Hello Sumantro,

I am fine, thank you. I hope you are doing well too. I am with Paul on this one. It was handled and has been in the past, and likely will in the future. The problem for us is the Editorial Board makes schedules for publishing/Editing/Reviewing/Image creation, etc... that are parts of all the articles. When something is dropped in at the 11th hour, it can create ... difficulties. I'd say 7 days would be perfect notice for us, and if the desire is to get it into the next publishing schedule, try to contact us before the Wednesday 0800 EST meeting time of that publish cycle. I know your world is likely very dynamic WRT the releases, so I do understand notice is not always there but please try harder. Best regards,

Stephen

On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 13:44 -0400, Paul Frields wrote:

Sumantro, what could be done to increase the advance notice for these announcements? It seems like this has become the rule rather than the exception.

Paul

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sumantro Mukherjee < sumukher@redhat.com> wrote:

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Hey All,

Hope everyone is doing well. I would like to request if someone can help me publish the Kernel 5.7 Test Week Announcement? The test week begins on Monday so, it will be great if someone can help me with this right away :)

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=31290&action=edit

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Maybe we should designate someone to handle these so there isn't a "scramble" to figure out who needs to do it? I'd be willing if they are as simple as they sound. My idea is that you would send the request directly to me rather than the list and then only if you don't get a response from me within 24 hours, you would send it to the list. Does that sound reasonable?

Also, to prevent these from bumping other articles around on the schedule, maybe we should only publish them on non-normal publishing days (i.e. not Monday, Wednesday, or Friday)?

Just a suggestion; there may be other concerns that I'm unaware of.

gb

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:49 PM Paul Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

Even a few days notice would be great. At worst we can keep doing what we have been, but it depends on someone to be around and able to react, and on the eve of a weekend that's not always possible. If we can avoid a scramble we should. On the other hand these articles are easier than most to push.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 4:13 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote:

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Hello Sumantro,

I am fine, thank you. I hope you are doing well too. I am with Paul on this one. It was handled and has been in the past, and likely will in the future. The problem for us is the Editorial Board makes schedules for publishing/Editing/Reviewing/Image creation, etc... that are parts of all the articles. When something is dropped in at the 11th hour, it can create ... difficulties. I'd say 7 days would be perfect notice for us, and if the desire is to get it into the next publishing schedule, try to contact us before the Wednesday 0800 EST meeting time of that publish cycle. I know your world is likely very dynamic WRT the releases, so I do understand notice is not always there but please try harder. Best regards,

Stephen

On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 13:44 -0400, Paul Frields wrote:

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Sumantro, what could be done to increase the advance notice for these announcements? It seems like this has become the rule rather than the exception.

Paul

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sumantro Mukherjee < sumukher@redhat.com> wrote:

...

Hey All,

Hope everyone is doing well. I would like to request if someone can help me publish the Kernel 5.7 Test Week Announcement? The test week begins on Monday so, it will be great if someone can help me with this right away :)

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=31290&action=edit

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I'm guessing the alternate would be whoever is on duty for that week -- assuming that we go with Ben's new system.

I think I'm pretty responsive (at least to email) as long as you are outside of the midnight to 9 AM CST time frame (even on weekends). A tardis would be nice though! :)

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:27 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote:

Greg's got a point about a single point of contact within the editorial circle so these announcements are always directed at the same one of us, and an alternate that would be needed for the what if's. I'm sure glb would need some slack in that regard, but maybe he has his own Tardis. Another of my 2 cents worth.

Stephen On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 17:41 -0500, Gregory Bartholomew wrote:

Maybe we should designate someone to handle these so there isn't a "scramble" to figure out who needs to do it? I'd be willing if they are as simple as they sound. My idea is that you would send the request directly to me rather than the list and then only if you don't get a response from me within 24 hours, you would send it to the list. Does that sound reasonable?

Also, to prevent these from bumping other articles around on the schedule, maybe we should only publish them on non-normal publishing days (i.e. not Monday, Wednesday, or Friday)?

