parag) (pravins, 05:24:52) * meeting time (pravins, 05:27:28) * Open Floor (pravins, 05:35:52) * No meeting on 23rd and 30th Dec. due to Christmas and New years celebrations. (pravins, 05:37:58) Meeting ended at 05:44:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * lukebrooker * lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (114) * juhp (19) * noriko (13) * lukebrooker (9) * zodbot (7) * tagoh_ (3) * suanand (2) * mfabian (1) * ueno (1) * paragan (1) * epico (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Regards, Pravin Satpute _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Wiki for Fedora 24 Globalization improvement plans
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Hi All, We had some initial discussion during Fedora 23 development cycle on this. Ticket No. [1] In last one year at least 3-4 enthusiast students came to me and asked, i want to become Fedora contributor tell me how can i start it. From G11N perspective, i think its good if we plan our improvement plans for upcoming Fedora release and simply ask new contributor to go through it and ping existing owner or mentor and take over the bug. This solves couple of things. 1. New contributor get list of task planned for ongoing Fedora release. There is good chance that his improvement he can see in coming Fedora release. 2. He gets mentor as well :) There is one second objective behind this. We do lots of changes in Fedora and somehow miss to highlight it. I think this page will give whole picture of improvement plans for Fedora and after release it will be useful for release notes and talking point. We cant do everything with Change proposal. So here it comes. I have created Wiki page. [1] If you are planning any particular activity for Fedora 24. From i18n. l10n or Zanata point. Please mention it there. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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Reminder: G11N meeting tomorrow At 05:00 UTC focused on L10N and Zanata
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 15 Dec '15

15 Dec '15

Hi all, We have meeting tomorrow At #fedora-meeting (Freenode). Agenda is available at [1]. Action items, by person from 2nd Dec meeting * aeng to ping Luke for survey blog post. * pravins to close #2 * pravins to create wiki and send on trans mailing list for feedback. * noriko to post L10N sprint idea to trans mailing list. * pravins aeng will coordinate for G11N wiki restructuring. Will drop email on list. * complete first https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N * tagoh_ to drop email in mailing list g11n/devel regarding string breakage monitoring project. * pravins aeng to discuss on L10N badges and update later. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-12-16 _______________________________________________ g11n mailing list g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org

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