isv-sig August 2008

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How does someone find the SIG page?
by Jason Hibbets 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

Hey - In an attempt to find the ISV SIG page today, I had a very difficult time navigating from the main page for Fedora Project main to the SIG ISV page. (Thanks BK!) Obviously, there is a unique balance of how things are organized and how high up on the tree one can go. I, and other's on this list, are working hard to promote this group, and we've been giving the direct link out. I guess I can not expect some random ISV person cruising the Fedora site to find and sign-up for the group. What is the best way that we can make sure people are able to find this page so they can participate? Thanks, Jason

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JPackage and Fedora
by Matthew Dahlman 14 Aug '08

14 Aug '08

Hi all, I've got a question about JPackage. Before getting to the question I'll give a bit of background. JasperServer, like most Java apps running in an application server, does not directly ship the source for many of our .jar dependencies; we retrieve them from trusted maven repositories. Anyone that's interested can track down the source to any of the jar files, but we don't normally ship it. This may not be in keeping with Fedora's guidelines. Therefore it would be good if we had a standard way to distribute the various jars along with their source. That brings us to JPackage (JPP). According to their site (http://www.jpackage.org/aboutjpp.php): The JPackage Project has two primary goals: - To provide a coherent set of Java software packages for Linux, satisfying all quality requirements of other applications. - To establish an efficient and robust policy for Java software packaging and installation. I also noticed that Fedora includes jpackage-utils by default. This brings me, finally, to my question. Is JPackage the correct place to direct our efforts to get all of our jar dependencies included? I'm hoping for answers somewhere along this continuum: "Yes, JPackage is the one and only place for work like this. Fedora officially supports this project and recommends that all Java apps use it." or "Yes, JPackage is a reasonable place for this work. There are some details to work out because they do a few things differently from Fedora best practices. Alternatively you could use X or Y." or "No, those JPackage guys will be the death of Java as we know it. Maybe of death of Linux and of life as we know it as well." Depending on people's thoughts on this I imagine we'll eventually get into separate detailed threads on how JPackage works with foo.jar here and/or on the JPackage mailing list. Thanks, Matt Jaspersoft

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Open Source Project Enthusiasm
by Jason Hibbets 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

An interesting article on community building, open source project enthusiasm, and some misconception around project adaption. Growing Up Asterisk http://ostatic.com/170837-blog/growing-up-asterisk "Open source project leaders should take this lesson to heart and examine their growth strategies. Your project may be doomed to failure or relegated to the ever growing list of niche projects out there today if you reach too far too fast or fail to reach for the right people at the right time." -- Jason Hibbets, RHCE RHX & ISV Marketing Specialist Office - 919.754.4181 Red Hat :: 1801 Varsity Drive :: Raleigh, NC 27606 IT executives: Red Hat #1 in value. Again. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/

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waiting on review, thought 2
by Karsten Wade 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

I'd like to draw attention to packages that you are waiting on for review, especially where the software is popular and desired across Fedora, but people may not be aware it is waiting in package review. I'm thinking of two things: * Having a wiki page that regularly updates our "hot list" of package review needs: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/ISV_package_review_hot_list Either add your list there or send it here, I can compile it on going. * Some general publicity, such as blog posts on the Fedora planet Another item we all want to work on is growing the membership of this list. There are many more ISVs that I have talked with who *need* to be on this list but have not yet sent at least one representative. If you know someone and so one, tell them about this unique communication channel inside of Fedora. Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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sharing package reviews
by Karsten Wade 11 Aug '08

11 Aug '08

For those of you with open package reviews waiting for someone to review the package, how about you get together and swap package reviews? Anyone can do an initial review based on the package guidelines, although it will take a more experienced reviewer to ultimately sponsor the packages. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines Does this sound like an interesting idea? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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[Fwd: [Thincrust-devel] Fedora Feature Request Appliance Building]
by Bryan Kearney 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

David Huff is working on an "Appliance Building" feature for F10. He is looking for input on the feature, please see the email below and send any comments his way. Thanks! -- bk -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Thincrust-devel] Fedora Feature Request Appliance Building Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:30:47 -0400 From: David Huff <dhuff(a)redhat.com> Reply-To: Thincrust tooling devel list <thincrust-devel(a)redhat.com> To: thincrust-devel(a)redhat.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have combined the two feature request in to one. Any comments before I submit to FeatureWrangler for approval: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/appliance-tools - -D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkibaYYACgkQccHK32ogu/cgTwCggvH4acbyBoxfw4fZRpv98ZwJ hzMAniVxZBZIOfs+jdMWsK1rkrQqkavd =WFpP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Thincrust-devel mailing list Thincrust-devel(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/thincrust-devel

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Trademarks in ISV packages.
by Stephen John Smoogen 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

We just set up our own zimbra system here (sadly not with rpms) and I noticed that the default layout of the free version has several Yahoo trademarks on the screen. Will this cause problems with licensing or packaging? -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"

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When to rebrand fedora?
by Bryan Kearney 01 Aug '08

01 Aug '08

I have a question. The other day I put out a sugar desktop appliance [1] based on F9. It was pointed out that I violated the fedora trademark policies. I did some digging, and the relevant page seems to be [2]. My question is what is a "modification". If you look at my kickstart file [3], you see that I did 2 things which could be it: a) I added package from a foreign repo that is also in fedora (xulrunner) b) I added packages to to the appliance from a foreign repo Does anyone know which item (a or b) was the actual issue? I bring this up here since as ISVs begin to get more integrated with fedora, it is possible that they will ship appliances, live-cds, live-usbs, install media, etc. It would be nice to know when it is necessary to re-brand to stay in compliance with the trademark guidelines. BTW.. it was pretty easy to rebrand the appliance, so this is not an issue of effort.. more of clarity. -- bk [1] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugarAppliance.tar.gz [2] http://fedoraproject.org/legal/trademarks/guidelines/page5.html [3] http://sugar.s3.amazonaws.com/sugar.ks

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