Just a suggestion; there may be other concerns that I'm unaware of.

gb

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:49 PM Paul Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

Even a few days notice would be great. At worst we can keep doing what we have been, but it depends on someone to be around and able to react, and on the eve of a weekend that's not always possible. If we can avoid a scramble we should. On the other hand these articles are easier than most to push.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 4:13 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello Sumantro,

I am fine, thank you. I hope you are doing well too. I am with Paul on this one. It was handled and has been in the past, and likely will in the future. The problem for us is the Editorial Board makes schedules for publishing/Editing/Reviewing/Image creation, etc... that are parts of all the articles. When something is dropped in at the 11th hour, it can create ... difficulties. I'd say 7 days would be perfect notice for us, and if the desire is to get it into the next publishing schedule, try to contact us before the Wednesday 0800 EST meeting time of that publish cycle. I know your world is likely very dynamic WRT the releases, so I do understand notice is not always there but please try harder. Best regards,

Stephen

On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 13:44 -0400, Paul Frields wrote:

...

Sumantro, what could be done to increase the advance notice for these announcements? It seems like this has become the rule rather than the exception.

Paul

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sumantro Mukherjee < sumukher@redhat.com> wrote:

...

Hey All,

Hope everyone is doing well. I would like to request if someone can help me publish the Kernel 5.7 Test Week Announcement? The test week begins on Monday so, it will be great if someone can help me with this right away :)

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=31290&action=edit

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That's certainly fine with me. My only purpose there was to avoid any potential confusion that might arise if someone on the list were to mistakenly think the request was directed at them. Or to NOT think a request was directed at them in the case that I had failed to respond within 24 hours. With email, I guess the CC semantics *should* be clear enough.

As a side thought though, how does/would that work with the new "discuss" message system?

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:31 PM Paul Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

We should generally put everything on the list, but there's no reason the email can't go to you and cc the list; that works just as well!

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 7:38 PM Gregory Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:

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I'm guessing the alternate would be whoever is on duty for that week -- assuming that we go with Ben's new system.

I think I'm pretty responsive (at least to email) as long as you are outside of the midnight to 9 AM CST time frame (even on weekends). A tardis would be nice though! :)

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:27 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote:

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Greg's got a point about a single point of contact within the editorial circle so these announcements are always directed at the same one of us, and an alternate that would be needed for the what if's. I'm sure glb would need some slack in that regard, but maybe he has his own Tardis. Another of my 2 cents worth.

Stephen On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 17:41 -0500, Gregory Bartholomew wrote:

Maybe we should designate someone to handle these so there isn't a "scramble" to figure out who needs to do it? I'd be willing if they are as simple as they sound. My idea is that you would send the request directly to me rather than the list and then only if you don't get a response from me within 24 hours, you would send it to the list. Does that sound reasonable?

Also, to prevent these from bumping other articles around on the schedule, maybe we should only publish them on non-normal publishing days (i.e. not Monday, Wednesday, or Friday)?

Just a suggestion; there may be other concerns that I'm unaware of.

gb

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:49 PM Paul Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

Even a few days notice would be great. At worst we can keep doing what we have been, but it depends on someone to be around and able to react, and on the eve of a weekend that's not always possible. If we can avoid a scramble we should. On the other hand these articles are easier than most to push.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 4:13 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello Sumantro,

I am fine, thank you. I hope you are doing well too. I am with Paul on this one. It was handled and has been in the past, and likely will in the future. The problem for us is the Editorial Board makes schedules for publishing/Editing/Reviewing/Image creation, etc... that are parts of all the articles. When something is dropped in at the 11th hour, it can create ... difficulties. I'd say 7 days would be perfect notice for us, and if the desire is to get it into the next publishing schedule, try to contact us before the Wednesday 0800 EST meeting time of that publish cycle. I know your world is likely very dynamic WRT the releases, so I do understand notice is not always there but please try harder. Best regards,

Stephen

On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 13:44 -0400, Paul Frields wrote:

...

Sumantro, what could be done to increase the advance notice for these announcements? It seems like this has become the rule rather than the exception.

Paul

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sumantro Mukherjee < sumukher@redhat.com> wrote:

...

Hey All,

Hope everyone is doing well. I would like to request if someone can help me publish the Kernel 5.7 Test Week Announcement? The test week begins on Monday so, it will be great if someone can help me with this right away :)

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=31290&action=edit

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Likely we would have to create a category specifically for release publishing, as the editors would be admins, they would be able to set their notifications on categories to watch for changes/new posts. The release people would post there the title being the release name say, and Greg would get notified that a new post arrived in his watched category. At least that is how I think it would work. On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 22:56 -0400, Paul Frields wrote:

Good question. I don't experience with it but would love to know how that works. On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 10:45 PM Gregory Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:

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That's certainly fine with me. My only purpose there was to avoid any potential confusion that might arise if someone on the list were to mistakenly think the request was directed at them. Or to NOT think a request was directed at them in the case that I had failed to respond within 24 hours. With email, I guess the CC semantics *should* be clear enough. As a side thought though, how does/would that work with the new "discuss" message system? On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:31 PM Paul Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

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We should generally put everything on the list, but there's no reason the email can't go to you and cc the list; that works just as well! On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 7:38 PM Gregory Bartholomew < gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com> wrote:

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I'm guessing the alternate would be whoever is on duty for that week -- assuming that we go with Ben's new system. I think I'm pretty responsive (at least to email) as long as you are outside of the midnight to 9 AM CST time frame (even on weekends). A tardis would be nice though! :) On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:27 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote:

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Greg's got a point about a single point of contact within the editorial circle so these announcements are always directed at the same one of us, and an alternate that would be needed for the what if's. I'm sure glb would need some slack in that regard, but maybe he has his own Tardis. Another of my 2 cents worth. StephenOn Fri, 2020-06-19 at 17:41 -0500, Gregory Bartholomew wrote:

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Maybe we should designate someone to handle these so there isn't a "scramble" to figure out who needs to do it? I'd be willing if they are as simple as they sound. My idea is that you would send the request directly to me rather than the list and then only if you don't get a response from me within 24 hours, you would send it to the list. Does that sound reasonable? Also, to prevent these from bumping other articles around on the schedule, maybe we should only publish them on non- normal publishing days (i.e. not Monday, Wednesday, or Friday)?

Just a suggestion; there may be other concerns that I'm unaware of.

gb On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 4:49 PM Paul Frields < stickster@gmail.com> wrote: > Even a few days notice would be great. At worst we can > keep doing what we > > have been, but it depends on someone to be around and > able to react, and on > > the eve of a weekend that's not always possible. If we > can avoid a scramble > > we should. On the other hand these articles are easier > than most to push. > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 4:13 PM s40w5s@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Hello Sumantro, > > > > > > I am fine, thank you. I hope you are doing well too. > > > I am with Paul on this one. It was handled and has been > in the past, > > > and likely will in the future. The problem for us is > the Editorial > > > Board makes schedules for > publishing/Editing/Reviewing/Image creation, > > > etc... that are parts of all the articles. When > something is dropped in > > > at the 11th hour, it can create ... difficulties. I'd > say 7 days would > > > be perfect notice for us, and if the desire is to get > it into the next > > > publishing schedule, try to contact us before the > Wednesday 0800 EST > > > meeting time of that publish cycle. I know your world > is likely very > > > dynamic WRT the releases, so I do understand notice is > not always there > > > but please try harder. > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > On Fri, 2020-06-19 at 13:44 -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > > > > Sumantro, what could be done to increase the advance > notice for these > > > > announcements? It seems like this has become the rule > rather than the > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sumantro Mukherjee < > > > > sumukher@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone is doing well. I would like to > request if someone can > > > > > help me publish the > > > > > Kernel 5.7 Test Week Announcement? > > > > > The test week begins on Monday so, it will be great > if someone can > > > > > help me with this right away :) > > > > > > > > > > > https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=31290&action=edit > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > //sumantro > > > > > Fedora QE > > > > > TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- > magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > > magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > > > List Guidelines: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > > > List Archives: > > > > > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.o... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- > magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > > List Guidelines: > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > > List Archives: > > > > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.o... > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- > magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to > magazine-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.o... >

Definitely

+1 from me

Stephen

On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 09:29 +0530, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:

Hey Paul,

It all begins with jforbes filing a ticket [0] then I go ahead set up the bits. However, the test day images get uploaded ~1 day before the test day begins. I am wondering, if I can write up the template post and post it to this list, about an impending test day post.

would that be okay?

I am really sorry for all the editorial inconvenience that's caused

[0] https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/633

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:14 PM Paul Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

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Sumantro, what could be done to increase the advance notice for these announcements? It seems like this has become the rule rather than the exception.

Paul

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sumantro Mukherjee < sumukher@redhat.com> wrote:

...

Hey All,

Hope everyone is doing well. I would like to request if someone can help me publish the Kernel 5.7 Test Week Announcement? The test week begins on Monday so, it will be great if someone can help me with this right away :)

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=31290&action=edit

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